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Military warns all bases of HIV case; Canadian soldiers around world told to seek medical advice
TORONTO STAR.COM ^ | MARCH 27, 2005 | ISABEL TEOTONIO

Posted on 03/26/2005 6:53:26 PM PST by CHARLITE

Jennifer Murphy was known for her promiscuity.

But the 31-year-old woman arrested earlier this month after she was accused of knowingly spreading the virus that causes AIDS — by having unprotected sex with a soldier — was also known to neighbours as a polite and well-mannered woman, friendly and average.

Now military investigators are trying to reconcile the two faces of the woman they've held in custody since March 2, even as they're warning Canadian soldiers around the world to seek medical advice if they suspect they've been involved in the scandal that's roiling Canadian Forces Base Borden, 20 kilometres southwest of Barrie.

Murphy, who has lived both in Newfoundland and Ontario, was arrested at CFB Borden and charged with two counts of aggravated assault after allegedly engaging in unprotected sex with a soldier, without informing him she was HIV-positive.

Military investigators fear there are others, part of a military culture where many say casual sex is common, who may have had unprotected sex with Murphy.

In fact, when investigators from the military's National Investigation Service (NIS) first questioned Murphy, it had more to do with her hanging around the singles' residences on base than with HIV or AIDS.

"They got her on trespassing because she'd been in the shacks," said a soldier at Borden, referring to the local name for singles' quarters. "During her time here she went through all the shacks," the soldier said, adding she'd seen Murphy wandering through the halls of one of the quarters, going from room to room dressed in only a pink G-string and knee-high boots.

Capt. Mark Giles, an NIS investigator, confirmed yesterday that Murphy was being questioned on a "minor, unrelated matter," when she volunteered she was HIV-positive and gave them the name of a soldier she'd been with.

Giles said investigators then questioned the young private, leading to criminal charges against Murphy. She remains in custody at Penetanguishene's superjail, awaiting bail proceedings in Barrie next week.

Many of those who knew Murphy before her arrest say they can't believe the mother of a teenage son is involved.

Mike Penney, who has known Murphy since she moved into the yellow clapboard row house next door to him in St. John's more than 20 years ago, described her as "an average girl.

"The Jennifer I knew was polite and well-behaved," Penney said, adding he — like most of her friends — knew she had AIDS.

Murphy has told friends that she acquired HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, in 1991-92, and said the man who infected her did so knowingly.

"If she's done these things that they said she's done, then I can only suspect that maybe the virus is messing with her brain," Penney said.

A friend in Toronto said she was upset by the allegations against Murphy.

"It's disgusting everybody's taking one side, it's totally false," said the friend, who identified herself as Andrea.

Murphy, she said, "is a wonderful mother, a wonderful human being, dedicated and faithful wife, and dedicated in the community. She's like a sister."

Murphy's friends and neighbours at the sprawling military base outside Barrie also say they remember her, in the words of a close neighbour, as "friendly and normal."

She was living in Angus, Ont., when she met a soldier at CFB Borden, taking a mechanic's course. They dated briefly and decided to marry to meet military regulations and live together on the base.

When Murphy's husband completed his course, he was posted to CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick. They moved away in June 2004.

Many said they didn't recognize the woman who returned to Borden at the end of February to visit friends.

One close friend, who asked not to be identified, was stunned by the transformation, which he said was like "night and day." When he confronted Murphy on her erratic behaviour, she explained she'd forgotten her medication in Newfoundland.

It was that side of Murphy military investigators confronted March 2, after she had allegedly propositioned soldiers at Borden, home to some 3,200 teaching and support staff. The base, about two hours north of Toronto, sees some 15,000 soldiers, sailors and air personnel pass through annually for training.

It's that transient traffic that has military investigators and health officials concerned.

In an emergency message sent Thursday to Canadian Forces personnel worldwide, military investigators ask to speak to "anyone who believes they may have had sexual contact with this woman," and advise them to consult a doctor immediately.

Giles characterized the warning as "an extra precaution."

"I think we've captured everyone internally, but this is just an extra precaution," he said, pointing out that an earlier warning March 18 had already alerted public affairs officers in the region, and later at all Canadian bases here and abroad.

Soldiers at Borden weren't impressed, arguing a warning should have gone out immediately after Murphy's arrest.

