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Schiavo Moves Closer to Death (Schindlers Attorney: She Has 'Passed the Point of No Return')
ITV of Britain ^ | 3.27.05 9:49 PM

Posted on 03/27/2005 2:35:40 PM PST by gopwinsin04

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To: All
George Felos is a certifiable wacko. He has made right-to-die litigation his life's work and after listening to him describe Terri as being more peaceful than he's every seen her, I realized he's gone over the edge. He litigates, he wins, then assists his victims over to "the other side." I truly think he has begun to think of himself as God's agent and when he sees peacefulness in Terri, I think what he is seeing is the weird peace he himself feels as the agent of death. I would love to have a few psychologists discuss this. He has the same view of himself as cult leaders have of themselves. Personally, I think the Shindlers could sue him for murder.

I also think Felos has indoctrinated Michael Schivao, which is why Schiavo won't allow the transfer of guardianship. I would say he probably doesn't even realize this - that he thinks all of this is his own idea. That's how good Felos is.

101 posted on 03/27/2005 3:16:00 PM PST by sageb1
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To: tomahawk
We must pass legislation in her honor to avoid similar barbaric outcomes (being starved/dehydrated to death while not in a PVS) in the future.

That is already for or against the law, depending on the patient's wishes. This case is the court wrongly concluding that the patient wanted to die, and the entire judicial apparatus supporting that outcome.

102 posted on 03/27/2005 3:16:12 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: marquis7772

marquis, I know it's Easter and a sacred day indeed, but I can't help feeling the way you do. I don't want him to die, just be terribly inconvienced for the rest of his miserable life. I'd just settle for quadraplegia.......let him think about his whole sorted life and what HE may have POSSIBLY done to Terri to put her in the condition she was in. Lord forgive me.


103 posted on 03/27/2005 3:16:32 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: beyond the sea

Just HOW would they save her that would be permanent so that she would not have to go through this again by the ghouls?

Are you a dem attempting to turn this into a "hate Bush instead of the do-nothing democrats" view?


104 posted on 03/27/2005 3:17:04 PM PST by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: gopwinsin04

She passed the point of no return, for practical purposes, when the Shindler attorneys dropped the ball in their first trip to Federal Court.


105 posted on 03/27/2005 3:17:52 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: gopwinsin04

morphine drip to accelerate her death (decreases respirations)


106 posted on 03/27/2005 3:18:04 PM PST by bluebeak
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To: mtbopfuyn
Bush brothers are breathing sighs of relief they won't be asked to be heroes again. ....and what will be thier Legacy????
107 posted on 03/27/2005 3:19:18 PM PST by SweetCaroline (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me...Philippians 4:13)
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To: GeekDejure

Newsweek did a piece on the whole deal and from what I hear M.S. was treated with kid gloves. Sickening! The liberal media made up that Republican memo that made them look like they had a political motive in the matter. The whole media has distorted this "killing". It is pathetic, sickening, and maddening.


108 posted on 03/27/2005 3:19:27 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: sockmonkey
I think now that the euthanasia crowd has their very public legal precedent

Yes, however they may come to regret the "public" part.

109 posted on 03/27/2005 3:19:32 PM PST by Navy Patriot (The judges at Easter, justice or just us?)
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To: AmericaUnited
This is a tipping point for the nation as a whole. A wakeup call. I for one think this will be used for good, and we will start heading in the right direction.

More like a huge jump, in the wrong direction. Some people are still asleep. Those who have had their eyes opened, have hope. The others may continue to impose their barbaric "peaceful" death on those deemed "medically futile," the fairly recent buzz replacement term for "useless eaters."

110 posted on 03/27/2005 3:20:00 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: gopwinsin04

"I've been tearing up the whole day."

...and for several days prior to today.


111 posted on 03/27/2005 3:20:34 PM PST by Just A Nobody
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To: MaineVoter2002

Tomorrow start calling members of the House and Senate. Let them feel the heat so to speak. The more calls the better. Nothing like votes and power to get them interested in protecting their cushy jobs.


112 posted on 03/27/2005 3:21:12 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ARridgerunner
"Why does Felos want Terri to die on Easter Sunday? He will get his wish, I think. He is getting something from this. I wish I understood what."

Symbolism....he can proclaim that her soul has "ascended" like Christs and that will make the assisted murder feel all better to some.

113 posted on 03/27/2005 3:22:27 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: nicmarlo

I think the Schindlers should file against Felos and have him charged with murder. Michael Schiavo has been doing his bidding, not the other way around, as they would have us believe.


