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Schiavo Moves Closer to Death (Schindlers Attorney: She Has 'Passed the Point of No Return')
ITV of Britain ^ | 3.27.05 9:49 PM

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:35:40 PM PST by gopwinsin04

The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

He added, 'At this point, we would say that Terri has passed the point of no return.'

The case has been in and out of court for years and has gripped America.

It has seen the intervention of US President George W. Bush, the US Supreme Court and Florida's Governor Jeb Bush.

The Schindlers, practicing Roman Catholics, have attracted passionate support from an array of Christian conservatives, right to life, and anti abortion advocates, who have been holding vigils outside the hospice.

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The lord opens his arms to you, Terri...
1 posted on 03/27/2005 2:35:41 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Now wait just a sec - morphine? I thought that she would feel no pain because she had no capacity for it. I'd better stop right here...


2 posted on 03/27/2005 2:38:01 PM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: gopwinsin04

Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

So much for a painless death.

Guess they just got tired of waiting, the drip will kill
her by itself.


3 posted on 03/27/2005 2:38:03 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: gopwinsin04
The Schindlers, practicing Roman Catholics, have attracted passionate support from an array of Christian conservatives, right to life, and anti abortion advocates, who have been holding vigils outside the hospice.

While the Catholic leadership tries to come up with a sufficiently nuanced position.

4 posted on 03/27/2005 2:38:17 PM PST by madprof98
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To: gopwinsin04
a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain

What pain? I thought starving to death was supposed to be a painless process? Besides, she is supposed to be brain dead so she shouldn't feel any pain.

5 posted on 03/27/2005 2:38:52 PM PST by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: gopwinsin04
a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain

This because death by dehydration is so euphoric, I suppose...

6 posted on 03/27/2005 2:38:52 PM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: gopwinsin04

We must pass legislation in her honor to avoid similar barbaric outcomes (being starved/dehydrated to death while not in a PVS) in the future.


7 posted on 03/27/2005 2:39:11 PM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: gopwinsin04
The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

Pain? I didn't know that PVS patients feel pain.

8 posted on 03/27/2005 2:39:50 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: gopwinsin04

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson


9 posted on 03/27/2005 2:40:27 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: gopwinsin04

But people with PVS can't feel pain...


10 posted on 03/27/2005 2:40:35 PM PST by thoughtomator (Prepare yourself for industrialized euthanasia)
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To: kennedy

I was thinking the same thing.


11 posted on 03/27/2005 2:40:42 PM PST by RightMike
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To: gopwinsin04
The Schindlers attorney said that Mrs. Schiavo is declining rapidly and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain.

If she has pain, she has awareness of sensations. Is she has awareness of sensations, then she is being executed in a cruel and unusual way.

12 posted on 03/27/2005 2:41:14 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: lodwick

excellent quote, thanks.


13 posted on 03/27/2005 2:42:48 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: FreedomCalls

Judge Greer is not going to let a little thing like an Amendment to the US Cosntitution get in the way of euthanasia!


14 posted on 03/27/2005 2:43:06 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: FreedomCalls

Congratulations Michael, you got your wish. Now, may something absolutely as horrific happen to you, and please, may it come very soon.


15 posted on 03/27/2005 2:43:09 PM PST by marquis7772
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To: gopwinsin04

Greer is a criminal...


16 posted on 03/27/2005 2:43:29 PM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: tet68

She wasn't dying fast enough. The morphine will collect in the system because of the dehydration. It will collect until it becomes a lethal dose.


17 posted on 03/27/2005 2:43:41 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: gopwinsin04
Morphine decreases the respirations to make the execution come more quickly. Anyway you look at it the administration of Morphine is damning to Mr. pro-death.
18 posted on 03/27/2005 2:43:52 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: madprof98

I'd keep waiting on that one.


19 posted on 03/27/2005 2:43:58 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Satan's trio are doing the happy dance and the Bush brothers are breathing sighs of relief they won't be asked to be heroes again.


20 posted on 03/27/2005 2:44:03 PM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: lodwick

Bump


21 posted on 03/27/2005 2:44:06 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: thoughtomator

The PVS diagnosis was a crock.

Judge "I hear nothing, I see nothing, if it wasn't brought to me 3 days earlier" Greer knew full well she was not in a PVS in her latter days, he didn't care.

He wanted to enforce his "final judgment".

It's enforced now.


22 posted on 03/27/2005 2:44:50 PM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: gopwinsin04

I'm saddened by all of this as anyone, but lets keep in mind that it was the Schindlers' attorney who is saying this. Statement tailored for public consumption? I hope there is no pain.


23 posted on 03/27/2005 2:45:06 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: FreedomCalls

If she has awareness then all those interactions with her mother were real, not reflexes.


24 posted on 03/27/2005 2:45:19 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: mtbopfuyn

Michael has to kill her now because of the congressional subpoena tomorrow. (then she would be outside the jurisdiction of Greer)


25 posted on 03/27/2005 2:45:24 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

So where's the euphoria?


26 posted on 03/27/2005 2:45:24 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Member of the Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: gopwinsin04; tiamat

He added, 'At this point, we would say that Terri has passed the point of no return.'

** I feel like cleaning and organizing my house for some reason.


27 posted on 03/27/2005 2:45:57 PM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: marquis7772

And may Terri meet him at the pearly gates and strike him down.


28 posted on 03/27/2005 2:46:08 PM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: kennedy
What pain? I thought starving to death was supposed to be a painless process? Besides, she is supposed to be brain dead so she shouldn't feel any pain.

I think now that the euthanasia crowd has their very public legal precedent, they no longer need to worry about the small details.

