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IF NOT IN LIFE, GIVE US TERRI IN DEATH, KIN BEG HUBBY IN FUNERAL FIGHT
NY Post ^ | March 28, 2005 | KENNETH LOVETT and LUKAS I. ALPERT

Posted on 03/28/2005 6:43:57 AM PST by NYer

Terri Schiavo's husband is set to inflict what her grieving relatives charge is the final insult: insisting that her body be cremated against their religious wishes — and then buried in his own family's plot.

"They would like to have her body so they can have a Christian Mass and a Christian burial," said Brother Paul O'Donnell, the spiritual adviser to the deeply Roman Catholic family.

"They want their daughter. If they can't have her in life, they would hope he'd have compassion and give her in death."

But Michael Schiavo refused to budge on the extremely emotional issue as his tragic wife lay dying nine days after the courts sided with him and ordered her feeding tube removed.

His lawyer, George Felos, cited one court order earlier this month that granted him the right to cremate her, despite her anguished parents' and siblings' wishes.

"That's what the court has ordered," Felos said. "This was challenged prior to the removal of the feeding tube, and it will happen because that's what the court has ordered."

As with the feeding-tube removal, Mary and Bob Schindler had fought against their son-in-law in his bid to cremate their daughter's body once she dies.

They said they want to bury her in Florida instead of having her cremated and interred in the Schiavo family plot in Pennsylvania.

While O'Donnell appeared to keep his words measured over the simmering dispute, another family spokesman, Randall Terry, was more direct about his feelings for Michael Schiavo.

"He's a despicable swine for doing that," Terry said of Schiavo's cremation plans.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: catholic; cremation; death; felos; funeral; greer; schiavo; schindler; terri
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To: NYer
NOW long ago endorsed this MRS, but its magazine is still called Ms.
21 posted on 03/28/2005 7:20:09 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: All

Just seems so vindictive. If I were his mistress, I would have had second thoughts long before now.


22 posted on 03/28/2005 7:20:37 AM PST by Cloverfarm (Children are a blessing)
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To: NYer

gotta wonder about how all this seems to work like clockwork.


23 posted on 03/28/2005 7:22:34 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: NYer

gotta wonder about how all this seems to work like clockwork.


24 posted on 03/28/2005 7:22:38 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: Theodore R.

Michael Schiavo's actions are motivated by spite. He hasn't had Terri's best interest in mind from day one. It's my opinion that he thought he'd be able to pocket the malpractice money if he could just get her to die. The Schindler's threw a monkey wrench in his plans when they took steps through the courts to keep Terri alive. As time went on and Michael saw his nest egg dwindle through lawyer's fees, his hostility and anger towards the Schindler's increased tenfold. The final spiteful act, besides murdering Terri, is having her remains cremated and placed in his family's cemetery plot in Pennsylvania. Since he hasn't been a regular visitor while she's been alive, I can hardly fathom him visiting her after her death. His goal is vindictiveness by denying the Schindler's their daughter in both life and death, because they denied him his moola.


25 posted on 03/28/2005 7:26:48 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: NYer
IF NOT IN LIFE, GIVE US TERRI IN DEATH,

Not on their lives. He is afraid of something being found out. I will be utterly shocked if he allows this. He's going to say "OK I already gave in on the communion thing, what more do they want? They're still being unreasonable! I'm clean and pure as the wind driven snow!"

26 posted on 03/28/2005 7:28:30 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: NYer

I know this is biased, but I truly believe MS is an rotten human being that needs to avoid lightening storms for the rest of his life.


27 posted on 03/28/2005 7:28:36 AM PST by najida (The older I get, the more I hate gravity.)
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To: NYer
I would love to see an opinion poll on this question:

Terri Schiavo's estranged husband has ordered her body immediately cremated, with no autopsy, against her parents' pleadings. Do you approve of this?

It must be clear to all by now --even to those who believe that Terri feels nothing-- that Michael Schiavo has been unspeakably cruel to the Schindlers.

Schiavo's cruelty hasn't just manifested itself now, but has been clear over the course of many years.

According to an article in USAToday, the origin of this hatred began when Schiavo and the Schindlers had a major blow-up, soon after the medical settlement money came in.

The Schindlers say that Schiavo, who had promised to use that settlement money for therapy for Terri --and had promised to use it for a house where they would all live and take care of Terri together-- suddenly reneged on those promises.

When Mr. Schindler confronted Schiavo over that, Schiavo reportedly screamed, "You'll never see your daughter again!"

Of course Schiavo was not able to completely carry through on that threat.

But he has made the primary purpose of his life the punishment of the Schindlers for daring to challenge him over their daughter.

Several family acquaintances have described Schiavo a "control freak." What an understatement.

Schiavo must bitterly regret that at least some of this situation has now spun out of his control -- if only in that the case has come under such scrutiny that he can no longer keep all of the truth from coming out.

A tiny bit of justice in this is that Schiavo will never have a moment's peace for the rest of his life.

28 posted on 03/28/2005 7:30:50 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: coconutt2000

< I suspect he just hates his inlaws, and he'd do anything and everything to spite them, including killing their daughter, and then denying them the comfort of seeing to her final rest. >

I suspect that you are exactly right.

MS is lower than pond scum. If he really is doing this out of love and commitment to Terri, does he really think that she would want her parents hurt this way? He doesn't give a flyin' fig about Terri. This is all about MS and what HE wants (whatever the reason).


29 posted on 03/28/2005 7:30:56 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: shhrubbery!

