Even the Orthodox rabbis have weighed in favor of life! Perhaps, like Pope JPII, they see the writing on the wall. It's fairly clear in which direction this nation is headed.
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Posted on 03/27/2005 2:06:10 PM PST by wagglebee
Rabbi Yehuda Levin has issued the following statement on behalf of the Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the United States and Canada:
"We urge President George Bush and Florida Governor Jeb Bush to take immediate, decisive action to save the life of Terri Schindler-Schiavo. We appreciate the pro-life statements of President Bush and Governor Bush. Yet, their efforts have thus far not been successful. We therefore urge the President and Governor Bush to take immediate and decisive action - either jointly or separately - to save the life of Terri Schindler-Schiavo before it is too late.
"When evil becomes 'legally' sanctioned by government, it rises to a higher order of evil - that of Sodom. Legality does not dictate morality. The Almighty dictates morality.
"America is being tested. Will we pass or will we fail?
"Perhaps some feel that everything that could be done has been done. But our holy Torah, the Word of G-d, says otherwise: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' We all know the answer."
Unfortunately the left believes in neither God nor morality.
"the level of Sodom"
scary thought, and not new to my mind.
There is nothing more the Bush brothers can do. Lord knows they tried, and God bless them for it. Terri will die, but truth will out. Things will emerge about the lunkhead (Michael) and people will come to see that he had only his own freedom in mind. His lawyer turns out to be a wacko too btw.
What and do what Janet Reno did and seize her like Elian?
Get real.....that was wrong then .....and it would be wrong now.
Oh no! Those nasty Christian Right Taliban types are trying to...er...um...never mind.
Your exoneration of the powers-that-be in this horror do not satisfy my outrage.
Thanks for posting this. "Legality does not dictate morality. The Almighty dictates morality"....Absolutely correct. I pray that the country takes note and learns the appropriate lesson.
The left is highly experienced in creating "gods" even more vengeful and death-dealing than Yahweh of the Scriptures. (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc).
You are far too kind.
Amen.
Absolutey sums up exactly what I believe.
I also think that alot of people may ultimately be surprised how many of us average dumb Americans who aren't legal scholars and don't worship the Constitution are so totally disgusted with what has happened in this case (the willful killing of an innocent American, not the Congresse's weak attempt to save her) that we have no further faith in our system. I have talked to die hard libertarians and liberals who also are dumbfounded at what has happened.
I don't know how this will play out, but I cannot imagine it will be good for the current arbiters of our legal system.
susie
If there is no need to believe what's written in the Bible, then what does it matter what they swore to do with their hands on it?
Bush swore to uphold the Constitution. Andrew Jackson ignored the Supreme Court once, and it remains a great stain on our Republic. Bush is not a dictator. He doesn't like the laws and rulings any more than I do, but he and his brother must act within the law. That's the way it is. Period.
The husband may sell a bunch of books in the baby-killer blue states but I have he does sell many to honest people. Michael must be making some big, big bucks from the death of Terri, insurance, movie rights, and the like, that he and his bimbo would lose if he and Terri divorced.
Plunge the country into a constitutional crisis over something that is played out thousands of times a year? Of course without the mass hysteria and circus atmosphere of Terri's case.
What happens when Federal Marshall's or state troopers or national guardsman's face off with the sheriffs guarding the hospice?
Should they open fire on them when they refuse to put down their weapons? And they will refuse to put down their weapons unless the judge is there to rescind his order.
How many people must be shot down to satisfy Terri supporters??
How much chaos will be enough?
Would a total democratic victory in the next presidential and congressional elections make you feel better??
I have news for the pro-life movement.
Most Americans are running away from you now in absolute horror!
The horror is the thought of some politician and some radical pro-life group descending on their deathbeds, shoving their families out of the way and demanding that we be given the "gift" of so-called life as our broken bodies waste away and our minds recede into madness or nothingness while the feeding tubes and other infernal machines keep our wrecked bodies alive for the next 15 years or more!
That is a fate much worse than death to many people.
" 1) Who is it that you are referring to who doesn't believe what's written in the Bible? "
You, since you wrote that what's in the Torah is irrelevant, and sicne the Torah is part of the Bible, that is the same as saying the Bible is irrelevant.
"2) It makes every difference for our elected officials to honor what they swear to. Anyone who doesn't understand that is ignorant."
No one suggested otherwise. I just found it extremely ironic that in the same sentence you disvowed the contents of the Bible you make a special reference to the significance of oaths that are sworn on it.
Are you really going to compare kidnapping a little boy at gunpoint, and giving him to a dictator, to saving an innocent woman's life?
ARTICLE I
Section 2
Basic rights.--All natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and liberty, to pursue happiness, to be rewarded for industry, and to acquire, possess and protect property; except that the ownership, inheritance, disposition and possession of real property by aliens ineligible for citizenship may be regulated or prohibited by law. No person shall be deprived of any right because of race, religion, national origin, or physical disability.
