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Court Case Could Rewrite Copyright Rules
Associated Press, via Yahoo News ^ | March 29, 2005 | TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:06 AM PST by TommyDale

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To: eno_
Might as well heavily regulate (or make illegal) all other vices as well. What possible use could alcoholic beverages be? Creates a serious health problem, addiction, car accidents with no benefit. And there is tobacco. And firearms are dangerous too. What about fast food? And the list goes on until the government is in every aspect of our lives.

Sounds like less freedom to me. No thank you!
141 posted on 03/30/2005 12:23:49 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: RobRoy

Agreed. He'd be a lot happier on DU if he actually believed what he was writing.


142 posted on 03/30/2005 12:26:47 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Logophile
Why would anyone pay for a book if he can get it free?

Because I can't take a computer with me to a quiet diner and read the book. Besides, I like turning pages. :)

143 posted on 03/30/2005 12:32:14 PM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: TommyDale
If they sold the CDs at the fair market price of around $7 to $8, they would see a huge increase in sales. Up to now, they are ripping us off.

This is the crux of the issue. The average joe with a home computer knows that it costs mere pennies to burn a cd. Nobody wants to pay $18 for a cd that they know damn well only costs the company a half dollar to make and distribute.

144 posted on 03/30/2005 12:34:51 PM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: JenB
Or John Ringo - I love military SF but most of it's so bad, but when I read his "Hymn Before Battle" online, I went out and bought the whole series, including the one I could have just read for free.

John Ringo is awesome. He got me hooked on Sluggy Freelance, too.

Time to die, Posleen-boy!

145 posted on 03/30/2005 12:41:58 PM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: Terabitten

I have found that using Kazaa, Ares and Limewire to get music can be quite time consuming. It really isn't even fun for me. But I am in a cover band and sometimes need to download a lot of "sample" songs to learn them. The funny thing is that I own copies of most of the songs, but I need to compile them in one folder on my computer that I then use in my studio for playing along. The easiest and fastest way to do this is to search the songs out, download them and then send them to a file and use Winamp to create a songlist.


I also use Kazaa to sample music. I must admit I have not bought a CD since the 20th century, and most of the ones I bought in the last five years of that century were used. Recorded music is just a cheap commodity to me. And that perception is directly gotten from being able to download reasonable quality music from the internet.

And that is the REAL problem with music file sharing: Kids (the lions share of the business) do not percieve recorded music as something of much monetary value. Therefore, they don't buy it.

The times and culture, they are a changin'.


146 posted on 03/30/2005 12:44:20 PM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: Terabitten

Hah, I went the other way around - Torg was reading a John Ringo book one day and I had to find out who he was...


147 posted on 03/30/2005 12:45:50 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Torg? Reading a John Ringo book? Torg? *READING* a book?


148 posted on 03/30/2005 12:57:58 PM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: Terabitten

He was, I swear! I think it was around the time of the evil-moths!


149 posted on 03/30/2005 1:34:20 PM PST by JenB
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To: Terabitten

Here it is, a mere two days after the introduction of emergency pants:

http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=020410


150 posted on 03/30/2005 1:38:58 PM PST by JenB
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To: Logophile
Whenever this topic has come up before, I have asked how my rights will be protected if unlimited downloading is allowed. Why would anyone pay for a book if he can get it free? I have yet to hear a good answer from the "Information wants to be free" folks.

So, you don't let public libraries lend out your books, right?

151 posted on 03/30/2005 1:44:21 PM PST by Kretek
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So, you don't let public libraries lend out your books, right?

I previously addressed this issue. (I believe it was Post #24.) Briefly, the library pays for its copy of my book; the library lends it out, but only to one person at a time; and if someone wants his own copy of the book, he has to buy it.

Downloading is different. It is as if the library were to print unlimited copies of the book to give away, without paying royalties to the copyright holder.

Don't you see why an author might object to the latter arrangement?

152 posted on 03/30/2005 2:51:30 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Terabitten
Why would anyone pay for a book if he can get it free? . . . Because I can't take a computer with me to a quiet diner and read the book. Besides, I like turning pages. :)

I agree with you: I much prefer reading an ink-on-paper document rather than an electronic one. But book in this context could mean either one. So the question remains: If you could get a book, why would you pay?

153 posted on 03/30/2005 3:01:06 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
Oops. That should read: If you could get a book free, why would you pay?
154 posted on 03/30/2005 3:03:21 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
Oops. That should read: If you could get a free book (of either form), why would you pay?
155 posted on 03/30/2005 3:04:37 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile

It has been a long day. Time to go home.


156 posted on 03/30/2005 3:06:06 PM PST by Logophile
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To: TommyDale
Theodore Olson, the former U.S. solicitor general hired by the entertainment companies, said the threshold for liability "is so high that basically if there's any conceivable legitimate use of the system it passes the test. That standard has got to be rejected. Yes, I know what I just said is crap, but I'm being paid a hell of a lot of money to say it."

There, it's fixed.

157 posted on 03/30/2005 3:16:31 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Logophile
Briefly, the library pays for its copy of my book; the library lends it out, but only to one person at a time; and if someone wants his own copy of the book, he has to buy it.

Kinko's.

Don't you see why an author might object to the latter arrangement?

What do you say to the Baen Free Library? Granted, they chose to put their works up there for copying.

158 posted on 03/30/2005 6:03:33 PM PST by Kretek
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To: Kretek
Kinko's.

Actually, I seem to recall that Kinko's lost a lawsuit over copyrighted material. If I am not mistaken, that is one reason they no longer provide university course packets.

At the moment, at least, Kinko's is no serious threat to book copyrights. Photocopying an entire book is time-consuming and fairly costly; the copy is usually inferior to the original. (Nevertheless, as I mentioned earlier, some students will photocopy textbooks if they are expensive enough.)

That could all change with the wide availability of e-books and digital color printers/copiers. Then it would be easy to download and print a book that would differ from the original only in the quality of the binding.

What do you say to the Baen Free Library? Granted, they chose to put their works up there for copying.

Yes, we discussed Baen earlier. They have an interesting business model that I will be watching closely. Baen is not simply giving away free books as a public service; they are in business to make a profit. By offering free downloads of the initial novel (or two) in a series, they hope to entice buyers to pay for the rest of the series. And it appears they may turn a profit that way. Whether this model will work with textbooks or other nonfiction remains to be seen.

159 posted on 03/30/2005 6:57:13 PM PST by Logophile
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