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Is hospice industry part of the right-to-die crusade?
CFP ^ | March 29, 2005 | Judi McLeod

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:33:03 AM PST by MikeEdwards

"The force that created today’s hospice also propels the right-to-die movement." George Felos made that statement in his book, Litigation as a Spiritual Practice.

Felos, a self-styled dying-with-dignity crusader and attorney for Michael Schiavo has a right to his beliefs; a right to lobby and campaign for the death culture.

Funded, in part by federal tax dollars and having earned a reputation as the best among available end-of-life options, the hospice industry should play no role in the right-to-die crusade.

Patient care and not politics should be the focus of hospice administrators, board members and caregivers.

George Felos is best known for winning Guardianship of Browning, a landmark case on the so-called right to refuse or have withdrawn unwanted medical treatment.

According to Sharon Tubbs (St. Petersburg Times, May 25, 2001), "After the Browning case, Felos became a volunteer for the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, sitting and talking with terminally ill patients."

In time he was to become a member of the hospice board of directors.

During the past decade, Felos has been legal counsel for about 10 right-to-die cases.

The yoga practitioner and believer of reincarnation admits he is "exhilarated" to see himself on television. "Some of my best quotes appear on the editorial page," he has boasted.

Felos offended some by describing the dying Terri Schindler Schiavo as "beautiful" on national television last Saturday, and was insisting as late as last night that Terri’s death did not appear "imminent" to him.

It is not the first time the attorney has used uncomely rhetoric to describe a dying patient caught up in a right-to-die court case.

Felos claims he made "soul talk" with a dying Estelle Browning. . . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: felos; george; hospice; shiavo; terri

1 posted on 03/29/2005 8:33:04 AM PST by MikeEdwards
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To: MikeEdwards

It would certainly improve their turnover and therefore their profits.


2 posted on 03/29/2005 8:37:02 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: MikeEdwards

One major condition of hospice is that a doctor determines you are terminal within six months. Terri does not meet that condition and never should have been in a legitimate hospice.


3 posted on 03/29/2005 8:37:13 AM PST by tioga
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To: MikeEdwards

I don't think that Hospice started out this way.


4 posted on 03/29/2005 8:38:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tioga

Agree completely.


5 posted on 03/29/2005 8:39:05 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MikeEdwards
Is hospice industry part of the right-to-die crusade.........

Hush-hush,.........super,... 'black on black',... secret.........room '101'... ACTION '1984'......

ACLU-ABA-AMA-NEA investments......$$$$$$

:-(

/extreme sarcasm

6 posted on 03/29/2005 8:40:43 AM PST by maestro
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To: MikeEdwards
"The force that created today’s hospice also propels the right-to-die movement."

Remarkable. The actual and God awful truth of the whole situation from the DEVIL'S ADVOCATE!

(If I may be so presumptuous as to call a scheming, death cult lawyer the Devil's advocate).

7 posted on 03/29/2005 8:41:19 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: MikeEdwards
dying-with-dignity
killing-with-impunity

Fixed.
8 posted on 03/29/2005 8:41:20 AM PST by Borges
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To: MikeEdwards
felos is nothing but a ghoulish little rodent that needs to be seriously investigated along with his demonic buddies schiavo and greer.

i wouldn't believe in a million years that being starved and dehydrated to death was terri's "wishes". BRAVO SIERRA.

9 posted on 03/29/2005 8:42:41 AM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: UCANSEE2

Let's not get off track here with negative remarks about the hospice movement. For those of us who have had a close relative in a situation for no improvement and impending death, the hospice is a godsend. And the people who work there are angles of mercy. Thank You Very Much!


10 posted on 03/29/2005 8:47:27 AM PST by Auntie Toots (From One who's been there.)
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To: Salvation
I don't think that Hospice started out this way.

None of them did.

Just like Nightclubs and Bars. They didn't start off being centers of prostitution and drug abusers.

There was in incremental creep,where GREED and LUST attracted those with no moral conscious, who came in and took advantage to maximize profits.

Organized crime. Felos,Greer, Greer's wife, Shames, all the others, addicted to the profit, still on the leash to organized crime, and they take the brunt of the public outcry while the true owners go unnoticed. Greer and Felos are there to make everything LEGAL and ABOVE BOARD and PUBLICLY ACCEPTED.

11 posted on 03/29/2005 8:47:56 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: MikeEdwards
I disagree with Felos' assessment of hospice. In order for hospice to step in, the patient must decide to forego anymore curative treatment.

Thereafter, the responsibility of hospice is to make the patient comfortable during his or her final days. They also provide services which allow stressed out family members to rest from constant caregiving activity. My hospice nurse was wonderful. She even stayed with me for several hours after the death of my loved one just so I was not alone and helped me make arrangemnets with the funeral home. I don't know what I would have done without her or our little CNA. Yes, I would imagine that there are people with questionable ethics involved in hospice (obviously Felos is one of them), but I would recommend hospice for anyone in their last days.

