Posted on 03/27/2005 10:52:02 AM PST by BJungNan
Symptoms of Severe Dehydraton
- Mouth dries out, becomes caked and coated.
- The lips become parched and cracked.
- The tongue swells and cracks.
- The eyes recede back into their orbits.
- The cheeks become hollow.
- The lining of the nose cracks.
- The nose bleeds.
- Skin hangs loose on the body, becomes dry, scaly.
- Urine becomes highly concentrated, leads to bladder burning.
- Stomach lining dries out, dry heaves and vomiting.
- Body temperature becomes very high.
- Brain cells dry out, causing convulsions.
- Respiratory tract dries out, thick secretions plug the lungs and cause death.
- Within five days to three weeks the major organs, including the lungs, heart, and brain, fail.
Felos is a misogynist (hater of women), so to him, these symptoms would be beautiful.
It was a very insensitive - and stupid - comment in the least.
To all our political leaders of all political stripe. You can run but you cannot hide. If you are going to do something, then this is the time to do it. History will never forget what you have so negligently allowed.
At what point is it too late for them to act. I know the obvious answer. But before that?
It's too bad she can't be listed as an "Endangered Species". They wouldn't dare put some snail, or a slug through such things...
I am not going to address the Schiavo situation.
But suppose you have a living will and you direct that should you be in a persistent vegetative state you be allowed to die.
And you find yourself in such a situation, God forbid.
The law allows no choice but starvation and dehydration.
That is it.
I don't know if I could allow someone I care for to end his/her life in such a manner, no matter what the living will said. It would be a terrible ethical and human dilemma.
I have had to put down sick animals and the process is quick and seemingly painless.
I have problems with the legalization of euthanasia, but I also have problems having someone die of thirst.
No answers here, just questions.
Same questions here. In my case, hopefully I will be well enough to take one last throttle-wide-open run across the desert on my dirt bike. It will either be one heck of a successful ride - in which case I will have to take another run at it - or I won't have to worry about it anymore.
I have posted this before and I will keep posting for all those who may not have seen it.
This tells you exactly what kind of evil person, Michael's Schiavo’s lawyer, Felos is.
Excerpts from George Felos's book, "Litigation as Spiritual Practice" (Blue Dolphin Publishing, 2002) with page numbers About the Jews, George Felos wrote, "The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. Their sacrifice saved humanity at the brink of extinction and propelled us into a new age." (pg 240)
"If our minds can conceive of an uplifting Holocaust, can it be so diffucult to look another way at the slights and injuries and abuses we perceive were inflicted upon us?" (pg 240)
Describing the period he was separated from his ex-wife, "that weekend I experienced rage. Savage, unadulterated, and murderous rage." (pg 6)
Felos wrote about his ex-wife, "To her, I seemed unattractive, sexually unexciting, balding, boring, and just not enough fun to be with....she didn't need me anymore. For her, marriage to me inflicted a fate worse than death. She admitted that for the past year or so she had wished for my death, and whenever I flew hoped the plane would crash." (pg 7)
About his anger towards his ex-wife, "I was on fire, fueled by thoughts of bludgeoning and tearing her apart." (pg 23)
Describing the period he was recuperating from his divorce, "it consisted mostly of dreams of being tormented in some inferno." (pg 27)
Mrs Browning, do you want to die? Do you want to die? - I nearly shouted as I continued to peer into her pools of strikingly beautiful but incognizant blue eyes. It felt so eerie." (pg 63)
"Whatever your opinion about tube feeding, the hard fact was it now stood between Mrs. Browning and her death." (pg 64)
About Mrs. Estelle Browning "...I carried with me the resolute determination to sever the artificial cord that bound Estelle Browning to this earthly realm. Her agonized cry for release ran though my mind over and over again, and I felt our spiritual bond." (pg 76)
"With my son as catalyst, I felt stirrings of my own early childhood, which was less than idyllic. I unconsciously blamed myself for permitting myself to be abused, and I believed I was, as a child. At some point early in my childhood I self-divided into a protector and the inner essence I was protecting." (pg 48)
While on a plane trip, Felos thought "I wonder what it would be like to die right now?" (pg 181)
Felos wrote that God told him, "You are more powerful than you realize." (pg 182)
About the Estelle Browning case, "I still got a kick that evening seeing myself on the TV news, notwithstanding my frequently displayed countenance in the media of late."
"If I had to urinate, I didn't wait until the next commercial, I immediately got up and went. On the first urge to defecate, I left for the bathroom rather than making one more phone call." (pg 292)
"I can truly say my wife was enamored with me. I suppose power and success really are potent aphrodisiacs - as my spouse had made particularly evident our previous night at the Governor's Inn." (pg 246)
From Here: The Whacky Whacky World of George Felos
"How fortunate she can not percieve any of it, as bad as that sounds."
What a thoughtful, nice post on your first day here!
p.s. "i before e, except after c"
Thanks BJungNam, I hope neither of us has to be in the position of having to watch someone die of thirst or be the person to watch someone die that way.
My dilemma is how can I sign a living will knowing that someone I love must make a decision to let me die of dehydration?
Or how can I make that decision for someone I love? And then be with them as they die?
I am pretty tough, but those are circumstances I don't know how to face.
People think that if they sign a living will everything will be easy.
Somehow I don't think so.
Again I just have questions, and no answers.
I lost my Mother to cancer in '52. She actually died
at home with my injecting morphine into her every three
hours...causing heart failure. A dear friend lost her
bout with cancer four years ago. The doctor again
prescribed hospice home care with morphine draughts
every few hours, causing heart cessation.
In 50 years, terminal patient care hasn't changed
one iota. I view the morphine draughts/drip as the best
way to end a sick-unto-death patient. Rightly or wrongly,
the courts decreed she MUST die. But Why the protracted
method? Why wasn't such a peaceful death prescribed for Ms. Schiavo?
