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Offended students find GOP bake sale tasteless - School threatens discipline
Grand Rapids Press ^ | 3/25/05

Posted on 03/25/2005 9:37:10 AM PST by KidGlock

Offended students find GOP bake sale tasteless

Friday, March 25, 2005

By Jennifer Ackerman-Haywood and Barton Deiters

The Grand Rapids Press

ALLENDALE --A white guy could buy a cupcake for $2 from the College Republicans' bake sale this week at Grand Valley State University. But prices dropped dramatically for other customers, based on race and gender.

The student group was willing to let the sweet treats go for 75 cents to blacks and white women, while it charged Asians and Hispanics 50 cents. The price for American Indians? Just a nickel.

The point, said organizer Kyle Rausch, was to challenge affirmative action policies that give preference to women and minorities.

If the goal was to draw attention rather than sell cupcakes, it worked. Rausch and his group sold only one cupcake and now could face disciplinary action for the stunt.

"The idea was to bring controversy," Rausch said, adding: "We were not in any way trying to mock affirmative action. If people walked by and were offended, that was not our intention."

So far, four students have filed complaints with GVSU's Student Life Office, and a misconduct review process is under way. Several people denounced the sale during a Student Senate meeting Thursday in Grand Rapids.

The university's student code states "Every aspect of University life should be free from discrimination ..."

If a nine-member review board of staff and students determines the College Republicans crossed the line, the group could be suspended and lose university funding and the privilege to meet on campus. It received $1,625 in university funds this year.

"You can have a discussion and bring awareness, but you can't go out and discriminate to make that happen," said Bob Stoll, director of Student Life. "They had poor judgment."

Several black students have demanded an apology, but Rausch said he doesn't intend to offer one, and that he'd do it the same way if he had it to do over again.

"It's nice that it can stimulate discussion," he said.

Similar sales have occurred on college campuses throughout the country, with administrators' responses ranging from eye-rolling disregard to official censure.

Student Kim Pierson said the issue is not affirmative action, but the fact that the College Republicans "crossed a bold line" that subjected students to blatant discrimination.

The Republicans had university permission to set up a table and sell baked goods as a group fund-raiser in the Kirkhof Center on the Allendale campus Monday. However, Stoll said the university did not approve the way the students went about the sale.

"To do something this offensive is not appropriate," Stoll said.

Ashley Chaney, a Grand Rapids junior and editor of Stand UP!, a campus newsletter serving black students, said the bake sale was offensive.

"If you're against affirmative action, that's fine, but you need to be respectful of other people," Chaney said.

Rausch said the sale was a form of free speech.

"It's an academic forum, and the university is going to try to stifle that," Rausch said. "If it's OK to get a cheaper education from a taxpayer subsidy, why isn't it OK to get cheaper food?"

This is not the first time the College Republicans have sparked a campus controversy. Last year, the group sponsored a campus talk by rocker Ted Nugent that offended some people.

Greg Paulsen, executive director of the College Democrats, said Rausch's actions were a cheap stunt that does nothing to foster debate.

"This is not leadership. It's attention-getting," Paulsen said,

Grand Valley administrators have made efforts to boost minority recruitment, but say they do not give admission preference based on race. All students must be academically qualified.

"Race is never a deciding factor," said Jodi Chycinski, GVSU's director of admissions.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: academia; affirmativeaction; bakesale; collegerepublicans; highereducation
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1 posted on 03/25/2005 9:37:11 AM PST by KidGlock
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To: KidGlock

The greatest crime against humanity is that someone would be *offended*. The Bill of Rights are suspended if anyone might be offended (I sound like Johnnie Cochran there, but that's sort of the way it is today).


2 posted on 03/25/2005 9:40:02 AM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: KidGlock

"Race is never a deciding factor," said Jodi Chycinski, GVSU's director of admissions



Never mind that the group's protest was about how much those admitted students had to pay to go to school, not whether they got in.


3 posted on 03/25/2005 9:40:06 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: KidGlock

"Race is never a deciding factor," said Jodi Chycinski, GVSU's director of admissions.




