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Iranian Alert - March 26, 2005 - Why does Iran want Cruise Missiles?
Regime Change Iran ^ | 3.26.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 03/26/2005 3:13:27 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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Why Iran wants Cruise Missiles?

On 28 January 2005, Ukranian parliamentarian Hryhoriy Omelchenko issued an open letter to President Viktor Yushchenko that Ukraine had illegally sold cruise missiles to Iran. It's was a credible report, which names dates, names, the bank accounts, fictitious shell companies that were set up to extradite the transfer of money from Iran. Plus there was collaborating evidence to this whole affair. He refered to a paper company set up in Cyprus to channel money for the missiles.

Anti-corruption lawmaker Omelchenko was a ranking State Secret Services (SBU) officer and a deputy belonging to Yulia Tymoshenko's parliament faction. Omelchenko is the past head of the parliament's committee on combating organized crime and corruption and is also the Head of the Temporary Committee on Investigating the Murder of Georgiy Gongadze. He has requested that the Attorney General arrest Leonid Kuchma for his involvement with the murder of Internet journalist Heorhiy Gongadze.

On 18 March 2005 "Financial Times" newspaper of Britain reported that Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Svyatoslav Piskun had stated that Ukraine exported 12 cruise missiles to Iran and six to China in 2001. Piskun told the paper that none of the 18 X-55 cruise missiles (also known as Kh-55 or AS-15) was exported with the nuclear warheads they were designed to carry.

The newspaper said it was the first confirmation by a Ukrainian government official that the exports took place. The the X-55 has a range of 3,000 kilometers, more than enough to reach Israel from Iran. The US embassy in Kyiv is closely monitoring the investigation and wanted the findings of a reported secret trial over the missile exports to be made public.

The missiles themselves were not in very good shape, according to one US official. They were diverted from Soviet stocks left behind when the Ukraine declared its independence in 1991.

Prosecutors said the missiles were sold illegally, and were not exported by Ukrainian enterprises. Export documents known as end-user certificates recorded the recipient of the 20 Kh55 missiles as "Russia's Defense Ministry."

A government investigation into illicit weapons sales by officials loyal to former President Leonid Kuchma, who left office in January 2005, led to secret indictments or arrests arms dealers accused of selling missiles to Iran and China. At least three people were arrested and another three were indicted last year in connection with the illicit arms trade.

In 2000 Russian national Oleg Orlov and a Ukrainian partner identified as E.V. Shilenko exported 20 Kh55 cruise missiles through a fake contract and end-user certificate with Russia's state-run arms dealer and with a firm called Progress, a subsidiary company of Ukrspetseksport -- Ukraine's arms export agency. Orlov was detained 13 July 2004 in the Czech Republic, and as of early 2005 an extradition procedure was under way to return him to Ukraine for prosecution. Orlov and his partners were suspected of providing Iran with maintenance equipment and technicians to service the Kh-55 missiles.

Prosecutor General Svyatoslav Piskun was chief prosecutor under Kuchma and retained his job after Yushchenko, a Kuchma opponent, came to power in January 2005. Legislator Hrihoriy Omelchenko dismissed the statement by prosecutors as a "political trick" by Piskun to keep his post in the face of calls by pro-Yushchenko legislators for his resignation.

Lawyer Bogdan Ferents defends in court the sole defendant in the case on the sale of the missiles, director-general of the company Ukrainaviazakaz Vladimir Yevdokimov. The Kh-55 cruise missiles delivered by Ukraine to Iran and China in 1999-2001 "are not weapons", Ferents said, adding that the missiles were not complete with parts.

The missiles delivered to third countries were manufactured in 1987, and had a service life of eight years. The lawyer maintained that storage of the missile did not meet standards since 1992. Former Air Force commander Viktor Strelnikov and specialists who examined the missiles said that they were marked with the inscription "training".

Jane's Intelligence Digest, published on 18 March 2005, noted: "There is no doubt that the sale of the missiles to Iran and China could only have taken place with the knowledge and cooperation of senior Ukrainian officials. ... there is ... mounting evidence to suggest that the sale of missiles to Iran was undertaken with the assistance of the Russian security services."

Why Does Iran Want Cruise Missiles?