12 posted on 03/29/2005 8:48:45 AM PST by sageb1
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To: MikeEdwards

Deserved or not, their association with Felos and the death merchants of the "right-to-die" movement, will not improve their image. I'm beginning to think of them as death camps for the disabled.


13 posted on 03/29/2005 8:50:12 AM PST by MisterRepublican (Grand Ayatollah George Greer (PBUH) has declared jihad against the disabled.)
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To: sageb1

I agree, (and sorry for your loss).

Hospice was a tremendous help. In fact, I don't know how I would have coped without them. The nurses were angels.


14 posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:00 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs
They also provided us with a social worker and a priest and had volunteers who called every few days to see if they could help in any way - like doing a load of laundry or dishes, or simply sit so I could run necessary errands.

I'm sorry for your loss as well and I am very glad that hospice was there to help you.

15 posted on 03/29/2005 9:05:29 AM PST by sageb1
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To: MikeEdwards
Some may be. The Hospice Foundation has links to the Compassion in dying website aka:Hemlock Foundation. The Hemlock Foundation has been cleaning up their name. Google Hemlock and it goes to the same website.
16 posted on 03/29/2005 9:15:40 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Auntie Toots
Let's not get off track here with negative remarks about the hospice movement.

(well, it will happen anyway, but)

The 'movement' I am talking about is the one made by 'some' of the public.

The ones who want out of the responsibility, both parents work, can't take care of grandma, put her in a nursing home, can't afford grandpa, put him in a nursing home.

These are the realities we have to deal with in our lives.

This 'movement' away from family home care to NURSING HOMES, to DEATH HOSPICE'S (and there is no negative connotation in that name, that is what they are, a place for the terminally ill to have skilled medical care until their passing), is what we are doing as a nation, and what we must be very very careful about.

There are those who would take advantage of the dying to make a profit, and VULTURES gather round the smell of death.

Is this HOSPICE one that has succumbed to the GREED FACTOR?

I think so.

Does that mean that all HOSPICE's have? Absolutely not.

IS THIS A WAKEUP MESSAGE to the rest of AMERICA and those HOSPICES? ABSOLUTELY!

17 posted on 03/29/2005 9:29:54 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: tioga

"One major condition of hospice is that a doctor determines you are terminal within six months. Terri does not meet that condition and never should have been in a legitimate hospice"

I have heard this before but cannot find a source on a Hospice website that confirms this.
Are hospices governed by the same body?
Must they all follow the same guidelines?
How do we find out the conditions that must be met for admittance at any given hospice?

From what I've read - Terri should not have spent years and years at this hospice.
I've read this is a federally funded hospice so medicare/medicaid is picking up the bill instead of dear hubby.

Do you have any sources regarding this?
Thank you


18 posted on 03/29/2005 9:31:37 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: maestro
Is hospice industry part of the right-to-die crusade.........

Only to the extent that our laws, and our 'ignorance' of the situation allows organized crime to make a profit in that industry. The more 'legal wiggle room' for profit, the more involvement of the RIGHT-TO-DIE.

I would like to make this point, as well. RIGHT-TO-DIE is not the true name of this 'culture'.

IT is RIGHT-TO-PROFIT-FROM-YOUR-DEATH.

19 posted on 03/29/2005 9:33:00 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: MikeEdwards

And another killer whale is loose in society.


20 posted on 03/29/2005 9:33:05 AM PST by Ibredd
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To: tioga

Title XVIII section 1861(dd). This is the law that that Dept. of Health and Human Services is using to prosecute Sunshine Hospice, Inc.


21 posted on 03/29/2005 9:43:36 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Scotswife

Federal regulations regarding Medicare patients and hospices:

http://www.hospicepatients.org/law.html

Page with links, including "Hospice Standards of Care":

http://www.hospicepatients.org/maintopics.html


22 posted on 03/29/2005 9:47:52 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: wideawake; MikeEdwards
It would certainly improve their turnover and therefore their profits.

Not to mention the potential 'Baby Boomer' generation soon to be flooding their gates (their hope, not mine) adding to their revenue coupled with the Gen X & Gen Y smaller population group and potential critical shortage of worker's needed to operate the facility, not just as caregivers but all levels of operation, the death wish group could 'solve' this troubling 'problem' by euthanasia, all the while preserving or even boosting their income stream and revenues. Ugh. It's all about the money. Why shouldn't they (sarcasm) want to cash in on some of that bounty that the abortion industry rakes in?

The Romans did themselves in with leaded wine glasses and excesses of all kinds. We have the excesses and death industries to potentially finish us off.

23 posted on 03/29/2005 10:01:31 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: UCANSEE2
My boyfriend and I had hospice in our own home for the last weeks before he died. My father decided to ask for hospice while he was in the hospital about 3 weeks before he died. While I agree with you that society has taken an unhealthy turn toward giving up personal, intergenerational family care, we must be careful about where we place the blame.

