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Minutemen to cover larger area of border than originally planned
www.americanpatrol.com/ ^ | March 26, 2005 | americanpatrol staff

Posted on 03/27/2005 6:11:19 AM PST by B4Ranch

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To: kellynla
That's 50 years ago. Today the dealers are riding in H2's and sporting automatic weapons with night vision the works.
51 posted on 03/27/2005 7:18:38 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
These people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt.

Being that they are breaking no laws, how exactly do you suggest they be stopped?

52 posted on 03/27/2005 7:19:21 AM PST by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN)
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To: B4Ranch

bookmark for later reading


53 posted on 03/27/2005 7:20:11 AM PST by pdunkin
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To: rodguy911

Congress had best get their priorities properly aligned. They are next in line for an election.


54 posted on 03/27/2005 7:23:51 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
These people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt.

I agree. Useless open-border politicians like Clinton, Bush and Ted Kennedy have to be stopped and replaced by folks with sufficient moral character to defend the borders, language and culture of our only homeland.

55 posted on 03/27/2005 7:28:43 AM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: ClintonBeGone
These people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt.

Are you talking about stopping the illegals? If so I agree. But people (Americans) are already getting hurt. I read yesterday about yet another gang rape committed by illegal Mexican aliens. A day does not go by when there is not another violent crime committed by illegals against Americans.

The whole point of this exercise is to stop the illegals so that Americans will quit getting hurt.

56 posted on 03/27/2005 7:32:43 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: B4Ranch
You are right. But think about it. Most of the potential electorate couldn't even read most of our threads of fr much less care or understand about what is really going on. Someone already said it, they know football scores and who Donald Trumph has fired and that's about it.
57 posted on 03/27/2005 7:36:31 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: B4Ranch; lonevoice

You know how bad it has become when American citizens feel they have to start patrolling their own borders. This would never happen if the government just enforced the current immigration laws and sent all the illegals it could find back to their home countries. The government also needs to slap huge fines on employers who hire the illegals. We ended slavery once. Hiring illegals at a fraction of what employers would have to pay American citizens for the same job is just another form of slavery.

I just hope the Minutemen stay within the law so that they become heroes rather than criminals in the eyes of the American public.


58 posted on 03/27/2005 7:38:44 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: ClintonBeGone
These people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt.

You must mean the people crossing into the country illegally right? You mean they have to be stopped before one of the millions crossing our borders turns out to be an al quaida member that ends up blowing up a city, right?

59 posted on 03/27/2005 7:39:21 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: B4Ranch

Here is an open letter sent to the FBI in Phoenix.




The following correspondence was mailed via U.S. Postal Service today to the FBI to
request help to preserve the civil rights of MMP volunteers and prospective volunteers:



TO: FROM:

SQUAD 12 JAMES W. GILCHRIST

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 22 VISTA DEL VALLE

201 EAST INDIANOLA ALISO VIEJO, CA. 92656

PHOENIX, AZ. 85012

March 25, 2005



Dear FBI,



I am one of the coordinators of the Minuteman Project, a grassroots organization of Americans who will assemble under the First Amendment in Cochise County, Arizona from April 1 through 30 to conduct a political protest and rally in support of the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. We will also spend much of that 30 day period observing, and reporting to the appropriate law enforcement agency, any suspected illegal activity where crossing over the U.S. international border into the United States is part of that illegal activity.



I am writing to complain that the ACLU has consistently attempted to interfere with the rights of the volunteers of the Minuteman Project to peaceably assemble in Arizona. Also, the ACLU has repeatedly used libelous and slanderous rhetoric to thwart the ability of U.S. citizens to assemble under the First Amendment, effectively dissuading some U.S. citizens from exercising their civil rights.



With the express purpose of depriving U.S. citizens of the rights to assemble and speak underthe First Amendment, I feel that the ACLU has maliciously engaged in consanguinity

(aka "McCarthyism") by its pejorative references to volunteers for the Minuteman Project

as "vigilantes" and as persons who are "taking the law into their own hands."



The ACLU's witch-hunt mentality has seriously eroded the ability of me, and several thousand other prospective participants, to freely assemble in Arizona under the First Amendment of the Constitution of The United States of America.



