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Court Case Could Rewrite Copyright Rules
Associated Press, via Yahoo News ^ | March 29, 2005 | TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:06 AM PST by TommyDale

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To: Veto!

The problem is not with the concept that musicians and recording companies deserve to be paid. The question is how.

I'm convinced that some new method of distribution will be invented. At the moment I suspect that record companies or distributers will eventually sell licenses directly to internet providers and allow unlimited "free" downloads of compressed music files to the customers of licensed internet providers. Royalties will be distributed based on the number of downloads.

It will also be necessary to produce enhanced products that have file sizes too large for internet downloads. People with good sound or multimedia systems will have to pay for hard copies, which will be encrypted.


21 posted on 03/29/2005 10:03:23 AM PST by js1138 (Omne ignotum pro magnifico)
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To: TommyDale

I am not sure how I feel about the court taking this case.
It bothers me when the court takes a case on new technology and most of these people can barely understand how a computer works.
Although I understand it concerns principles of law rather than the mechanics of how a computer works I would feel better if those handling these complex issues at least inderstood the basics of the Internet and how it works.


22 posted on 03/29/2005 10:05:29 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: TommyDale
Most of the stuff I have are on vinyl or cassette. I have already paid for it but can't convert it. I'm tired of paying for everything 2 and 3 times.
23 posted on 03/29/2005 10:06:43 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (My tag line was censored.)
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To: TN Prof
Books have been available for free for years -- at the public library. One the occasions when I do buy one instead of checking it out from the library, I pass it on to family and friends when I have finished reading it.

Both you and the library bought your copies. Anyone wanting to read your copy of the book has to wait until you finish with it. Anyone who wants his own copy of the book has to buy it.

Suppose, however, that you or the library could simply print an unlimited number of copies of the book and give them away. Would the author see a dime of royalties from those additional copies?

24 posted on 03/29/2005 10:09:08 AM PST by Logophile
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To: js1138
The encryption is the problem. It's very very hard to encrypt something in that fashion for a length of time. Basically because you are dealing with a static Key for the decryption. They might be able to come up with something extra complicated where you CD player needs to plug into the net to get a key but that will be resisted. Even if it's not what is going to stop people from "low-teching" it and just putting a regular microphone up to the speakers and pressing the record button?
25 posted on 03/29/2005 10:10:18 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: peyton randolph
I'm a published author too. Take a look at Seth Godin's works. Freely distributed ebook format. People (including me) still buy the dead tree versions of Godin's books after looking at the ebooks. Co-authoring a book right now that will have a free ebook version. The money is in the upsell to additional products and services (seminars/videos, etc.), not the books. Note that this works for nonfiction. I have done no research on fiction. I suspect it is a whole different ballgame.

I write college-level textbooks. Although it is hard to see how your model would work for my books, I will look into it.

26 posted on 03/29/2005 10:13:58 AM PST by Logophile
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To: tfecw

I think in a few years that music will be a mass commodity like television that will be distributed like cable or satellite TV. You pay for connection to the hose and someone at the other end distributes the royalties.

That will take care of compressed files. There will always be a market for premium products.

I can see paying a premium directly to your internet provider, like getting HBO, that will allow you access to unlimited music downloads. When the product gets cheap enough, convenient will be better than free.


27 posted on 03/29/2005 10:16:42 AM PST by js1138 (Omne ignotum pro magnifico)
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To: Veto!
Interesting that you mention Barnes and Noble, they have a "marketing" model that lets me read a book completely for free while I sip lattes in their Starbucks. What does that do for author royalties?

The whole nature of intellectual property is being radically transformed by technology in a way that has not been seen since Gutenberg invented moveable type. The SCOTUS can't even hope to stand in its way, it would be like trying to declare void the law of gravity.

28 posted on 03/29/2005 10:18:10 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
Most of the stuff I have are on vinyl or cassette. I have already paid for it but can't convert it. I'm tired of paying for everything 2 and 3 times.