Of course it isn't,Jodi!


4 posted on 03/25/2005 9:40:51 AM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible".)
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To: KidGlock

It's time to move past these affirmative action bake sales. I suggest affirmative action car washes!


5 posted on 03/25/2005 9:41:30 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: KidGlock
These students were just trying to prove a point.

Judging just by the adverse reactions, I'd say the point has been proved.

6 posted on 03/25/2005 9:41:33 AM PST by C210N (-)
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To: KidGlock
More of the left trying desperately and despicably to silence TRUTH!
7 posted on 03/25/2005 9:42:35 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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What a brilliant idea. Really, show everyone what affirmative action really is.


8 posted on 03/25/2005 9:43:47 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: KidGlock

More left-wing hypocricy. The first amendment somehow guarantees Ward Churchil the right to $90,000 dollar salary and the right to tell impressionable students to launch terrorist attacks against the US, but it does not guarantee conservatives the right to make a political statement in a public space.


9 posted on 03/25/2005 9:45:35 AM PST by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KidGlock
The university's student code states "Every aspect of University life should be free from discrimination ..."?

I guess that doesn't apply to the Admissions office, exactly the point they were trying to make.

10 posted on 03/25/2005 9:46:49 AM PST by WBurgVACon
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To: KidGlock
These bake sales always point out the irony... if a leftist says something that offends conservatives and/or religious folks, then it's a case of that being the type of speech most in need of 1st Amendment protection. When the shoe is on the other foot, it's "inappropriate", "offensive", and "discriminating".

If these guys get censored and/or censured, they should make sure they have someone showing up at every public appearance by campus leftists, to document their speech that is offensive. Then see what happens when they complain about it. If the university applies a double-standard, then I'd say sue them for reinstatement, just to make a point.

11 posted on 03/25/2005 9:46:52 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: KidGlock
We were not in any way trying to mock affirmative action.

Why not?

12 posted on 03/25/2005 9:46:58 AM PST by Drango (All my ideas, good or bad, are stolen from other FReepers)
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To: C210N

"Every aspect of University life should be free from discrimination ..."


Such a moronic statement. Those against discrimination discriminate against those who are for discrimination.


13 posted on 03/25/2005 9:47:27 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: KidGlock

So they wouldn't have been offended if blacks had been charged MORE than the whites?


14 posted on 03/25/2005 9:47:31 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: KidGlock

This happened at UC Irvine as well. Liberals have no sense of humor. Nor do they get the connection: Affirmative Action is racist.


16 posted on 03/25/2005 9:48:18 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: KidGlock

I have a problem with the pricing. The Asian cake price should be at least as high as that charged for whites. A lot of colleges appear to be over-quota with high-achieving Asians and aren't cutting them any preferential breaks.


17 posted on 03/25/2005 9:49:55 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KidGlock

"Student Kim Pierson said the issue is not affirmative action, but the fact that the College Republicans "crossed a bold line" that subjected students to blatant discrimination."

"Affirmative action" as practiced today (not as an outreach program as originally intended) subjects students to "blatant discrimination."


18 posted on 03/25/2005 9:50:48 AM PST by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: KidGlock
This story appears every year at least once. And has for the last 5 years at least.
The only thing that changes (maybe) is the location.
19 posted on 03/25/2005 9:52:58 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: WBurgVACon
Ashley Chaney, a Grand Rapids junior and editor of Stand UP!, a campus newsletter serving black students, said the bake sale was offensive.

Or a newsletter that I am sure is funded by the University.

20 posted on 03/25/2005 9:54:08 AM PST by Sthitch
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To: KidGlock

"If a nine-member review board of staff and students determines the College Republicans crossed the line, the group could be suspended and lose university funding and the privilege to meet on campus. It received $1,625 in university funds this year."




The local county GOP should be able to get them more money than that!

The best thing for them would be to meet off campus and get more money...their membership would climb!

So they should not back down at all.