"This is a training base and people come through here all the time," said one soldier, asking that his name not be used. "The longer they waited, the more risk there was of infection spreading. The shacks are like college dorms — there's a lot of casual sex."

Back in Newfoundland, the people who know Murphy say there's yet another side to the woman they know as a hard-luck survivor, who grew up poor in subsidized housing with her mother and two siblings.

They say they knew Murphy as a lesbian who years ago married her female partner in Logy Bay, a small settlement just north of St. John's — an event they say was covered by both the CBC and the St. John's Telegram.

"It was quite the hullabaloo at the time," said a friend and former neighbour, recalling the long white limousine that pulled up to pick up Murphy, dressed in a white wedding gown. "It didn't seem like a mock wedding to me," he said.

"It looked real. They had a minister, and all. Now she's involved in another hullabaloo, but this one with much more serious consequences."


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: canada; canadiantroops; hiv; homosexualagenda; military; newfoundland; virus; warning

1 posted on 03/26/2005 6:53:28 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

I'll bet this is giving some anti-war types some vicious ideas.


2 posted on 03/26/2005 6:55:02 PM PST by MisterRepublican (End Judicial Tyranny Now!)
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To: CHARLITE

To quote mhking: Just damn.


3 posted on 03/26/2005 6:56:49 PM PST by pharmamom (Let's err on the side of Life, OK?)
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To: CHARLITE
Take a picture of her face for investigative purposes and give this dyke scum a military execution. Then cremate the diseased carcass and throw the ashes into the sea.


4 posted on 03/26/2005 6:57:23 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: CHARLITE

What a dirtbag. All I can say.


5 posted on 03/26/2005 6:59:34 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Viking2002

Is this before or after the trial?


6 posted on 03/26/2005 7:00:15 PM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: CHARLITE

As I understand it, a woman is very unlikely to infect a man with HIV unless she shares a needle with him... It almost NEVER happens.


7 posted on 03/26/2005 7:00:28 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Viking2002

I couldn't have said it better...


8 posted on 03/26/2005 7:00:41 PM PST by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: babygene

It's a bit of a dirty little secret (because so many different factions want to promote the idea it's easier to get this way...from the gay lobby trying to promote the idea that everyone has equal risk, to social conservatives trying to scare people into monogamy), but yes, it's INCREDIBLY difficult for a man to get AIDS from a woman with AIDS through vaginal intercourse, even totally unprotected.


9 posted on 03/26/2005 7:02:53 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

got link?


10 posted on 03/26/2005 7:06:02 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: CHARLITE

>>>Murphy, she said, "is a wonderful mother, a wonderful human being, dedicated and faithful wife, and dedicated in the community. She's like a sister." <<<<<

Lets see she was a married lesbian,then she was a married heterosexual , she had AIDS, she went through half the soldiers at this camp.

. Sounds like a wonderful Mother a wonderful human being , and a faithful wife to me.

(sarcasm).


11 posted on 03/26/2005 7:08:15 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: babygene

I've also heard it's very unlikely for a woman to give it to a man- although I doubt I'd knowingly take the chance. Of course, the guys got to take some responsibility, as well


12 posted on 03/26/2005 7:08:53 PM PST by jimboster
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The real shock is that Canada still has a military.


13 posted on 03/26/2005 7:08:55 PM PST by digitalbrownshirt
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To: Strategerist
"It's INCREDIBLY difficult for a man to get AIDS from a woman with AIDS through vaginal intercourse"

From what I read, 63% of the prostitutes in NY are HIV positive. They have sex with millions of men a month... Where's the epidemic in heterosexual men? There isn't one!
14 posted on 03/26/2005 7:09:31 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: CHARLITE

Canada has soldiers?


15 posted on 03/26/2005 7:10:17 PM PST by schaketo (http://www.gp.org/ Convince progressives to join the Green Party – Divide and conquer)
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To: Windsong

http://www.fumento.com/pozaids.html


16 posted on 03/26/2005 7:10:38 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: babygene
As I understand it, a woman is very unlikely to infect a man with HIV unless she shares a needle with him... It almost NEVER happens.

What about if men were having anal sex with her?

17 posted on 03/26/2005 7:16:16 PM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: An American In Dairyland

Actually that shouldn't make much difference, really.

The really dangerous thing is receiving anal sex from someone with AIDS.


18 posted on 03/26/2005 7:17:18 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: An American In Dairyland
" What about if men were having anal sex with her?"

