Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
"Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago."
says it all right there! (although the date is a bit off)
Why is it that the president's two brothers don't have the same "accent" as gwb?
just wondering........................
Or-ders! Vich must be obeyed at all times!
Looks like someone needs to watch the movie "Judgement at Nuremburg" a few times.
"Looks like someone needs to watch the movie "Judgement at Nuremburg" a few times."
Roger that! Judges were tried and convicted at Nuremburg for, basically, upholding the immoral (crimes against humanity) laws of the Third Reich.
Adolf Eichmann took great pains during his trial in 1962 to explain that he was "just following orders" in coordinating the mass murder of the Jews.
An unjust law is not a real law.
An unjust ruling by a probate judge to starve and dehydrate an innocent woman to death is not a real ruling, and must be resisted.
Governor Bush needs to step up to the plate, and hit Judge Greer out of the park.
TONIGHT.
?...strings....?
?....terms?
?...+ - conditions?
?...'parents'....?
....flip a coin....every minute....month....million years?
I do believe that every high school and college student as well as any government employee, judges and elected officials prior to taking office should watch Holocaust documentaries, some of the old Nazi films, and the 1978 NBC miniseries, "The Holocaust." In addition, the politicos in Washington would also have to visit the Holocaust Museum. Look how we forget.
Come, come. You can't expect Mr. Bush to stick his neck out. It might hurt his political ambitions.
This man too was "Just following orders"
"I joined the Party precisely because it was revolutionary, not because of the ideological stuff." (12/11/45)...."The whole conspiracy idea is cockeyed. We had orders to obey the head of state. We weren't a band of criminals meeting in the woods in the dead of night to plan mass murders...The four real conspirators are missing: The Fuhrer, Himmler, Bormann, and Goebbels."
Goering, Hermann
Reichsmarschall and Luftwaffe (Air Force) Chief; President of Reichstag; Director of "Four Year Plan"
Are ze trainss on time zo?
If you think it's such a great idea, why aren't you down there breaking the law to save Terry. You expect others to do, yet you don't do it.
Are you a good German?
Nuremburg was good for holding the leadership accountable, the officers. I don't honestly know how average soldiers were treated.
I can't believe Jeb pussed out. I know everyone has moral failings, but such men shouldn't be governors.
"One man with courage is a majority" - Jefferson.
Let's see; it consists of Party A and Party B, not necessarily in that order, and the last Party on his/her/its feet owns the other Party.
What about the mass murder of the disabled? and the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Gypsies, and the Christians? We've only just begun.
If Jeb is just following orders, who is giving the orders? I mean it can't be Judge Greer. That's too simple. It's got to be a powerful and sinister cabal.
What about the mass murder of the disabled? and the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Gypsies, and the Christians? We've only just begun.
An analogy:
The US Supreme Court just decided that we couldnt execute juvenile murderers, overriding the lawful state actions to sentence these young murderers to death.
What would you think of a Governor who took the law into his own hands and went to a prison and killed a known murderer who got off the death sentence?
Would you praise him as standing up for justice,
or condemn him as a vigilante who went outside the law and his powers?
As one of my former professors, who has studied the Third Reich for over 30 years, used to say: "People who like to throw out the Nazi accusation are usually closer to the Nazis than those they're accusing."
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One man with courage in the right has the whole thing. - TigersEye
Looks like Keyes, et al, are trying to make their "bones" on the Bush boys. But what's new with that?
"Who the heck said that Twit greer had the right to play God?!"
Whoever put him on the bench. Clearly, courtrooms are the playgrounds now of men with a God complex.
I think the Bush dynasty is over. I won't be voting for any of them again and will make sure I remind everyone I talk to about Shiavo if Govenor Bush decides he wants to run for Pres.
Also, I'll support dumping the current Republican Congressional leadership. Time for a change of the Guard.
No need in fighting the runaway Judicial branch until we have new leadership.
We have a uphill battle ahead of us.
Never Forget !
Signed,
One ex-lifelong Republican
Since it is easy to pull a person out of a situation,
lets start at the beginning. When Terri was having problems ie. bulimia and a wack job husband, her parents
should have pulled her out of it and got her help before
her current situation.