114 posted on 03/27/2005 3:23:40 PM PST by sageb1
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To: gopwinsin04
to help her ease her pain.

What pain? She is brain dead. Isn't she?

115 posted on 03/27/2005 3:24:22 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Earthdweller

Don't you understand that this is the culmination of Felos' lifework? Her death is nirvana to him. And if anyone is "giving" him anything, look to Soros.


116 posted on 03/27/2005 3:25:42 PM PST by sageb1
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To: marquis7772
Congratulations Michael, you got your wish. Now, may something absolutely as horrific happen to you, and please, may it come very soon.

Don't waste your energy on curses. I suspect that Terri will soon be in a better place the Micheal will ever be.

117 posted on 03/27/2005 3:25:51 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AmericaUnited
This is a tipping point for the nation as a whole. A wakeup call. I for one think this will be used for good, and we will start heading in the right direction.

Don't hold your breath. Over 40 milliion children have been legally sacrificed on Moloch's altar of convenience and nobody has turned the nation around. I really believe America had passed the point of no return before we ever heard of Ms Schiavo.

118 posted on 03/27/2005 3:25:51 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: ARridgerunner
Also..wasn't Terri ordered to appear before congress tomorrow?

Someone wants to make sure she can not keep that date.

119 posted on 03/27/2005 3:26:28 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: sageb1

I think the Schindlers cannot do anything further. It was "judicially" ordered/rubber-stamped homicide at all levels.


120 posted on 03/27/2005 3:27:16 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: tomahawk

Amen. And you can bet the death crowd is working overtime to make Terri a precedent. Tragic.


121 posted on 03/27/2005 3:27:35 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: ClancyJ
Are you a dem attempting to turn this into a "hate Bush instead of the do-nothing democrats" view?

Highly unlikely. I was handing out 'I Like Ike' buttons in '52 before you probably were born, and have been working for Republicans since then! And, in case you don't know, 'Ike" was Eisenhower.

Now, there is a grip........ get it.

122 posted on 03/27/2005 3:27:45 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: gopwinsin04

WHAT PAIN ??


123 posted on 03/27/2005 3:28:29 PM PST by traumer
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To: nicmarlo

I don't know. I'd love to see someone take Felos down.


124 posted on 03/27/2005 3:28:39 PM PST by sageb1
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To: sageb1

I believe God, the Ultimate Judge of all, has yet to speak.


125 posted on 03/27/2005 3:30:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

While I agree with all the views against this, pulling the feeding tube is used routinely throughout the U.S. under varied criteria.

The problem with this case - Terri was NOT DYING until they pulled the feeding tube. The state authorized and allowed the questionable husband to initiate death on one that could live with the tube without illness. WITHOUT the opportunity of feeding other ways. This is WRONG.

Terri should have had a re-review of the case by new eyes since the family begged for her and her husband had a wife and children (no man is entitled to two wives at the same time - even if his name is Michael Schiavo).

Terri had no written statement of her wishes.

If all was on the up-and-up, the following would have occurred.

Michael would have gotten a divorce and allowed her parents to take care of her.

There would not have been instructions for immediate cremation, Michael would have allowed the parents to bury their daughter since they are the heartbroken ones here - not him.

There would have been no extreme legal maneuvers - to the point of a lower court taking over executive authority- to prevent a re-review of the case, additional tests, etc.

The whole thing stinks and I feel that Americans are smart enough to see it. They may wish to have such an opportunity to push people along to the happy hunting grounds - but they know what is going on here.

This whole thing is about a test case to further the euthanasia agenda and they won.


126 posted on 03/27/2005 3:30:18 PM PST by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: ClancyJ
This whole thing is about a test case to further the euthanasia agenda and they won.

I know that and believe that.

But, for the Schindlers, this whole thing was about loving Terri. Understandly, they also wanted an investigation concerning Michael.

127 posted on 03/27/2005 3:32:43 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: ChiMark
There should be hell to pay for this

Don't worry... there will be.

128 posted on 03/27/2005 3:33:56 PM PST by LaineyDee
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To: ClancyJ

FR is not here to meet anybody's expectations. It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less. Let people post what they want, within the bounds of civilized discourse.


129 posted on 03/27/2005 3:33:58 PM PST by thoughtomator (Prepare yourself for industrialized euthanasia)
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To: avile
>>>I wish it were a tipping point, but the MSM have shown that they still have power to affect the agenda. Just look at the polls-lukewarm Reps. and principled Dems may run for the hills.