29 posted on 03/27/2005 2:46:12 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: kennedy
I have a hard problem with this no pain from starvation thing. I have gone back and reviewed all the pictures I have seen of inmates starving at the concentration camps and can find no examples of the inmates gleefully waving from inside the wire.
30 posted on 03/27/2005 2:46:49 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: need_a_screen_name

He wouldn't be able to lie about the morphine drip because it is a controlled substance and the hospice will be required to report it.


31 posted on 03/27/2005 2:47:09 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: alancarp

What a crock the medical community has sold us! A painless euphoric death?

There should be hell to pay for this.


32 posted on 03/27/2005 2:47:10 PM PST by ChiMark
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To: gopwinsin04
and a morphine drip has been administered by medical staff at her hospice to help her ease her pain

Where are all the know-it-all big mouths that stated with such certainty that she could feel no pain? Where are you?

33 posted on 03/27/2005 2:47:18 PM PST by AmericaUnited (Opponent of WPPFF (Wicked People Pulling Feeding Facilities))
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To: PatriotGirl827

34 posted on 03/27/2005 2:47:41 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: Puddleglum

It is no longer fun when your eyes dry out.


35 posted on 03/27/2005 2:47:48 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: marquis7772
Hey! You can't insist on justice for the murderer! That's Nazi-like! You're guily of threats! </sarcasm>
36 posted on 03/27/2005 2:48:34 PM PST by Lexinom (You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Satan's trio are doing the happy dance

They wont be dancing when they have to stand before Jesus Christ and answer for this.

37 posted on 03/27/2005 2:48:37 PM PST by trickyricky
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To: gopwinsin04
You mean that starvation is NOT euphoric after all? What a surprise.

The entire lot of Nazis that have done this to Terri should be rounded up and locked in a secure room so as to share in the "Euphoria."

They could encourage one another in their final quest for peace.
38 posted on 03/27/2005 2:48:50 PM PST by Sterlis
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To: marquis7772
Congratulations Michael, you got your wish. Now, may something absolutely as horrific happen to you, and please, may it come very soon.

The man needs an alias and plastic surgery for his future days. He better get in The 'Evil Sleazeball Protection Program'.

39 posted on 03/27/2005 2:48:55 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: tet68

I'd rather have the death by morphine than be starved to death.

:::shudder:::


40 posted on 03/27/2005 2:49:45 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: U S Army EOD
I have gone back and reviewed all the pictures I have seen of inmates starving at the concentration camps and can find no examples of the inmates gleefully waving from inside the wire.

"We've spent 9 days at the George Felos Beauty and Rest Camp. Now we have never felt more peaceful and looked more beautiful.".


41 posted on 03/27/2005 2:49:46 PM PST by AmericaUnited (Opponent of WPPFF (Wicked People Pulling Feeding Facilities))
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To: gopwinsin04

She will probably be dead before the night is over depending on the dose..maybe a few hours.


42 posted on 03/27/2005 2:49:52 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: tomahawk
We must pass legislation in her honor to avoid similar barbaric outcomes (being starved/dehydrated to death while not in a PVS) in the future.

Be careful what you wish for. I expect the discourse to now turn to a "more humane" manner of disposing of the "useless." The courts have now proven their sovereignty in determining who shall die, and I'm sure they'll be happy to oblige those so condemned with a quicker death.

We need laws to protect life itself.

43 posted on 03/27/2005 2:52:14 PM PST by browardchad
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To: cyborg

That might be a very good idea.

Work CAN be a form of prayer


44 posted on 03/27/2005 2:52:16 PM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: mtbopfuyn; Petronski
the Bush brothers are breathing sighs of relief they won't be asked to be heroes again.

I could not believe those two together could not save that innocent girl from a cruel murder. I am very, very disappointed in them.

Flame away.

45 posted on 03/27/2005 2:52:20 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: gopwinsin04

A morphine drip for Terri and a morphine drip for the experts; it sedates that little, irksome voice that asks us about certainty. Do we know for certain the patient feels no pain? Do we know for certain she is utterly unaware? No matter. Morphine will smooth out the imperfections.


46 posted on 03/27/2005 2:53:16 PM PST by macamadamia
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To: Sterlis

47 posted on 03/27/2005 2:53:27 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

The removal of a nutrition and hydration tube, wrote Judge Lynch of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court,* would likely create some or all of the following effects before death.

The mouth would dry out and become caked or coated with thick material.
The lips would become parched and cracked.
The tongue would swell, and might crack.
The eyes would recede back into their orbits and the cheeks would become hollow.
The lining of the nose might crack and cause the nose to bleed.
The skin would hang loose on the body and become dry and scaly.
The urine would become highly concentrated, leading to burning of the bladder.
The lining of the stomach would dry out and the sufferer would experience dry
heaves and vomiting.
The body temperature would become very high.
The brain cells would dry out, causing convulsions.
The respiratory tract would dry out, and the thick secretions that would
result could plug the lungs and cause death.
At some point within five days to three weeks the major organs, including the
lungs, heart, and brain, would give out and the patient would die.
* Brophy v. New England Sinai Hosp., 398 Mass. 417, 444 n.2, 497 N.E.2d 626,
641 n.2 (1986) (Nolan, J., dissenting)


48 posted on 03/27/2005 2:53:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: browardchad
This case establishes a precedent to stop feeding Micheal Moore based on what you just said.
49 posted on 03/27/2005 2:54:24 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: U S Army EOD

Starvation victim, Russia, 1921.

50 posted on 03/27/2005 2:55:18 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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