Bush is not the problem so bashing him only serves the DU
and third party types.
Good is Evil and Evil is Good
Are you a good German? Trying to silence the opposition with false shame?
Throw in 'Schindler's List'. It's actually shown in high schools nowadays.
I am sorely disappointed. Since when does a ruling by a low-level judge trump the value of human life? Since when does a low-level judge trump the President, Congress, the governor as required by their oaths to enforce the system of checks and balances. If goodness is not worth fighting for then nothing is. If goodness is not worth dying for then nothing is. When does America start standing up for life?
Constitutional crisis? Certainly!! I'd like to know when the President, the Congress, the governors, and the judiciary are going to start following it.
I thought Jeb Bush might someday make good presidential material. I'm beginning to have serious doubts.
Jeb Bush is Catholic? Did he convert to his wife's faith?
From the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (to which I subscribe):
Chapter 24: Of the Civil Magistrate
1._____ God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, hath ordained civil magistrates to be under him, over the people, for his own glory and the public good; and to this end hath armed them with the power of the sword, for defence and encouragement of them that do good, and for the punishment of evil doers.
( Romans 13:1-4 )
2._____ It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of a magistrate when called there unto; in the management whereof, as they ought especially to maintain justice and peace, according to the wholesome laws of each kingdom and commonwealth, so for that end they may lawfully now, under the New Testament wage war upon just and necessary occasions.
( 2 Samuel 23:3; Psalms 82:3, 4; Luke 3:14 )
3._____ Civil magistrates being set up by God for the ends aforesaid; subjection, in all lawful things commanded by them, ought to be yielded by us in the Lord, not only for wrath, but for conscience sake; and we ought to make supplications and prayers for kings and all that are in authority, that under them we may live a quiet and peaceable life, in all godliness and honesty.
( Romans 13:5-7; 1 Peter 2:17; 1 Timothy 2:1, 2 )
This basically says the Bible teaches it is the magistrate that is ordained by God, "to this end hath armed them with the power of the sword, for defence and encouragement of them that do good, and for the punishment of evil doers."
President Bush is the Chief Magistrate in this country, Governor Bush in Florida. It is their God given responsibility to act not individuals.
When you think about it, there are a lot of people taking this "just following orders" excuse. For now, they will probably get away with it.
BTW My two brothers and myself live in 3 different states (Fl. Md. W.Va.) and after 15 years the difference is noticable.
Stopping Terri's death would be defending and unalienable right of hers. What unalienable right or Constitutional prohibition would your bizarre scenario serve?
Are you a good German? Trying to silence the opposition with false shame?
Meaningless response. The question remains.
It feels like I've entered an alternate universe here........how many trolls do you suppose are among these good 'freepers?'
In addition to ordering the Governor not to take Terri into custody, the judge ordered that no one try to give water or food to Terri, and stated that if they did, they'd be arrested and held in conempt of court.
What I want to know is this: Did you get yourself arrested and held in contempt of court, or were you also "just following orders?"
Ernst Janning had great credentials too.
And look who's feeding the unappeasables.
See U.S. Constitution for the president's legal responsibilities.
President Bush is the Chief Magistrate in this country, Governor Bush in Florida. It is their God given responsibility to act not individuals.
As individuals we are all responsible to act.
Germans had no courts, they had a dictatorship. You are being unfair and rediculous.
Jeb would have to overcome both state and federal judges that voted NO.
You don't see Congress doing much more than leaving it with the courts either.
I think the Congress does need to further restrict judicial powers. Judges come off as King George right now to me.
They just showed a feature on the local news about Terri Schaivo, complete with video of her, awake and blinking her eyes, and smiling and appearing responsive. My 13-year-old son asked me what was the deal? I told him that the woman's husband wanted to kill her and the judge and the courts said, "Sure, go ahead. We'll make sure it happens."
My son just laughed like I was joking.
I then also explained that the Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, didn't have the guts to do anything about it because he was afraid to make a county probate judge angry. My son is very confused about all this and all I could tell him was, "It's sick out there and getting sicker."
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