By the way I noticed today that on the talk shows, i.e. Mclaughlin, Mathews, that the conservatives are always conservative pundits-i.e. barnes, Kristol. However their lib counterparts tend to be journalists or editors- mitchel,alter, clift whose jobs are to be unbiased.<<<

The media is pro choice and they see this case as an issue related to abortion rights. They think Terri's parents and their supporters are a bunch of pro life religious loons trying t enforce their religious beliefs upon Terri, whose wish it was to die.
You will notice the FReepers who are most adamant supporters of Judge Greer and MSchiavo's side are also pro choice Republicans/Libertarians.

Not all, but a lot.
130 posted on 03/27/2005 3:34:41 PM PST by snarkytart (You're Gutless. You're Undressed.)
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To: ClancyJ
"This whole thing is about a test case to further the euthanasia agenda and they won."

Maybe they have this time, but it will be up to us to make sure no one else ever dies like this again.

131 posted on 03/27/2005 3:34:51 PM PST by sageb1
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To: All

Heavenly Father, we return to thank You that we can uphold our beloved Terri in her darkest hour. Let not her Guardian prevent her family from being at her side ... may they be able to speak their words of love and grief and may her heart receive their every word. Surround this mother's child with the prayers of unknown numbers who love her ... may they be of comfort to her and her family in her final hours. Into Your loving hands, O God, we commend our beloved Terri ... give to her now what man would not ... refreshment from the wellspring of Living Water and sustenance from the Bread of Life. In the Name of Jesus, look with mercy upon this wounded lamb ... Amen


132 posted on 03/27/2005 3:35:11 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: sageb1

I understand, as well, numerous appeals have been sent to God concerning Greer, Felos, Michael, and others yet un-named and unknown to us. Nevertheless, many believe that God not only knows these individuals' names and activities, He also has kept a record of all activities of Greer, Felos, and Michael.


133 posted on 03/27/2005 3:37:17 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: gopwinsin04

So say the Schindlers. They and their representatives have lied before.


134 posted on 03/27/2005 3:37:20 PM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: alancarp

Morphine for pain...but I thought she looked peaceful, happy even. Does this mean Michael and his mouthpiece have lied to us? The Schindlers should have threatened a civil lawsuit against the state and Michael for depriving Terri of her rights, at least religious rights...since he won't let her take communion. God forbid anyone notice she can swallow.


135 posted on 03/27/2005 3:38:30 PM PST by hershey
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To: Pegita

Amen.


136 posted on 03/27/2005 3:39:25 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: beyond the sea

Well the effect is the same as if a dem was here trying to deflect the blame off the do nothing dems (who are highly silent) and, as ever, blame Bush.

I would rather trust my country and me to both of the Bush brothers than any others I can conjure up.


137 posted on 03/27/2005 3:41:17 PM PST by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: alancarp

Who ordered the morphine. It must be a licensed physician. That physician, by this action, states there is pain to be dulled. But he says she can't feel pain. Which is it. Is this not a more powerful statement than a sworn statement that she feels no pain. This one issue should compel the court to begin refeeding this patient. Greer has 1 set of facts which he will allow any ruling on. Now don't confuse him with all of the facts.


138 posted on 03/27/2005 3:41:32 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (.)
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To: nicmarlo

agree (and on us, too, I believe:)


139 posted on 03/27/2005 3:42:41 PM PST by sageb1
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To: alancarp
"I thought that she would feel no pain because she had no capacity for it. I'd better stop right here..."

"Easing the pain" is death cult code for "expediting death." Certainly couldn't have anybody snatching their victory at this late hour.

140 posted on 03/27/2005 3:44:04 PM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: sageb1

Don't think this is the culmination, this is the start.

Here are the movings in the "create law to cover killing" legislature of Florida. Unsourced document posted by mercyme.




Statute 765 revisions of 1999. Someone commented that Statute 765 seemed to have been intentionally revised in 1999 for Terri's case. Terri is being held at Woodside Hospice, part of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.
Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos was once on the Board of directors of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast and was also once chairman of the hospice.

Although George Felos lied and misled the public that he had left the hospice at the time he took Michael's case, it turns out, from examining public records that he did not leave until 2001. In 1998, Felos filed a motion in Judge Greer's court to remove Terri's feeding tube.

In 1999, statue 765 was revised to redefine what a terminally ill patient was, and changed the law to withdraw nutrition hydration from a patient in a persistent vegetative state who had no advanced directives.