21 posted on 03/25/2005 9:57:45 AM PST by ArmyBratproud (<img src="http://www.959theranch.com/images/firstpage/95/LeDoux%20Banner%202.JPG">)
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To: KidGlock
I love these things. Absolutely hysterical. I would have done the bake sale combined with a break down of what the average student pays based on race. Probably can't get that from the school though :/
22 posted on 03/25/2005 9:58:32 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: KidGlock

I think these Bake Sales are a brilliant idea.

Would it drive the point home more effectively if people had to pass an 'intelligence test' of some sort, in order to be 'rewarded' with a cupcake?

Are racial quotas really about money when it comes to getting into college? Isn't Affirmative Action's main goal to selectively lower the standards for certain races?

(Just asking. I really don't know a whole lot about the situation.)


23 posted on 03/25/2005 9:59:32 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: dfwgator

I am confused about this. Why are they offended they are getting a cheaper cup cake? I would love that. How is this OFFENSIVE?

I read something that woman and blacks pay more for a car than white males. Maybe because we are not afraid to negotiate? They were OFFENDED that they were paying more.


24 posted on 03/25/2005 10:02:43 AM PST by Holicheese (This is Hockey East)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I think these Bake Sales are a brilliant idea.

What would make them even better is if the organizers made sure that multiple ethnicities were represented as the sellers.

(This would really p.o. the libs.)


26 posted on 03/25/2005 10:06:04 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: KidGlock
Wouldn't the students running the bake sale be better served by selling the goods at the same price, yet making clear via signage that under affirmative action the prices would be as shown?

That way, it would clearly be a freedom of speech issue rather than a discriminatory one.

27 posted on 03/25/2005 10:06:21 AM PST by kaboom
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To: KidGlock; Mo1; Txsleuth; WestTexasWend; txradioguy; SerpentDove; Howlin; cyncooper; Quilla; ...

At the Univ. of North Texas, The Young Conservatives did an immigration event. People in orange t-shirts that had something like..../I'm an illegal immigrant' printed on them would go off on campus.

Other students could go get a button that said they were taking part in the program to track them down....

Kinda like a border patrol.

If they caught one of the people wearing the orange t-shirts....they could bring them back to the table and get a free candy bar.

It made the papers.

THE PROBLEM IS---the chairperson of the Denton County GOP, who has not been that good (Lincoln Day Dinner-biggest fund raiser- was an example of that this year), seems to want to distant the Denton GOP from the Young Conservatives.

She'll back the Young Republicans, many of which are in the Young Conservatives, but she seems to run from the Young Conservatives.

She is weak.


28 posted on 03/25/2005 10:06:25 AM PST by ArmyBratproud (<img src="http://www.959theranch.com/images/firstpage/95/LeDoux%20Banner%202.JPG">)
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To: KidGlock

The smart minorities and women should have bought their cupcakes at the discount, and then pocketed a tidy profit by reselling them to hungry white guys at price below the original sellers "white guys price". White guys may not have been eager to buy from the "racist" vendors, but would have rushed to show their support for minorities and women (and for lower priced cupcakes) by supporting the fledgling women- and minority-owned businesses.


29 posted on 03/25/2005 10:06:31 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: AnotherOldMan
oooh there's a twist. You can't really complain about selling university money when the university does the same thing :)
30 posted on 03/25/2005 10:07:22 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: KidGlock
"Every aspect of University life should be free from discrimination ..."

No one has ever escaped from Stalag 13 !!!!
31 posted on 03/25/2005 10:07:35 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

That's how it works in the real world. I have worked as a sub-contractor for minority owned business that could get set aside government work that I as a white male could not. The black owner had no idea how to do the job, so he just sub'ed it out to me. We were both happy and both made some money, but we also both knew that it was farce.


32 posted on 03/25/2005 10:17:14 AM PST by tickmeister
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To: KidGlock

Well of course they were offended!!!

The women and minorities should have gotten FREE cupcakes and Whitey should have been paying a c-note. Duh!?


33 posted on 03/25/2005 10:21:19 AM PST by subterfuge
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To: KidGlock

I have looked and cannot find the "unless you offend a liberal" exception anywhere in the First Amendment.