I could sit here and type all day about how I believe most of society's problems have been caused by the feminists. For instance, ever since women entered the workforce en masse in the 80's, we have seen an increase in the number of our elderly who have been placed in nursing homes by families too busy to care for their own.

Hospice, in my opinion, is completely different. It serves a need by those who have decided that they no longer want to fight to beat whatever disease is killing them. We had one hospice nurse who had, herself, just been diagnosed with inoperable cancer. She told us point blank that she had decided that there was no way she was going to put herself through course after course of radiation and chemotherapy because she had seen what that had done to so many (including us). Whatever she eventually decided to do is unknown to me. We never saw this particular nurse again. But, the point is, that she decided for herself how she would handle her illness and that was her right.

24 posted on 03/29/2005 10:16:46 AM PST by sageb1
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To: wideawake
It would certainly improve their turnover and therefore their profits.

Hospices get paid for their services by the day. Hastening a patient's death would be counterproductive and decrease their profits.

25 posted on 03/29/2005 10:25:35 AM PST by SC DOC
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To: SC DOC
Hospices get paid for their services by the day. Hastening a patient's death would be counterproductive and decrease their profits.

Depends on what services they are providing. If they could gauge exactly how long each stay is, maximize revenue from a short stay and multiple the number of patients the increase in cash flow could fund expansion.

26 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:02 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: MikeEdwards

Hospice, or at least the idea, is NOT part of the "right to die industry." That "hospice" in Florida is not working correctly, unless they were under the impression that Terri would die in the usual allotted time.

There's something fishy about that facility. Wonder who owns it, who is on the board of directors, and who funds it?


27 posted on 03/29/2005 10:31:14 AM PST by madison10
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To: tioga

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/795216/posts

Answer to my own question. FELOS was/is on the board of the hospice. How convenient.

This whole issue with Terri reads like a horror novel.


28 posted on 03/29/2005 10:35:29 AM PST by madison10
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To: MikeEdwards

My experience with hospice has been positive. They help terminal patients and their families with the death process in a very caring way. Their purpose isn't to help prolong someone's life and has never been advertised as such.

This was underscored to me when my father-in-law was in the end stages of cancer. The hospice workers came to the house to talk to the family. We were considering using an alternative treatment to try to prolong his life. The hospice workers said they would not accept him in their care if there were attempts to prolong his life.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 11:07:49 AM PST by nicolezmomma
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Thank you very much, that is exactly what I was looking for.


30 posted on 03/29/2005 11:08:51 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: nicolezmomma
All readers of this BLOG should take the time to reread the initial post. It was a factual and excellent description of the "Hospice Program" This idiot in Florida does not represent the Hospice Program in any way shape or manner and in fact should be thrown off the board for his grandstanding and false information he has been putting out. Please remember that one rotten apple in a barrel does not mean the whole barrel is rotten. This Jerk and I use the term very seldom but he really fits it well, should be shown to be the phony he is.

Squire Eaton
31 posted on 03/29/2005 11:22:20 AM PST by Squire Eaton
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To: madison10; NicknamedBob

Perhaps someone could write a novel from the perspective of Terri. It would indeed be a horror novel.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 11:27:39 AM PST by tioga
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To: Squire Eaton

You are right, my comments weren't appropriate to the post.


33 posted on 03/29/2005 11:31:00 AM PST by nicolezmomma
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To: tioga
"...write a novel from the perspective of Terri."

There are a number of problems with this concept.

1) One would be seen as trying to "cash in" on the tragedy.
2) It presupposes something that has been argued to death, (excuse the phrase), and not resolved -- whether Terri had awareness of her surroundings.
3) It is terribly depressing. I would have difficulty dealing with my emotions before I had completed six chapters.
4) No one would believe that human beings could be so venal and cruel.
5) Terri's perspective is surprisingly limited. Even assuming she had full cognitive function, she was kept well out of the loop of information. Although the very epicenter of everything that was happening, she was always the last one to know.
6) The more I learn about this, the angrier I get. This is not good for my mental health.



The only way I would touch a literary project like this would be if I could re-write the ending, a la "The Lovely Bones", where a terrible tragedy is the beginning of the story.

Then I would relate how the worms of karma and hubris would conspire against the conspirators, and how every effort they make after this dreadful act of vindictive malevolence would prove futile and negative.

I would bring them locusts of bad luck, plagues of annoying coincidences, and floods of assailing doubt and regret. Bad dreams would be their every somnolent companion.

Their financial endeavors would fall to ruin, their friends and families would abandon them, their health would fail. Their "Lot" in life would become one of abject misery and pain.

And they would know, beyond doubt, where this tribulation got its start. From their ghoulish and parasitic decision to milk every drop of goodness from an innocent girl.
34 posted on 03/29/2005 5:34:41 PM PST by NicknamedBob (They did NOT win. --They chose Death, and they will have it. -- We choose Life, and we will have it.)
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To: NicknamedBob

won't even consider it, huh? I'm sure your next novel will be intriguing, whether this or anything else you choose to write about.


35 posted on 03/29/2005 8:59:19 PM PST by tioga
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