In 2000, Michael Schiavo moved Terri to the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast. In 2000, Judge Greer ordered Terri's feeding tube to be removed. In 2000, Judge John Lenderman, Judge greer's fellow judge on the 6th circuit court, joined the Advisory board of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast for that year alone.

Martha Lenderman, sister of Judge John Lenderman, was also on the board of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, and later became chair of the hospice until public outcry forced her to resign. The entire time Felos was still on the board of the hospice. When Michael Schiavo first asked Judge Shames to allow him to remove terri's feeding tube in 1997, and then again in Judge Greer's court in 1998, the law at the time was not enough to let Greer order the removal of Terri's feeding tube under Terri's circumstances, so the law had to be changed in favor of Michael Schiavo.

In 1998, the florida legislature created the Florida Panel on End-of-Life Care for the purpose of revising the 765 statute for end-of-life issues. They were charged with coming up with the findings for changes in the law for the Florida legislature. Their findings were made law. Bill CB/CB/SB 2228, which revised the 765 as of October 1, 1999, also gave the authority to the End-to-Life panel to make findings for the legislature and that these findings were to made into law.

The legislature essentially gave them the authority to dictate to the legislature what changes to put in their bills. So the role of End-of-Life panel was not simply to make recommendations, but had the authority to determine what changes would be made into law. Robert Brooks , the head of the Florida Department of Health at the time, was appointed as the chair of the Florida Panel on End-of-Life Care.

In addition, Mary Labyak , CEO of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, was also appointed directly to the end-of-life panel, while Felos was still on the board of the Hospice. William Bell, a VP for the Florida Suncoast, was appointed as an alternate panel member of the End-of-Life Panel. In addition, a second group of people, which also included Mary Labyak, and others with connections to the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast became involved with the End-of -Life Panel as formal advisors, and began to work with Robert Brooks.

This means that Felos' associates dictated legislative changes, through the End-of-life panel, that benefitted Felos' client in a case that was pending in a court of law. From 1998 to 1999, this group worked together hand-in-hand with the chair of the state panel, Robert Brooks, and after 1999, they were continued to work with Robert Brooks, even as the records of Terri's physician were being withheld and destroyed by the Department of Health.

Their group was called Project Grace (not to be confused with the anti-abortion group in florida) and Brooks actually joined their board while they were attending the end-of-life panel meetings and advising Brook and other panelists on the end-of-life legislation. When Florida passed the revisions to Statue 765 in 1999 that effected Terri's case, there were at least several individuals with the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast that helped with the revisions of 765 through the state panel mandated by the florida legislature.

These revision were also applied retroactively to Terri's case. At some point, two individuals with working relationships with the 6th circuit court also became involved with Project Grace, although it has been determined discover how far back ttheir involvement with Project Grace was. Felos has mispresented that he left the hospice at an earlier date, to keep possible attention away from his role at Hospice of the Florida Suncoast at the same time the Hospice was influencing legislation specific to Terri's case.

Corporate records filed in 2000 still show Felos as a board member of the Hospice, he was not removed from Hospice board until 2001. Basically, the End-of-Life Panel and its relationship to the Hospice put Felos in the postion to influence both legislation and the 6th circuit to effect the outcome of this case while it was pending in Judge Greer's court. Add The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast's involvement in revising the legislation with state rep Gus Bilirakis, also on the board of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, role in getting it passed, shows it was being done to assist Michael Schiavo in the pending decision and retroactively apply it to Terri's case.

Brooks details his recruitment and the role Project Grace played in the formulation of the legislation, in the Journal of Cardiology, supplement to Vol 23, February 2000, which includes a series of articles written by other Project Grace members describing the revision of Statue 765 and detailing the work of Project Grace with the Florida Panel End-Of-Life Panel. Lofty Basta (his real name) then details how Project Grace influenced the End-of-Life Panel including providing a flowchart. Changes in the law mentioned in the series of articles that are pertinent to Terri's case were the "new pathway" for patients in a persistant vegetative state to have life-pronging procedures withdrawn without advanced directives (Brooks, prologue).

This new pathway was put into law. Also Project Grace member Geldart catalogues the changes to statute 765 in table 1 of his article, which he redefines medical terms for the state legislature. For example, Geldart defines "end stage disease" as a condition that is expected to cause death in the near future with or without medical treatment, and then includes a "nervous disorder"that causes "near complete total paralysis" with near total dependency as part of that definition.