The half-dozen missiles sold to China are consistent with a Chinese interest in reverse-engineering these weapons to provide technical input into China's ongoing efforts to develop long range cruise missiles. But Iran is not known to have a long range cruise missile development program, and the dozen missiles aquired by Iran suggest the possibility that Iran hoped to equip these missiles with nuclear warheads, once Iran completed its atomic weaponization program.

Press reports noted that while Iran does not operate long-range bombers, it was believed that Tehran could adapt its Soviet-built Su-24 strike aircraft to launch the missile. But this totally misunderstands the multiple launch modes of this missile, which can also be launched from ships or from land based truck launchers. These later modes are certainly the ones relevant to Iran. The Soviet sea and ground launched versions of the missile had a small solid rocket motor that would boost the missile to cruising speed, and Iran would have to make some provisions to replicate this equipment. Such small motors would seem well within the reach of Iran's capability base.

Long range cruise missiles tipped with atomic bombs would provide an attractive capability for attacking Israel. It may be imagined that an Iranian atomic bomb would be somewhat larger and heavier than the Soviet nuclear charge the missile was initially designed to carry, but no so much larger as to preclude installation in the missile's nose. Absent unavailable data on Iranian atomic bomb characteristics, some reduction in the Kh-55's 2,500-3,000 km range would be anticipated, but not so much as to preclude reaching Israel at a distance of less than 1,500 km.

While Israel has invested considerable effort in developing the Arrow anti-missile system for countering Iran's ballistic missiles, Israeli capbilities to counter low-flying cruise missiles are less well developed. The X-55 cruise missile is much smaller than the Shehab 3, and consequently could be mounted on a much smaller launching truck, making it easier for the launcher garrison to evade detection.

Unlike a ballistic missile, it is hard to detect a cruise missile when it is launched. The KH-55 flies at medium altitude for the first part of its flight. Cruise missiles can fly at low altitude and weave in between mountain ranges to minimise the risk of detection. They are much more difficult for SAMs and other air defences to track or attempt to engage. The only way to effectively deal with cruise missiles is to use AWACS to guide in fighters. Even then its hard for the fighters' AAMs to engage the missiles. Trying to intercept cruise missiles over land is a difficult challenge for the defending side.

Basic computer maps used for navigation can be compiled from information bought from most countries with operational satellite systems. With the inflight navigation fixes periodically throughout its flight this would be good enough for a 1,500 km flight. With a simple low powered altimeter radio system it could avoid the ground quite easily.

With converted civilian planes, Iran could possibly launch these missiles from the middle of the Atlantic to hit the United States. This might require some fancy engineering on the part of Iran. The missiles could be mounted on launchers slung under the wings of a heavy cargo plane such as an IL-76, but Iran only has one such airplane in military service. Low-wing commercial aircraft would not provide sufficient ground clearance for such an installation. In principle commercial passenger aircraft could be modified with a bomb-bay, but the structural modifications required would be rather heroic.

A more attractive alternative might consist of arming small ships with single cruise missiles. The modifications required to launch such a small missile would easily escape detection.

Iran's merchant marine fleet is controlled by the state shipping company Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL). It serves now two container services from the port of Bender-e Abbas. One of them goes on a 30-day loop to East Asia, the other reaches Europe via the Suez in 22 days.

In 2003 it was estimated that Iran's merchant marine consisted of 130 ships (1,000 GRT or over) totaling 4,715,242 GRT / 8,240,069 DWT. This was composed of 40 bulk, 36 cargo, 3 chemical tankers, 7 container, 1 liquefied gas tanker, 5 multifunction large-load carrier, 33 petroleum tankers, 8 roll-on/roll-off cargo, 1 short-sea passenger, and 10 other ships registered in other countries.

Iran's merchant marine fleet is doing relatively well, but the average age of 40% of its vessels is over 20 years, which makes it rather unfit for international competition. In October 2001 an agreement for manufacturing six ships was signed with Germany. The ships will be constructed with a total investment of $188 million in Bandar Abbas under German supervision.

Iran Shipbuilding and Offshore Industries Complex [ISOICO] is a qualified Iranian company, active as shipbuilder and shiprepairer of different types of vessels and contractor of offshore structures. It operates from a production premises on the Persian Gulf (37 km west Bandar Abbas City), shipping to any location offshore or onshore.