Record your albums on cassette tapes, then use this:

The BTO PlusDeck2 fits in a 5.25" PC drive slot and comes with the software needed to convert your old tapes to .mp3 files, and can also record .mp3 music files to cassettes. The latter is nice if you have an older car with a tape player.

29 posted on 03/29/2005 10:20:34 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: TN Prof

I just noticed your tagline (Free Books!). I do hope you are aware that there is no such thing as a free book, if by "free" you mean "without cost." Any book worth reading costs someone to produce. The question is, who will pay the cost?


30 posted on 03/29/2005 10:21:42 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Veto!

Pay for performance is the answer. That is why "less famous" performers are all for the P2P but "more famous" tend to be against it.

Pavaroti earns income every time he performs in a concert. That is as it should be. I am a musician myself and one of the first things I learned is that a record contract with a big label is not the kind of future to which a musician should aspire.

Record contracts with large labels are almost identical to another icon of our culture: The lottery ticket.

Working musicians by the thousands have discovered a very nicely paying alternative to the big label lottery.


31 posted on 03/29/2005 10:22:38 AM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: baltodog

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But, I have no sympathy for an industry that has literally dictated what we listen to, to not have seen this issues coming from a mile away, at the first onset of the internet.

You know why the indie label artists like the internet? It's because it is the only way to get money and airplay from an industry that would normally scoff them.

There is a huge amount of talent out there that is not being heard because of the current state of the industry. I'm on the side of the downloaders.<<

What you said! And, FWIW, I am a musician as well.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 10:23:34 AM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: tfecw
(i think this has been changed. I'm being a terrible geek by not remembering the correct sizes)

No, you'd be a terrible geek if you did remember the correct sizes. 8^>

33 posted on 03/29/2005 10:25:14 AM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: RobRoy
Hahah i stand corrected :) *closes google search on dvd sizes*
34 posted on 03/29/2005 10:26:29 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: TommyDale
Don Henley, Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks and other musicians are backing the major recording labels, saying their livelihoods are threatened if millions of people can obtain their songs for nothing.

We already can, it's called radio.
35 posted on 03/29/2005 10:28:14 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: js1138
A few years ago I told my kids that recorded music was going to become the equivalent of the free toy in a happy meal. That is, it would be offered for free to sell something else. Two years later, 7-11 was offering free music in the form of a cd in the lid of a soft drink. Of course, it's all marketing.

Musicians are going the way of professional athletes. And athletes do not make a major portion of their income from selling tapes of games. They make it from actually playing live. That and periferal stuff like shoe endorsements. Music is going the same way quickly.

36 posted on 03/29/2005 10:29:10 AM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Why can't you convert it? I have converted hundreds LPs and Cassettes. Granted, cassettes are easier to convert, with far less hiss and no scratches. Still, I've been doing it for years.


37 posted on 03/29/2005 10:32:47 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: Veto!
"I can see it both ways on music, which is hypocritical of me, I admit. I've worked in book publishing all my life and know how important those copyright safeguards are to authors, who work for at least a year and often much longer just to finish one book. They rely on royalties to compensate them for their time, which may take more years. Few writers write bestselling books that bring in top dollar."

Ok, but why should these people get to protect their work longer than someone who get a patent on some widget that they worked on for years. I will cut the entertainment industry some slack when copyrights and patents have the same shelf life.

38 posted on 03/29/2005 10:32:58 AM PST by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: tfecw
"I've heard arguments that People who download cd's and music wouldn't have bought them in the first place."

I've downloaded SONGS and THEN bought the artist's entire CD - of which 40-50% of a few was noise - not music.

39 posted on 03/29/2005 10:35:24 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: RobRoy
They make it from actually playing live. That and periferal stuff like shoe endorsements. Music is going the same way quickly.

I would agree, but personally I have never enjoyed a live concert of any kind. Don't like the stuffiness of classical concerts, don't like the crappy sound of rock concerts. I like having control of what I hear and when, and how loud.

40 posted on 03/29/2005 10:35:46 AM PST by js1138 (Omne ignotum pro magnifico)
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