Through malicious harassment and intimidation, against U.S. citizens seeking to exercise their rights to freely assemble, including threats of arrest and law suits (for alleged acts that no one had committed, or intended to commit) the ACLU has effectively and illegally suppressed the civil rights of fellow citizens.



I am requesting that all legal remedies and protections available to preserve the civil rights under The Constitution of the United States of America to myself and those participating, or anticipating participation in, the Minuteman Project political rally and assembly, be provided.



Sincerely Yours,



James W. Gilchrist - The Minuteman Project [ Web site URL: www.minutemanproject.com ]



cc: Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano

Arizona U.S. Senator John McCain

Arizona U.S. Senator Jon Kyl

California U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer

California U.S. Representative Christopher Cox

United States Department of Justice


60 posted on 03/27/2005 7:41:06 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: rodguy911

The MM also has the handheld thermal imaging equipment, Gen 3 night vision devices. Being able to see the illegals hiking across the desert from half a mile away does give them some security from attacks.


61 posted on 03/27/2005 7:43:19 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: Pride in the USA
After a while you reach a point where you can't worry about what everyone thinks. We are there with Terri Schiavo and we are there at the border. The Minutemen are absolutely doing the right thing. But, I don't trust govt. to support them.
62 posted on 03/27/2005 7:47:34 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: B4Ranch
Good. They will need every advantage they can get. It must be like walking a tightrope out there, worried about some illegal who might stub his toe and get the ACLU to represent him in a million dollar suit against anyone who can afford to be sued.
63 posted on 03/27/2005 7:50:18 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
These people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt.

The whole country is already being "hurt"! Build the WALL, so no one NEEDS to be hurt!

64 posted on 03/27/2005 7:51:36 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: ClintonBeGone

WSMH - Flint, MI
http://newscentral.tv/flint_mi/

Poll: Do you think the Minuteman project should be allowed to patrol the border?
http://newscentral.tv/poll/qod.shtml

Result as of 3/27/05 8am MT

86% Yes
14% No


65 posted on 03/27/2005 7:51:53 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: Pride in the USA

>>I just hope the Minutemen stay within the law so that they become heroes rather than criminals in the eyes of the American public.<<<


staying within the law has nothing to do with it... they are and will be pecieved as the powers that be in wash. dc and the media WANT them to be. Fox/Rice/Bush have already helped the smear campaign toward the MM along. innocent until proven guilty hasn't existed for years, and this administration has shown no more regard for the Constitution then the last... i'm sorry to say - but not surprised.


66 posted on 03/27/2005 7:52:44 AM PST by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: MikeinIraq

>>Let's just hope there are no bad apples. I have heard some idiot white supremacists are going to try to get into the mix. Let's hope the leaders of the MM choose wisely....<<

copied from the MMP website;
"The Minuteman Project has no affiliation with, nor wants any assistance or interference from any separatists, racists or supremacy groups or individuals of any race, color, or creed. Leave us in peace."


67 posted on 03/27/2005 7:53:32 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: B4Ranch
Some of the ranchers closer to the border are not allowing the MM to cross their property because they are too close to the Mexican border. They are afraid of vigilantism from Mexican drug cartels if they do.

Calling the Sheriff, who could take an hour or more to get to their property wouldn't have much effect at preventing or arresting angry Mexicans from cutting their fences, would it?

These people would come in, cause the damage intended and be back across the border into Mexico before the sheriff even arrived.

We all know that our law enforcement people aren't going to pursue revengeful criminals across the border into Mexico.

Build the WALL now, and solve all these problems.

68 posted on 03/27/2005 7:54:54 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Travis McGee

thanks for posting that.

>>>as "vigilantes" and as persons who are "taking the law into their own hands." <<<

umm... is this not verbatim what Bush remarked the other day about them?


69 posted on 03/27/2005 8:00:20 AM PST by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: stopem
There's a difference between being a "National" of a particular nation, and being a "Nationalist." Hence, they said that during Holy Week Mexican Nationals come across the border to shop at a mall in San Antonio, where many drunken Nationalists sneer at them for their strange ways.
70 posted on 03/27/2005 8:00:59 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: B4Ranch

These two groups have been doing similar things for some time.

http://www.ranchrescue.com/index.htm
And
http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/


71 posted on 03/27/2005 8:04:16 AM PST by toomanylaws
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To: JimRed

I think it would be much less costly to just change the laws and stop ALL benefits to everyone in America without the proper papers. No drivers licenses, no free or reduced education at any level, no first aid or medical, no food stamps, no bank accounts or loans, no anchor babies, nothing at all unless you are here legally.