The activity of the Company started in the early 1990s as a workshop and a yard. The experience gained in this operation enabled the company to enlarge its sphere of activity to plants and mechanical plant components, then to multidisciplinary projects. Although the offshore experiences is short but ISOICO has played an important role in offshore market, constructing in its Bandar Abbas Yard.

ISOICO shipyard is capable of constructing any type of vessel up to about 4 x 80,000 DWT per year on its existing building berths mainly bulk carrier, containership and oil product carrier using advance technology, which after accomplishing the development in process (i.e. two Dry Docks) the constructing capability will increase for the vessel up to about 2 x 300,000 DWT VLCC or 2 x 140,000 m3 LNG carrier per year in addition to the existing capacity.

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1 posted on 03/26/2005 3:13:41 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 03/26/2005 3:15:50 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

Definitely for use against Israel.


3 posted on 03/26/2005 3:21:16 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Why dose Iran want Cruise Missles?

Maybe they want to kill Terri Schiavo.


Sorry.


4 posted on 03/26/2005 3:30:42 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Everyone thinks Iran's cruise missiles are for carrying nukes. Maybe.
I think they're for carrying bio/chem warheads.
5 posted on 03/26/2005 3:33:48 PM PST by StormEye
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To: DoctorZIn

Bump!


6 posted on 03/26/2005 3:38:21 PM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: StormEye

IMO they are for carrying whatever Iran has to put on them.


7 posted on 03/26/2005 3:45:11 PM PST by OK
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To: Mrs Mark

Actually, an Iranian friend asked me, "Why are you killing that woman in Florida?" "Why doesn't Pres. Bush stop that?"

That's the 'take' from an outsider. Hard questions to answer and try to explain, too.


8 posted on 03/26/2005 4:21:15 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert
That's the 'take' from an outsider. Hard questions to answer and try to explain, too.

Short answer, the Constitution limits the power of the government.

Her family, legally that is her husband, made a decision, (Glad I'm not in his shoes.), and because we are a nation of laws, we have to live within them, even if it seems to stink sometimes.

9 posted on 03/26/2005 4:33:20 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

Sure, sounds easy. But the person recognizes that what the State is doing is Killing one of it's innocent citizens. They recognized it as State sponsored murder. Which it is. And that doesn't go over real big in Iran.


10 posted on 03/26/2005 4:36:41 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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11 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:12 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert
Sure, sounds easy. But the person recognizes that what the State is doing is Killing one of it's innocent citizens. They recognized it as State sponsored murder. Which it is. And that doesn't go over real big in Iran.

An Islamic state / society that stones women to death for being raped is concerned about killing innocent people?

The State is not killing Terri. I wish she would wake up just as much as anyone. The government does not have the power to interfere with the judgment of the husband. He could of avoided this situation by having one last cat-scan done to answer everyones concerns.

12 posted on 03/26/2005 4:49:54 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

"An Islamic state / society that stones women to death for being raped is concerned about killing innocent people? "

Society didn't ask me, a friend did. But the friend is representative of the majority of Iranians in Iran today.

Maybe you don't read the Iran threads much. The vast majority of Iranians want a secular, democratic type gov't. They hate the mullahs, and the stoning, and the lashing, and the torture and the killing.


13 posted on 03/26/2005 4:57:10 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert
The vast majority of Iranians want a secular, democratic type gov't. They hate the mullahs, and the stoning, and the lashing, and the torture and the killing.

Well if the majority want a secular government what are they waiting for? I wish them luck. My view is Iran was rapidly moving to the modern world, under the Shaw, and that led the hard liners to revolt. Again If the Iranians want freedom, they are going to have to realize Israel is not the cause of their problems, it's the dictatorship they support.

14 posted on 03/26/2005 5:22:25 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

The Iranian people don't think Israel is the cause of their problems. That's the mullahs.
And the vast majority of the people DO NOT support the government.


15 posted on 03/26/2005 5:31:15 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

I wanted to make a comment on the cruise missles, but first I want to digress a little (well, more than a little, I guess) :

In regards to this shameful Terri Schiavo deal-

1) The most troubling thing is that her husband does not seem to have had her best interests are heart, ever. And that's the nicest, most polite way I can put it.