< A tiny bit of justice in this is that Schiavo will never have a moment's peace for the rest of his life. >

Which is why I'm glad he doesn't have a common last name. He will be remembered and recognized.

BTW, does anyone know how long they were married when this "accident" happened?


30 posted on 03/28/2005 7:33:38 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: GOP_Proud
I don't see why everyone keeps insisting he has "the backing of the american people"... when the polls are biased, the questions are biased, the people giving the damned polls are biased, and he has something to hide. If that isn't obvious even to people who normally live under rocks (like those insisting on her "death wishes") then I don't know what IS.

Jeb Bush wants to run for President someday, methinks. I guess I won't be voting in that election :( It's a shame too. Regardless of "political capital", someone has to, or should have, stood up and done the right thing. Not allowed this to continue on and on.
31 posted on 03/28/2005 7:35:18 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (Never Forget the Starvation of Terri Schiavo - Liberal Loonies murdered her.)
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To: lady lawyer
I have a few legal questions for you.

Is there any way for law enforcement to say that they want an autopsy and be able to trump Greer's order for immediate cremation? Greer snubbed a congressional subpoena. He thinks that he is above it all. I would like to see them all in a lot of trouble for this.

Since the conflicts have been brought out in this case, primarily Felos and his firm being financial supporters of Greer. Can Felos and Greer be brought before the Bar's ethics committee and possibly be disbarred?

32 posted on 03/28/2005 7:37:14 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Because your post is addressed to me, it implies that I have said something about "polls". I have not.

In the interest of "fair-play" I always try to address a particular poster with my answer or I address the original poster if my answer is "in general".

Sorry. Forgive me. It's a pet peeve.


33 posted on 03/28/2005 7:38:51 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: GOP_Proud

You were last in the list. I meant to change that to "All" and forgot. :) Wasn't directed at you specifically.


34 posted on 03/28/2005 7:41:19 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (Never Forget the Starvation of Terri Schiavo - Liberal Loonies murdered her.)
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To: TNCMAXQ
The "ulterior motives" brings to mind a question (among oh so many) that I just cannot understand:

In this case, Michael has stated many times that he was offered $10 million to “walk away,” and leave Terri for her family to care for. Let’s look at this:

First, if indeed we accept that he had made some very fine attempts at caring for Terri, and finally felt he could do no more, he could have gone on with his life knowing he did his best. He had made a new life with another woman and children, he truly was not honoring all of his vows to Terri, so why hold onto some “offhanded” comment she “might have made?”

Still, no one would have faulted him and I don't know about others, but I certainly would have taken $10 million dollars, and felt that to not do so would have been senseless. After all, with $10 million the medical cost issue could have been totally resolved, and the U.S would not be paying for her care. MS could have kept $5 million for himself, and put $5 million in a trust fund for Terri’s care. Then, while with her parents as guardians and as therapy was allowed to continue, she might have regained some abilities – i.e. the ability to swallow. She no longer would be "living hooked up to machines," as Michael claimes she mentioned. She could, perhaps, exist without a feeding tube, thus the issue would have become moot. She may have lived a reduced quality of life, but she would be living. It is the feeding tube, and the fact that she (might have) said she did not want to be hooked up to anything to maintain her life that was the main issue with Michael.

The money he could have accepted certainly would have allowed for the best of care for her. Truly that amount of money could have served them both very well.

But, it seems, the thought of this either did not enter Michael’s mind, or - what seems more obvious - is that he determined not to take the chance of her recovering – for some as yet unknown reason, relating possibly to how she came to be in this state in the first place.

If, on the other hand , with her family hand-feeding her, or therapists or nurses, and with therapy she still did not regain that ability to eat, then she could have died a natural death that would have been God’s decision, and not the decision of Michael and the judge.

35 posted on 03/28/2005 7:45:20 AM PST by CitizenM (An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded. Pope John Paul II)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Makes you wonder, if he's got no ulterior motives, why won't he respect the parents' wishes? Gee, what could he be trying to hide?? Argh....

Also make you wonder, if the parents have no ulterior motives, why won't they respect the husband's wishes? Regardless of how you feel about the Terri Schaivo case, it is his wife and Michael has the final say. Otherwise, do you believe parents have a stronger legal voice that a spouse?

36 posted on 03/28/2005 7:54:43 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: NYer
"They want their daughter. If they can't have her in life, they would hope he'd have compassion and give her in death."

After all that has happened I doubt that Schiavo has any compassion left for his inlaws.

37 posted on 03/28/2005 7:58:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I understand and figured such, but, like I said, it's a pet peeve. Usually I leave it alone when no real harm is done, as in this case...don't knnow why I didn't let this one go. I really don't like it when it involves an implied attrition that I would never in my right mind be associated.

Thanks for the acknowledgement.


38 posted on 03/28/2005 7:59:10 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: Theodore R.
And he just wants to "carry out her wishes."

Methinks he just wants to make sure there is no autopsy.

39 posted on 03/28/2005 7:59:26 AM PST by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: austinaero

I, too, have wondered about the complicity of these medical people, but have also wondered about the cops and other law enforcement people who seem perfectly willing to make overtime pay handcuffing little kids who try to cross the line to bring so much as a taste of water to the victim. Were they all pre-screened for objections based on morality and/or conscience? Or were they told that no such objections would keep them from losing their jobs? Or have we all fallen so low that people accept the notion voiced by Reverend Lovejoy on The Simpsons that, "once the government declares something to be no longer illegal, then it's also no longer immoral"?


40 posted on 03/28/2005 8:03:50 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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