Make it where an illegal would not want to even think about crossing our border because there would not be a single advantage for them.


72 posted on 03/27/2005 8:11:20 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: Noachian
From what I've gathered about the Minutemen, so far, is that they're a bunch of good, and well intentioned, people who are doing a necessary job.

They are doing what our government refuses to do......protect our borders.

73 posted on 03/27/2005 8:12:00 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: B4Ranch; All

I hope that the usual flame war inciters don't succeed in getting this thread pulled.


74 posted on 03/27/2005 8:26:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: JimRed
We often copy Israel on defense matters. They built a fence. It would cost untold millions to do the same thing here but still would be far cheaper than if only "one" of the wrong terrorists gets through.
75 posted on 03/27/2005 8:34:09 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Travis McGee

Trav, what do you think about the new 'patrol zone'?
76 posted on 03/27/2005 8:38:35 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: Travis McGee

If everyone just refuses to post a reply to them the situation will stay nice and calm.


77 posted on 03/27/2005 8:39:51 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Cochise County, Arizona.)
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To: Travis McGee

There, I got my tagline corrected. I should have done that before I posted this article, huh?


78 posted on 03/27/2005 8:45:49 AM PST by B4Ranch (The Minutemen will be doing a 30 day Neighborhood Watch Program in Arizona and New Mexico.)
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To: ClintonBeGone; B4Ranch
These people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt

The American people have been terribly terribly hurt by illegal immigration. While crooked employers save money in wages, the American people are stuck with increasingly burdensome taxes to pay for the illegals schools, health care, housing and impact on our power, water and roadway infrastructure.

The American people have been hurt by a duplicitous government who barks at us about the "rule of law" but then turns around and says that anyone who will come here and work for $5 a day is welcome. The selective application of the rule of law to support an obviously corrupt relationship between our government and the employers of the illegals, hurts the American people.

The American people are also hurt by the loss of their culture of liberty. Schools cannot teach the founding principles anymore because it "offends" the foreign nationals who come to live here. So the idea of individual liberty, property rights, fair play and judeo-christian law are fading from the memories of most Americans, and the new ones, are not assimilating or learning these things.

No, illegal immigration has to be stopped. It is the American people who are being hurt.
79 posted on 03/27/2005 8:47:02 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: B4Ranch; Travis McGee

sorry guys. i let the MM bashing get to me.. i read you though.

Travis.. i'm still curious who Gilchrist was quoting in that letter to the FBI though... wasn't that W's comments the other day? it reads in the letter like it was a ACLU quote?


80 posted on 03/27/2005 8:47:33 AM PST by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: rodguy911
They built a fence. It would cost untold millions to do the same thing here but still would be far cheaper than if only "one" of the wrong terrorists gets through.

I think the Israeli fence cost about $1.8 million per mile. The fence near San Diego cost about the same. Lets round it up to $2 million times 2400 miles and it only costs $4.8 billion.

The 911 Terrorist attacks cost our economy at least $60 billion. The war on terror has cost about $300 billion. Illegal immigration costs the State of California $9 billion (net of the taxes they pay) annually and Arizona another $1.2 billion.

$5 billion for a wall sounds like a bargain to me!

81 posted on 03/27/2005 8:52:53 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: dagnabbit
Useless open-border politicians like Clinton, Bush and Ted Kennedy have to be stopped and replaced by folks with sufficient moral character to defend the borders, language and culture of our only homeland.

BTTT

It's a sad day in America when an invasion from a third world country is allowed by our own government.

82 posted on 03/27/2005 9:06:02 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

C'mon now we are talking about Govt. common sense is never allowed.


83 posted on 03/27/2005 9:54:46 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Fenris6
"They are getting beat up by the MSM and - gasp - Bush himself...."

Right you are....

Funny...we, as citizens, are encouraged by LEO's to form and participate in our local Neighborhood Watch Program...