Our vets do as much for our pets.
She is getting morphine, believe me. The job of a hospice is to provide palliative care. They know how to do it and if, by some chance, she could feel pain, believe me, she's not.
If it was a peaceful way to go then they'd not need to give her morphine. If I am to believe what Michael Schiavo's lawyers say then she doesn't need morphine.
You need not worry. The first thing a hospital asks
when you go in for any surgery is, "Do you have a
living will?" And you have to present it at the
hospital. Mine is on file at our local hospital.
So is my wife's.
You forgot the last symptom of dehydration.
That is termination.
Judgenfuhrer Greer: "I am fully aware that death by starvation instead of gas chamber
WAS the penalty for Jews and Gypsies trying to escape the Crematoria at Auschwitz.
Death by starvation is back and by Imperial black-robed brethren Mullahs
shall make this America's legacy, beginning in thee Pinellas County, Florida way ."
HEALTHFUL DRINKS AND WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDGE GREER
Murderer-At-Will Judge Greer 41
......................... Terri Shiavo 0
.......................... Lee Malvo 30
.......................... Scott Peterson 29
 SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Adolf Eichmann Nazi bureaucrat Author of the Final Solution |
Pinellas County District Judgenfuhrer George Greer American bureaucrat "Author" of 'THERESA MARIE SCHINDLER SCHIAVO, incapacitated ex rel, Robert Schindler and Mary Schindler, her parents and next friends, versus MICHAEL SCHIAVO, as guardian of the person of Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo, incapacitated, JUDGE GEORGE W. GREER, THE HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC. leading to slow death by dehydration and starvation of a human being, in the Greer-Way |
 Their Common Legacy: Torture, Starvation and Death |
It sounds downright awful and how do you know she can't percieve any of it?
Thanks for posting that Spunky. I hadn't seen that. Keep posting it. I hope this case doesn't end with Terri's death. We need to start really looking into the people who have been advocating for Terri's death and the philosophies that are driving them.
I have a living will. When I was in the process of drawing it up, my lawyer strongly advised me not to allow the withholding of water. So mine permits withholding of food only. Given all the information I have now, I think I am going to revisit this with my doctors.
Let's all give a hand to the hospice staff for being so kind. I want to barf! If anyone is to feel pain, let's hope that Greer, Felos, and Schaivo feel lots of pain before their time on earth ends. May they all three be greeted at the Gates of Hell together.
Aaahhh, what gentle, dignified euphoria!
Sounds positively euphoric.
Too bad there was nobody around to save and protect this woman from her barbaric murder-in-progress. The probate judge has the final word in Florida.
As per Judge Lynch of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, "removal of a nutrition and hydration tube would likely create some or all of the following effects before death" (as listed in the text of this thread).
Brophy v. New England Sinai Hosp., 398 Mass. 417, 444 n.2, 497 N.E.2d 626, 641 n.2 (1986) (Nolan, J., dissenting)
What would account for the bleeding eyes that her parent's attorney reported?
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Terri's Starvation Commences: Terri's "Exit Protocol" Begins (FR thread)
"Exit Protocol" (thrownback.blogspot.com) for one of the other times Terri had to endure starvation and dehydration.
Pain medication, such as Naproxen, is prescribed, as indicated below (red type is information added by Cheryl Ford, RN). As far as "peacefully" dying, I would call spasms and seizures anything but peaceful:
3. Monitor symptoms of pain/discomfort. If noted, medicate with Naproxen rectal suppository 375 mg Q8* prn.Wait a minute! George Felos, Michael Schiavo, and all the other advocates of feeding-tube removal have been saying repeatedly that dying by denial of nutrition & hydration is "peaceful" and "painless". They've both said so in interviews and press conferences, such as on Larry King Live. So if dying by denial of nutrition and hydration is, as Michael said, "painless and probably the most natural way to die", then why is medication needed for pain and discomfort?
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7. Multifocal myoclonus or terminal agitation (sometimes caused by electrolyte imbalance). Consider diazepam rectal administration 5-10 mg. May repeat in 4 hours if not resolved then daily - twice daily as needed.
Myoclonus is twitching or spasm of the muscles. Multifocal means "occurring in many different parts of the body". This is usually the result of imbalance in electrolytes, the chemicals, such as salt, potassium, and calcium, which make your bodies internal electrical "batteries" work. Nerve impulses and muscle contractions are governed by electro-chemical reactions utilizing these chemicals. Dehydration causes these chemicals to be out of balance, interfering with normal nerve and muscle function. This can result in nerves and muscles "firing off" uncontrollably, causing spasm. The patient will writhe and become extremely agitated. If you have ever had muscle cramps resulting from strenuous exercise (especially when you have sweat profusely), you have some idea what this feels like. Imagine having this happen all over your body, repeatedly. Diazepam (more commonly known as Valium) is a muscle relaxant.
8. Grand Mal seizure, which is highly unlikely given current conditions and lack of contributing factors (meds). Recommend diazepam 15 mg rectally as indicated in seizure management orders.
In the final stages of starvation and dehydration, the same electrolyte imbalances which can cause muscle spasm can also lead to uncontrolled firing of neurons in the brain, according to a similar mechanism. This results in seizures.
Here's another question, from Mark Steyn, found here:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn271.html
No compelling reason to kill Terri Schiavo
"Here's a thought: Where do you go to get a living-will kit saying that in the event of a hideous accident I don't want to be put to death by a Florida judge or the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals? And, if you had such a living will, would any U.S. court recognize it?"
I am now going to bump this important thread by adding the links to a few other Terri Schiavo-related threads.
Terri Receives Sacrament of Communion - 6 p.m. Just Announced
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Ann Coulter
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