I thought I answered that. The odds of transmission of HIV from a woman to a man through normal intercourse is almost 100,000 to one. It almost never happens.
19 posted on 03/26/2005 7:21:52 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: stevio
Before. If her scamper is called before the jury as a witness in it's own defense, something may leap out and attack the courtroom. :-)


20 posted on 03/26/2005 7:22:28 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: babygene
From what I read, 63% of the prostitutes in NY are HIV positive. They have sex with millions of men a month... Where's the epidemic in heterosexual men? There isn't one!

Thanks for shining the light of logic, into the abyss of moral indignation. Not sure how many people will actually take the time to think your points through, but the friends I have in medicine have stated have told me the same thing. HIV is a blood-blood transmitted virus. Vaginal intercourse TYPICALLY does not result in a blood to blood transmission, whereas the likelihood is far greater in anal intercourse. Hence, gay men are more prone to get/transmit this disease than hetero-sexual men. Also, women are more prone to becoming infected, than men in normal (non-violent) vaginal intercourse.

21 posted on 03/26/2005 7:25:06 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: babygene

As it turned out as Fumento mentioned, in most recorded cases of "female to male" transmission, further interviewing revealed the men were lying.


22 posted on 03/26/2005 7:26:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: An American In Dairyland
"What about if men were having anal sex with her?"

Female-to-male HIV transmission is usually associated with the presence of ulcerative sexually transmitted infections, such as Syphilis, in the male. It's a fairly common mode of transmission in undeveloped countries.

23 posted on 03/26/2005 7:30:51 PM PST by Sooth2222
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To: CHARLITE
"is a wonderful mother, a wonderful human being, dedicated and faithful wife, and dedicated in the community. She's like a sister."






WHAT?????? I would say that would have to be quite false!!!! Maybe Canada, and the US for that matter, should wake up. We don't let gays in the military, they do. If they can't get the disease in the military one way, it will come around to it eventually. Keep making laws to denigrate morals, and allow for deviant behavior! This is what follows. Doesn't say how this woman got it, but it stands to reason, it was from either sleeping with a man who was bisexual, or using IV drugs. And she should be arrested and charged, hope they make it stick!
24 posted on 03/26/2005 7:53:12 PM PST by gidget7
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To: Strategerist

Even though anal sex, its still unlikely for a man to get it from a woman. He can, however pass it to her that way!


25 posted on 03/26/2005 7:55:13 PM PST by gidget7
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To: babygene
As I understand it, a woman is very unlikely to infect a man with HIV unless she shares a needle with him... It almost NEVER happens.

I don't know how much of a chance there is, but how many men would knowingly volunteer to test that theory?

26 posted on 03/26/2005 7:57:36 PM PST by Mark17
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To: gidget7

What difference does it make if it's an HIV positive woman's anus or a man's? If a man engages in anal with someone HIV positive chances are he'll get it.


27 posted on 03/26/2005 7:59:23 PM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: cyborg

actually, yes there is still risk, but chances are slim.


28 posted on 03/26/2005 8:17:54 PM PST by gidget7
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To: babygene
... infect a man with HIV unless she shares a needle with him...

Depends on what you mean by needle.

29 posted on 03/26/2005 8:47:40 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: digitalbrownshirt
The real shock is that Canada still has a military.

Just for training and parades.

30 posted on 03/26/2005 8:49:37 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: An American In Dairyland
What about if men were having anal sex with her?

As I understand it, the virus is transmitted through body fluids. It is usually the man providing the body fluids no matter the orifice. Don't know about saliva but it is normally blood or semen.

31 posted on 03/26/2005 8:53:22 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: digitalbrownshirt

And this can be a poster story to enhance recruitment!


32 posted on 03/26/2005 10:07:54 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're there, thats the best!)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping + Moral Absolutes.

Let's see, what's wrong with this picture?

I see a large amount of trouble which would have been easily avoided if the simple rule of "Chastity before marriage and fideltiy in marriage" was a cultural standard.

Of course, there always have been and always will be some who would break the standards. But when the standard of moral sexual behavior is tossed in the garbage, instincts take over, and people have nothing to live up to.

Result? Lives ruined, families ruined. Enough lives and families ruined, and society becomes very damaged.

Let DirtyHarryY2K and me know if you want on/off the Homosexual Agenda Pinglist, and let ME know if you want (back)on/off the Moral Absolutes Pinglist.