Then Table 1 describes how the 765 law was revised in 1999 to include "end-stage condition" as a reason to withdraw life prolonging procedures along with persistant vegetative state and terminal illness. This was also put into law. Geldart also redefines terminal illness as not just conditions that cause death, but "irreversible" conditions or conditions "with no reasonable chance of recovery". Felos used this definition for the argument that Terri is terminal because she has a "irreversible" neurological condition with no "reasonable hope for recovery".

Geldart also details the the change in law that permitted nutrition and hydration to be considered medical treatment and the changes to life-prolonging procedures in the absence of advanced directives. Project Grace member William Leonard then points out a common scenario in Florida in his article: an elderly couple moves from out of state to Florida and then one spouse dies within a year 's time. Leonard then expands the definition of family to a neighbor, friend or caregiver who is now in the position of articulating the wishes of the elderly person to withdraw medical treatment, rather than "some distant relative".

And indeed the 765 law was changed to allow an "friend" to say that the person wanted life-pronging procedures withdrawn without a written directive. This also effected the outcome of Terri's case. Authors of Project Grace advocate for terminal sedation (Basta), withdraw of nutrition and hydration (Basta), and the refusal of physician to provide "futile" treatment as unethical even with advanced directive asking for treatments (Doty).

They also state that advanced directives providing for treatment should not carry the same weight as directives withdrawing care, and advanced directives should not compel the physican to provide them, regardless if the patient needs them (Doty). Doty is part of the Florida Bioethics Network as well as Project Grace. One of the changes in the law in CB/CB/SB 2228 includes the Bioethics Network as part of the process of withdrawing care.

In addition to this, there were two reports given to the Florida legislature by Brooks. In the interim report to the florida legislature, Brooks footnoted some of the changes. . The final report that Brooks made to the legislature is missing from the applicable websites. This is a good indication that they are hiding something, namely how influential Felos' buddies were on the changes made.

Individuals with Hospice of the Florida Suncoast that were also members of Project Grace that were also part of the were Mary Labyak ( on the Board of directors of Project Grace and appointed directly to the Florida Panel on the End-of-Life Care), Charlie Robinson (as detailed on his website, he is a member of Project Grace's steering committee and member of the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast ), and Susan Bruno, who was a co-author in the series of articles in the Journal of Cardiology.

Other project grace members and co-authors in the series of Journal of Cardiology articles Robert Walker, Ronald Schonwetter, Janice Lowell, Lori Roscoe, and David Mcgrew are also members of a University of South Florida (USF) center on palliative care founded and funded by the Hospice Institute of the Florida Suncoast, called the Center for Hospice, Palliative Care, and End of Life Studies. In addition, Schonwetter is being funded by Project on Dying.

Susan Bruno is also part of the center. Felos had to interact with the members of the USF center up until 2001, directly or indirectly through other board members, because he was on the board of the hospice then. There was a USF research project by Lori Roscoe and the hospice of the florida suncoast , funded by a USF collborative grant. It is called "provider perceptions of and ability to influence the quality of life domains for nursing home residents at the end of life"/ More evidence that the legislative changes to 765, and the role that the participants played on the End-of-Life Panel, were intended for Terri's case has to do with the public comments of members of Project Grace, including some with the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast - USF pallative center. Lofty Basta (yes, his real name), has continually campaigned against keeping Terri alive, and complimenting Judge Greer on his decisions, writing articles in the media and campaigning extensively in churches and other forums.

He has even stated that people like Terri have to die because there is no money to pay for the elderly's medication benefits, trying to get Pinellas' elderly population to turn against Terri. In one article, he seems to have some personal knowledge of Terri's medical records. In another, he states that Judge Greer made a wise decision to remove Terri's feeding tube. Basta cannot be unaware of his board members' involvement with George Felos. And Schonwetter, with the hospice-USF pallative center, made comments to the media to reassure the public when Terri's tube was removed the second time, that Terri would not feel pain.

Brooks requested funds from the legislature for educating the public on the End-Of-Care changes, as well as the clergy and health profession. Project Grace and Hospice of the Florida Suncoast received state funds through the Department of Health AND for educating the clergy and health profession. This makes me think that Lofty Basta is receiving Department of Health funds through the End of Life Panel as one of their educators to the public, which he used to undermine Terri's life and promote Michael Schiavo's position. I am basing this on the involvement of Project Grace on other education projects with the End-of-life Panel.

If so, Basta used state funds to stir up public support for Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer. Project Grace members Michael Bernstein and Charlie Robinson have a working relationship with the 6th circuit court. Robinson was also with the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast. Charlie Robinson is on the 6th circuit's Committee on Professionalism, which includes participation of 6th circuit judges. The 6th circuit does not openly advertise who was on this committee and when they served.