2) Just as troubling is that she isn't brain dead (though that's what Dean called Republicans last week!), nor in a vegetative state, from what I see from the great amount I've read. Even if you disagree, I must point out there there is not consensus opinion. Yes, she is most definitely heavily disabled. But shouldn't we err on the side of life, like the President says? I have major problems with the elements of the government in this country effectively ruling that some people don't have the right to live. This introduces the slippery slope of where the division of mercy and murder is.

3) For our Iranian friends, this is actually good in a very perverse way. In a democracy, no one has absolute power. The governor and the President, brothers united, are powerless to stop her death. A lesson in democracy.



OK, I'll move on to the cruise missles. I apologize for the way off-topic remarks. But since I was already discussed previously, I just thought I'd share my two cents (with my tie-in to Iran)...

Iran probably originally intended to use the cruise missles with nuclear warheads. But I don't believe that they will used that way. If Iran ever uses them, I believe the warheads will consist of conventional high-explosives. I believe that Iran, if they ever use them, will use them to try to sink the ships blockading Iran, hopefully later this summer or fall. Should they succeed in sinking a US Navy ship, I can only pray that Bush will remain cool enough not to attack Iran. True, it would be an act of war, but so is the blockade. The blockade is infinitely more destructive than a bombing raid on an Iranian military installation. This reminds me of World War II, near the end, when we closing in on Japan in early 1945, as I recall. American ships were constantly being blown up by the Japanese as we were building up our forces in the region, as I remember. The point is, we had more ships there than the Japanese could blow up with their kamakize pilots. Iran probably has the firepower to sink the entire blockading fleet (torpedoes, cruise missles, USS Cole-style attacks). We just have to stop enough of them, and be able to tough it out long enough. And have enough ships there.

We've proven in Iraq that Americans, contrary to prior Middle-Eastern opinion, are able to take casualties when their leaders and politicians let them. Perhaps we'll prove it again in Iran. American failures in war are very rarely the actual warrior's faults. It is their leaders. We won WWII because for the most part, American leaders were resolved to win the war, no matter what the cost (such as nearly a half-million American deaths). However, in the postwar era, that has often not been the case. But not in Iraq, fortunately. Bush could have pulled out of Iraq a year ago and probably won re-election more comfortably, but he didn't.


16 posted on 03/26/2005 6:54:00 PM PST by JWojack (Faster please.)
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To: DoctorZIn; nuconvert

I have a question. Let's assume the EU-led negotiations on Iranian nukes are failing and we have to take action. We bomb all known Iranian nuclear related sites to try and set back the Iranian fuel enrichment programs, etc. In the process we kill a few hundred seemingly innocent Iranian civilians. What will the reaction be on the streets of Teheran and throughout the rest of Iran?


17 posted on 03/26/2005 7:08:46 PM PST by fiftymegaton
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To: fiftymegaton

That's hard to answer. I think it might depend on what leads up to it.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that.


18 posted on 03/26/2005 8:40:52 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Well IMO at this point it seems to be a very likely option(even if it's a year from now) if not THE most likely option. I don't see how the negotiations can be successful and we certainly can't let Iran get the bomb which they are desperately trying to manufacture. Bombing their nuclear facilities will undoubtably kill hundreds of innocents as some of the nuclear sites are reported to be dug in under residential areas. This may be the reason we haven't done it already because we know we would kill hundreds of civilians and we know doing so might change the political scenario in the country by driving more support to the mullahs and stifling the democracy movement. If this is the case then we need a massive covert program setup to help the pro-democracy forces in Iran. Enough so that they can topple the government within 12-18 months. Also if we are ruling out bombing the nuclear facilities then I hope the massive covert operation is already underway.


19 posted on 03/26/2005 9:39:38 PM PST by fiftymegaton
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To: DoctorZIn

To use against American troops in Iraq next door. Israel is a tempting target, but the US is a much larger threat. To test this idea just ask where they are sending their suicide bombers now, Iraq or Israel?


20 posted on 03/27/2005 5:29:25 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Mrs Mark

Murder is the business of all gov't.


21 posted on 03/27/2005 8:48:19 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

First, the Iranian regime will be collapsed by a combination of the Iranian people rising up, and the upcoming US Navy blockade. Of course, the blockade may not prove to be necessary. But the blockade guarentees success.