33 posted on 03/26/2005 10:46:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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To: Hodar
remember too that IMO most prostitutes are also drug abusers......that's a quick and deadly way to catch the disease....

one solution to all this is BACK TO MORALITY......

it wouldn't be such a terrible thing if more women weren't such sluts and more men weren't such pigs......to put it plainly.....

34 posted on 03/26/2005 10:53:45 PM PST by cherry
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To: cyborg
What difference does it make if it's an HIV positive woman's anus or a man's? If a man engages in anal with someone HIV positive chances are he'll get it.

you got it -anal sex! It is all about behavior --homosexual males are the mot prolific carriers and transmitters of the disease because of anal sex AND promiscuity...

35 posted on 03/26/2005 11:23:44 PM PST by DBeers
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To: All

The way a man usually gets aids from a woman is through oral sex ( with the man doing the oral part not the woman). With a one night stand that usually doesn't happen. It is far more difficult for a man to get aids from a woman with just vaginal/anal sex then it is for a woman to contract it from a man. Oral sex will do it though, so watch out for that guys!


36 posted on 03/27/2005 12:25:21 AM PST by calex59
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To: CHARLITE; little jeremiah; MeekOneGOP; Smartass; PhilDragoo
We can add Death from HIV/AIDS to Euthanasia and Abortion = Official Seal of DemonicRats thanks to the gay agenda pushers in America and around the world.

IN THE NAME OF JUDICIAL INDEPENDENCE, YOU'RE DEAD


37 posted on 03/27/2005 6:24:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Incredibly awesome graphic. Bloodcurdling, but hits the target.

Good to have it on signs for marches, protests and such.


38 posted on 03/27/2005 8:27:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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To: Famishus

Pingy Ping


39 posted on 03/27/2005 8:41:18 AM PST by mother22wife21 ( I believe that Rough Beast Yeats was talking about just got the keys to the city.)
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To: babygene

I said: " What about if men were having anal sex with her?"

You replied:

"I thought I answered that. The odds of transmission of HIV from a woman to a man through normal intercourse is almost 100,000 to one. It almost never happens."

Are saying you believe anal sex and normal (heterosexual) intercourse are the same thing? Or didn't you realize that heterosexuals can also engage in sodomy?


40 posted on 03/27/2005 11:06:24 AM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: CHARLITE; little jeremiah
"If she's done these things that they said she's done, then I can only suspect that maybe the virus is messing with her brain," Penney said.

Oh sure. Make excuses for her. The man who "infected her" in '91/'92 did so willingly. Now she follows suit. People who have little self control and need sex badly enough in order to make themselves feel worthwhile, don't care about the consequences, even if it affects others.

Thanks for the ping.

41 posted on 03/27/2005 1:31:20 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short (SPEAK OUT against homosex & its offspring: bi-sex, transgendered, pedophilia, GLSEN, GSA...)
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To: sgtbono2002
"Sounds like a wonderful Mother a wonderful human being , and a faithful wife to me. (sarcasm)"

That's how neighbors--especially elderly ones--most often describe the mother of children of many fathers on the block. It's a leftover from romanticism. ...damsels in distress that only too many idiotic men are ready to "rescue."

We need to clean up our national ho'house.
42 posted on 03/27/2005 3:54:18 PM PST by familyop (Essayons!)
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To: pharmamom
because you dont know her you have already made her guilty
i know her and was with her when she found out she was hiv
it took her 4 days to tell me and a week later we sat and made a list of everyone one she was with and called them
she didnt have to but she did the health board was going to do it and keep her name out of it but she felt it wasnt right i know in my heart and as her long time friend that there more to this story and the next time you decide to write offensive comment about a person you dont even know remember her child and mother may read what you write and they have been thorough enough let it go to trial
43 posted on 09/20/2005 10:11:18 AM PDT by nocaeb (friend)
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To: CHARLITE

Aw, man, all four of those Canadian Soldiers need to get tested!


44 posted on 09/20/2005 10:17:05 AM PDT by P-Chan Penny (Eat a toad for breakfast.... it's the worst thing that will happen to you all day!)
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To: nocaeb

You signed up to post this today?

How is it that there's almost ALWAYS some newbie guy/gal who knows the unfortunate subject of a story here on FR?


45 posted on 09/20/2005 10:18:00 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Strategerist

Great link!


46 posted on 09/20/2005 10:50:57 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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