...and I belong to AOPA and am encouraged to participate in the WOT Airport Watch Program ....

...yet when the MM form and actively participate in a Border Watch Program they get shredded and damned with faint praise!!

Just doesn't compute...

/headscratching on

84 posted on 03/27/2005 10:08:19 AM PST by GoldCountryRedneck (The Flogging Will Continue Until Morale Improves)
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To: MikeinIraq
I have heard some idiot white supremacists are going to try to get into the mix.

What difference would someone's private beliefs matter, so long as he obeys the law?

85 posted on 03/27/2005 10:24:15 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

they dont, but do you know of any white supremacists that don't let you know where they stand?

I knew 2 of those type and they would let you know in no uncertain terms where they stand, and then I would tell them how wrong they happen to be....it was fun....


86 posted on 03/27/2005 10:26:30 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: B4Ranch; Travis McGee

It would also seen that some sort of banking regulation regarding the transfer of us funds into mexico might change the fact that mexicos #2 source of income is from all the jobs that our government says we won't do.


maybe something like a 75% transfer fee?


they'd be paying thier taxs then wouldn't they...


87 posted on 03/27/2005 10:36:19 AM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (Head of the house that Peterbilt)
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To: Travis McGee; All

I have thought for some time it would be best if no response was given to the flaming race baiters. Just pretend they aren't even there.

I think they like the attention good or bad. The worst would be if they got no response at all.


88 posted on 03/27/2005 10:45:59 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: MikeinIraq
they dont, but do you know of any white supremacists that don't let you know where they stand?

What should be important is what they do, not what they think.

They can think as they please.

All that should matter is the legality of their actions.

Of course, the media may want you to think otherwise . . . .

89 posted on 03/27/2005 10:48:02 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

I want the MM thing to work.

that means not allowing even the remotest possibility of anything stupid to happen.


90 posted on 03/27/2005 10:52:58 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: MikeinIraq

I want the MM thing to work as well, I agree it absolutely must be done PEACEFULLY. If anything happens the MSM will be all over it. I think the leaders realize that, that's why they were strongly requesting current and former LEO's. They know these people understand the laws and will use a cool head in possibly heated situations. I pray all will be well and have faith if there are any attempts at violence, it will come from south of the border.

All in all, April will be a fascinating month.


91 posted on 03/27/2005 11:02:54 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: ClintonBeGone

"kooks"

Look no further than your own mirror to see the real "kooks".


92 posted on 03/27/2005 11:13:49 AM PST by politicalwit (Import Poverty...Hire an Illegal Alien)
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To: ozarkgirl

yep....that it will be...

I think the leaders and organizers of the MM are doing a pretty good job....


93 posted on 03/27/2005 11:17:57 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: SheLion

PING


94 posted on 03/27/2005 11:42:42 AM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: ozarkgirl
I have thought for some time it would be best if no response was given to the flaming race baiters.

The preeminent race-baiter on FR has posted at least twice today their 'drunken redneck' comments about the MMP and no one has replied to either. That is a hopeful sign.

95 posted on 03/27/2005 11:52:36 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly

What's really sad is I know exactly to whom you are referring. Well if that particular comment was thrown out with no response, that is a big improvement!!


96 posted on 03/27/2005 12:43:41 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: B4Ranch

That's sure a lot of territory!


97 posted on 03/27/2005 12:52:19 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ClintonBeGone

"these people have to be stopped before someone gets hurt"

You are too late, many illegals crossing the border are hurting our families with their drug traffic, hurting our citizens with their criminal activity, and hurting our social programs with incessant demands that they are "entitled" to them.


98 posted on 03/27/2005 12:52:51 PM PST by trubluolyguy ("If the enemy is in range, so are you")
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To: ozarkgirl
Actually, as long as they don't succeed in getting threads dropped (which is their goal) they do our side a lot of good.

They keep threads moving, bumping them way up. Threads with simmering disputes ongoing often get to 400+ replies, which means many times more lurkers will actually read the body of the article. Very few read a thread past 50 or so replies. So in that sense, any bump is a good bump.

99 posted on 03/27/2005 12:55:46 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: B4Ranch

We'll see how long this thread lasts.


100 posted on 03/27/2005 1:10:27 PM PST by risk
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