Second, I support strikes on Iran ONLY if there is no option, and it is either lots of Americans or Jews die, or a relatively small amount of Iranians die. We need to hold off on military strikes even past the panic stage. Maybe even threaten Israel a bit to keep them from doing anything rash. The blockade will work. It may take the better part of a month, but it'll work.

Third, if Iran bombs someone with a nuclear bomb, it is my hope that Bush would bomb (nulcear) Iran within 72 hours, in such a way that would immediately collapse the regime. Thed world must know that using WMD's, most especially nuclear weapons, is absolutely unacceptable. Bombing Tehran would collapse the regime, yet the hatred of American would be transferred from the dead mullahs to all of the people of Iran, I believe. So maybe some other target. Perhaps the best option might be a tactical nuclear strike that could target just a section of Tehran where the ruling mullahs are. Though, they might disperse in advance, knowing this option. I don't think that the mullah's strategy for survival will be a Saddam-type insurgency, but they may very well attempt a nuclear strike, because it could prove difficult to immediately decapitate the regime due to the regime's advance planning, and the fear that Iran may have more nuclear warheads at their disposal.

And finally, well, Iran is simultaneously attacking both Israel and Iraq witgh suicide bombers. True, since the demise of Arafat, things have really become peaceful. The Palestinian people themselves are becoming anti-terror. I remember reading in January or February that when a terror group bombed Israel, the Palestinian people were protesting. They are waking up to the fact that terror doesn't pay when your enemy is stedfast in its resolve. In my opinion, Ariel Sharon on defense matters at least has been great. Because he is not only fighting terror, but also doesn't do everything that Bush tells him to, even though the American government gives something like $2B in foreign aid to Israel each year.

Iran has many organizations that it pays and contributes to, it can carry out multiple operations simultaneously. And with all that oil revenue coming in, they basically have as much money as they need.

The reason that Iran has been fighting Iraq's complete liberation and democratization is that they don't want that. Democracy is a poison to them. The Iraqi government is certainly more pro-American than pro-Iranian. Although their are allegations that some members of the Shi'ite Alliance are basically Iranian operatives, yet the Iraqi government will never be anything like Iran's theocracy.

The ideal situation for Iran would be for the Americans to topple Saddam Hussein, then pull out once the insurgency began raging. We didn't pull out, and the war is now nearly won. The last thing Iran wants is to be surrounded by American forces (Afghanistan and Iraq), particularly now. They feel they are invulerable to American military might as long as the Americans are bleeding and dying in Iraq. Well, the bleeding has now slowed to a mere trickle. And there is the US Navy that we must not forget about.

Consider these facts on Iraq:

American casualities are down 40% in the last month.
American casualities are down nearly 70% since the January 30th election.
American casualities are at their lowest point since April-May, 2003.

Something near 250 insurgents were killed or captured in Iraq in just the last week. Not to mention vast amounts of deadly weapons were taken out of terrorist's hands.

We are definitely winning the war on terror. The war against the insurgents in Iraq is nearly won (even the NY Times admitted exactly this in a headline last week!). Once Iran, Syria, and Lebanon flip later this year, the Middle East will be dramatically different.

We will still have the problems of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Yet, I believe that if the modern Islamo-terror movement will continue to exist as we know it today, it will have to shift to Europe, I think. True, the money will probably keep coming in from Saudi Arabian citizens and others around the Middle East. Yet for terrorist training camps, and sanctuary, I think the former Soviet republics are probably their best chance of survival. But I think in a few years, Islamic terror will be far less potent than it is today, or was for the past several years. It will not be wiped out any time soon, but I believe it can be greatly diminished.

Of course, we must not forget the Asian countries of concern, such as North Korea, Phillipines, Indonesia, etc.

We are not really fighting against Islamists, as we are against people of tyranny and oppression. Saddam Hussein, Bashar Assad, and Kim Jong-il aren't Muslims. When horrible things are doing in the name of religion, the religion they cite is usually just a cover for their activities. Just like Hezbollah may insist that they build hospitals and schools, and not bombs.


22 posted on 03/27/2005 11:29:55 AM PST by JWojack (Faster please.)
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23 posted on 03/27/2005 12:51:43 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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