34 posted on 03/25/2005 10:21:23 AM PST by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: kennedy
It's right next to the separation of church and state clause.
35 posted on 03/25/2005 10:22:49 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: KidGlock
These students should have known better than to try to engage in free speech on a college campus. Those places keep a tight lid on independent thought.

gitmo

36 posted on 03/25/2005 10:23:52 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: tfecw
It's right next to the separation of church and state clause.

That's strange. I can't find that one in there either. My copy of the Constitution is also missing the "right to an abortion" and "right to sodomy" clauses. It must be defective.

37 posted on 03/25/2005 10:30:35 AM PST by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: gitmo

"Hey you guys there's no thinking here, this is a college."


38 posted on 03/25/2005 10:31:19 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: KidGlock; Dan from Michigan

Following the interview, the GVSU president invited reporters to view the crucifix in a jar of urine display in the art building.


39 posted on 03/25/2005 10:34:43 AM PST by Larry Lucido (We miss ya, Indie! Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc)
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To: KidGlock

Shouldn't the white males be the ones complaining? Everyone else pays less.


40 posted on 03/25/2005 10:36:36 AM PST by Larry Lucido (We miss ya, Indie! Law Enforcement Against Prohibition - http://www.leap.cc)
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To: kennedy
Ahh i see this is the copy you want, or don't want.

www.DemactricUndergroud.com/madeup/personalagendas/mockeries/Constitution.html

brought to you by these guys:

www.MinsiteryOfTruth.gov/PC/ReWritingHistory/DoubleThink/constitution.html
41 posted on 03/25/2005 10:37:49 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: KidGlock

so feminist study seminars which bash men and the paternalist governemnt are ok?

Universities are becoming useless.

IF anything a degree in a PC subject is an indication a person is unqualified for ANY employment.


42 posted on 03/25/2005 10:41:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: kennedy
That's strange. I can't find that one in there either. My copy of the Constitution is also missing the "right to an abortion" and "right to sodomy" clauses. It must be defective.

You need to "upgrade" to the "Penumbras and Emanations" version the USSC uses.

43 posted on 03/25/2005 10:43:52 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: Larry Lucido

shhhhh its a secret.


44 posted on 03/25/2005 10:44:23 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: kennedy

You need the Foreign Judicial Decisions Addendum that only the SCOTUS has access too.


45 posted on 03/25/2005 10:59:02 AM PST by rock58seg (It is necessary that politicians become aware there are consequences to stupid legislation.)
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To: KidGlock

"Ashley Chaney, a Grand Rapids junior and editor of Stand UP!, a campus newsletter serving black students, said the bake sale was offensive."

Fascinating how the black students find themselves so different from the other students on campus that they have a need for their own newsletter. Some people apparently think they are quite special.

What did the folks over at the campus newsletter serving white students think? Oh, there's not one? OK, thanks.


46 posted on 03/25/2005 11:03:15 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: KidGlock
Student Kim Pierson said the issue is not affirmative action, but the fact that the College Republicans "crossed a bold line" that subjected students to blatant discrimination.

Isn't it ridiculous when the bold line is a cupcake? These folks have no idea what discrimination really is anymore.

47 posted on 03/25/2005 11:03:30 AM PST by Ruth A.
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To: subterfuge

"The women and minorities should have gotten FREE cupcakes and Whitey should have been paying a c-note. Duh!?"

Can someone tell me what kind of college admissions advantage white women are getting these days? I know about the "women owned business" nonsense, but don't have the impression that colleges are lowering admissions standards for women like they are for blacks, hispanics, and other ethinic minorities (except asians; we can discriminate against them, apparently, because they are a successful minority group.)


48 posted on 03/25/2005 11:03:44 AM PST by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: KidGlock
If these lefties stopped complaining they could buy the cupcakes on the cheap and sell them to us white males for $1.50 and make a profit.
49 posted on 03/25/2005 11:05:17 AM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: Altamira

RPI pays women and blacks to go to come to the school. I had a good time funding education for everyone buy myself on a federal level and a university level. Fun fun fun.


50 posted on 03/25/2005 11:06:39 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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