ARTICLE IV
Section 1
(a) The supreme executive power shall be vested in a governor, who shall be commander-in-chief of all military forces of the state not in active service of the United States. The governor shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, commission all officers of the state and counties, and transact all necessary business with the officers of government. The governor may require information in writing from all executive or administrative state, county or municipal officers upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices. The governor shall be the chief administrative officer of the state responsible for the planning and budgeting for the state.
(b) The governor may initiate judicial proceedings in the name of the state against any executive or administrative state, county or municipal officer to enforce compliance with any duty or restrain any unauthorized act.
(d) The governor shall have power to call out the militia to preserve the public peace, execute the laws of the state, suppress insurrection, or repel invasion.
I agree that George W. Bush has no legal grounds for action here (although Congress certainly could take action to enforce a lawful subpeona that Greer ignored). However, Jeb Bush is clearly within his powers to take custody of Terri Schiavo.
We're already in a constitutional crisis.
Actually seems only (GOP) government thinks this is OK,.
Right?
Do you people work for or get paid by the DNC because you are doing yeoman's work for them!
There is no law honored by G-d which allows this murder to occur. The "Law" of Sodom is said to have allowed such murder of innocents -- the law of Sodom demanded it, like Greer has demanded Terri's death -- and look what happed to Sodom.
Umm, yeah. The basic act is still the same--saving someone's life--whether it be from starvation or living under a horrid regime. A life is destroyed either way. We cannot stoop to Janet Reno, jack-boot thug level. the "Nazis" are the ones killing Terri. Neither the President, nor Governor Bush, should break the law.
Both groups are armed.
The true dimenson of the dysaster that is about to befall the government in power will start to be revealed monday when talk radio fires up and columns begin to appears in the daily papers. The firestorm will move from the internet to airways. television and newspapers.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
Should they open fire on them when they refuse to put down their weapons?
YES and YES. Evil is evil no matter that it is done under color of law. Our grandfathers spill the blood of hudrends of thousands to prevent this kind of crap. ALL their sacrifice and blood was spilled for nothing if we do this.
This is good but what took them so long?
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That's asking a lot from an Empty-Suit Girlieman like Jeb.
At this point, many more innocent people would have to die in order to save her, and it's probably too late anyway. After this long with out food or water, she will TRULY be in need of life support, and if they won't even aloow the feeding tube to be re-inserted, what are the chances of her being put on life support?
Also, to the people who are calling for Jeb Bush's head, what would you have him do? Send in state troopers to shoot it out with a bunch of cops who are just doing their jobs, after which he would be impeached, and Terri would die anyway? Save your vitriol and channel your energy into imposing some limits on these filthy little tinpot judicial fascists. They are the real enemy here.
Genesis 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
The shedding of innocent blood is no new thing. The first child ever born was a murderer. This country is striking down Terri Shiavo, and soon her blood will be crying to God. He pronounced a curse on Cain. I wonder what is in store for those who instigated Terri's murder......and for those who could have saved her, and didn't?
pattyjo
Not stopping a murder, makes one as guilty as the murderer themselves, even in worldly laws!
Had the Founding Fathers obeyed the "laws" of King George and the British courts, we would all be bowing to the Queen.
Had the abolitionists mindlessly obeyed the law, slavery would still be legal.
Every thing that Adolf Hitler did was legal under German "law".
Had Martin Luther King and those who fought for civil rights for blacks obeyed the "law", racism would still be officially sanctioned.
Those who worship the "law" and mindlessly follow the edicts of it's High Priests (the courts) will deserve the depraved and inhuman society they get.
Where in my post did I say anything about "gas" and "bombs"?
I'm still waiting for the day when one of these leftists can show me the portion of the Constitution that gives the judiciary the power to enact laws.
Even the Orthodox rabbis have weighed in favor of life! Perhaps, like Pope JPII, they see the writing on the wall. It's fairly clear in which direction this nation is headed.
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So then what's your plan? The republicans so far have been so effective in dealing with our tyrannical judiciary. Gee, I wonder when they will get the backbone to prosecute Sandy Burlar.
God bless them.
And Congress won't even enforce its own subpoenas - what a joke.
Heck, we don't need leftists, we have republicans carrying the water for them on this thread. What a bunch of girly men.
Don't fear Walkin Man! You can always bite down on a cyanide capsule when you see those Bible-thumping do-gooders coming towards you.
According to law and the sanctity of marriage, the husband has the final say for his spouse. Or the wife as the case may be.
I remember when conservatives believed in the sanctity of marriage before the mass hysteria in Florida broke out.
ALL OF US ARE! We have an obligation to elect an offical that will protect our country, it's people and our freedoms ,including the innocent.
He failed, we failed.
It will be interesting to see how some of these people feel a decade or so down the road (especially when many of the baby boomers begin to experience the normal illnesses of aging), and they are informed that their life or the life of someone they love is no longer "viable" and that armed officers will prohibit the administration of food, water or medical care (and affordibility will no longer matter).
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