But I did notice an advertisement on a 6th circuit publication on the subject of professionalism training, with Judge Greer providing the training. This makes me very suspicious that Greer was on the Committee on Professionalism at some point, maybe with Charlie Robinson during the Florida panel on the End-of-life care meetings. Most importantly, Bernstein has provided mental health facilities for the elderly for the probate court for several years now, under Baker Act committments, which means he works with Judge Greer's probate court on mental health placements.

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141 posted on 03/27/2005 3:44:24 PM PST by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: beyond the sea

While I too am disappointed that the executive branch did not intervene, in fairness, I think the problem is that, despite the best efforts of the new media to raise awareness about the facts in this case, the old media were strong enough to hoodwink the majority of the population. Public opinion for Terri was strong enough to get the Palm Sunday congressional act but the old media, Deathocrats and Deathicists launched a counterattack. Without legislative backing, it was executive against judiciary and legislature in Florida and in the nation. So the subpoenas went unenforced and Jeb Bush pulled back.

One branch alone cannot correct the overreaching of one branch because as long as one branch acts alone, it is one against two (one against one actively overreaching branch and one passively condoning branch).

While I am disappointed in the executive, the true problem is the timidity of the legislative branch when push came to shove.

And we must focus our anger on further transformation of the legislative branch--to 60 seats in the Senate etc.

Only the rise of the new media in the last 10 years even permitted the opposition to the Deathicists to go as far as it did. That this even became a national story is a tribute to the new media, to FreeRepublic, WorldNetDaily, Fox News, Newsmax, Washington Times and many, many others. While this is a horrible defeat, the war is not yet over.


142 posted on 03/27/2005 3:44:31 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: hershey
"Morphine for pain"

No. The morphine is used to assist with her breathing. I had to do the same thing with my boyfriend when he died a year ago. I gave it to him in a teaspoon of cranberry sauce because it tastes so bad.

143 posted on 03/27/2005 3:45:13 PM PST by sageb1
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To: beyond the sea

While I too am disappointed that the executive branch did not intervene, in fairness, I think the problem is that, despite the best efforts of the new media to raise awareness about the facts in this case, the old media were strong enough to hoodwink the majority of the population. Public opinion for Terri was strong enough to get the Palm Sunday congressional act but the old media, Deathocrats and Deathicists launched a counterattack. Without legislative backing, it was executive against judiciary and legislature in Florida and in the nation. So the subpoenas went unenforced and Jeb Bush pulled back.

One branch alone cannot correct the overreaching of one branch because as long as one branch acts alone, it is one against two (one against one actively overreaching branch and one passively condoning branch).

While I am disappointed in the executive, the true problem is the timidity of the legislative branch when push came to shove.

And we must focus our anger on further transformation of the legislative branch--to 60 seats in the Senate etc.

Only the rise of the new media in the last 10 years even permitted the opposition to the Deathicists to go as far as it did. That this even became a national story is a tribute to the new media, to FreeRepublic, WorldNetDaily, Fox News, Newsmax, Washington Times and many, many others. While this is a horrible defeat, the war is not yet over.


144 posted on 03/27/2005 3:45:34 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: mystery-ak

I heard a nurse say that Michael insisted on pain medication for her menses, but I don't know if that continued after the lawsuit.


145 posted on 03/27/2005 3:46:05 PM PST by skr (May God bless those in harm's way and confound those who would do the harming)
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To: tiamat

Perhaps, but the entire case and court decision is predicated on the fact that she cannot perceive any outside stimulus. Morphine is used to dull any outside stimulus. Now we have moved in this one case, from allowing "nature to take its course" to euthenasia. That is a point clear and simple.


146 posted on 03/27/2005 3:47:13 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (.)
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To: gopwinsin04

But mike shiavo said she is a Turnip... how can she feel pain??


147 posted on 03/27/2005 3:47:50 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I just did.

http://judicialnetwork.com/contents/email/email_senator.shtml


148 posted on 03/27/2005 3:48:59 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: sageb1

Yes, God keeps records of everyone, but "whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16


149 posted on 03/27/2005 3:49:44 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: lodwick
"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government." - Thomas Jefferson

Thanks, Loddy. That is exactly the point I've been trying to make all along. I don't know what part of protecting a citizen's Constitutional right to life the "rule of law" people are having such a hard time understanding. I guess it is like the Bible says; God uses the simplest things to confound the "wise."

150 posted on 03/27/2005 3:49:52 PM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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