Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Court Case Could Rewrite Copyright Rules
Associated Press, via Yahoo News ^ | March 29, 2005 | TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:06 AM PST by TommyDale

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 141-159 next last
To: BikerNYC
"software in them to prevent copies from being made?" A file on a computer is more likely to be lost than an album or CD. Computers crash. A person may have a hundred dollars worth of songs on a computer. All files on a computer should be backed up... copied.

An example: Sony came out with a memory stick player a few years ago. It was a very nice product. Unfortunately, after reading the fine print I discovered that it didn't play MP3s. This was part of Sony's effort to control piracy. I took it back.

A couple years later, Apple released their Ipod. It played mp3s and stored a lot of them.

Read an article the other day about how Sony regretted missing the Ipod opportunity and were going to try to recapture the market.

Moral: give your customers what they want or they or the competition will figure out how to get it/provide it.
61 posted on 03/29/2005 11:33:39 AM PST by dhs12345
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: zeugma
Have you ever checked out the Baen Free Library? They publish a bunch of their books on their website for free download by anyone who wants them. Baen found that by making the books available for free on the internet, sales of their books increased dramatically.

Baen publishes fiction. I write nonfiction, specifically textbooks. It would be interesting to see if the same model would work for both. Would students buy my books if they could download them without paying for them?

Note that many of the novels that Baen publishes are part of a series. Baen does not put the entire series online for free download, but only the first one or two books in the series. Why do you suppose they do that instead of making the entire series available? Could it be that they are not confident that people would pay for them?

62 posted on 03/29/2005 11:34:14 AM PST by Logophile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: JenB
I believe that Jim Baen freely admits he has no heart. :-) I'm in the same situation as you. Haven't really read Ringo yet, but I really like most of the stuff Weber does, and have been especially drawn to the 1633 series, which I first read for free on a PDA.
63 posted on 03/29/2005 11:35:54 AM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: dhs12345

Assuming you are telling the truth, so few people really need that big a hard disk that their use could be licensed, kind of like an FFL. That would help keep the bad element out.

And what legitimate legal use do you have for a car that can go twice the speed limit? Observing you driving that kind of vehicle is, of itself, probable cause to suspect that you will commit a criminal speeding violation (as opposed to a mere civil infraction).

Without order and obedience of the law there is no freedom.


64 posted on 03/29/2005 11:36:40 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

I don't like Weber's Harrington series at all - but if you do, check out Lois McMaster Bujold's (much better) Miles Vorkosigan series.

Ringo's "A Hymn Before Battle" and "Gust Front" were great, the sequels are fun but not quite as powerful IMO.

Heh, those "free" books have cost me more money in recent years...


65 posted on 03/29/2005 11:38:52 AM PST by JenB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Veto!

which is why book publishers have been hestant to adopt a uniform standard for mass distribution of ebooks.


66 posted on 03/29/2005 11:39:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Logophile
They put more of the series out as time goes on. When I bought the hardback of War of Honor, it contained the entire series (along with about 30 other books) on a disk that is marked as being freely available for copying and distribution.

Also with textbooks, I would think having an electronic copy would help somewhat for convienience, but you can't hardly mark one up the way one would a dead-tree edition. I think the two technologies complement each other.

67 posted on 03/29/2005 11:41:29 AM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: eno_

Are you serious about putting limits of hard drives? That's ridiculous.... even if I didn't need the space for "legitimate" uses, why shouldn't I have it?

Here's a gray area for you: I don't download movies or music, I download unlicensed anime - that is, no one in this country have the rights to it. Three years from now when a series I like finally is licensed and released, I buy the dvds. Am I permitted to have a 30-gig hard drive, master? I use ten of that for school-related stuff and will probably have to double my capacity once I start my thesis...


68 posted on 03/29/2005 11:41:51 AM PST by JenB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: TommyDale

ZANZ KANT DANZ (J.C. Fogerty)

CHORUS:
Zanz can't dance, but he'll steal your money,
Watch him or he'll rob you blind. (X 4)

CHORUS

Out in the street a crowd is gatherin',
Pushed down by the heat of the building, they're wantin' to dance.
Makin' their way up the street, a boy with a pig and a radio;
Little Billy can work on the crowd, put 'em into a trance,
For the little pig Zanz.

CHORUS

You're watchin' 'em dance, not a care in the world;
So Billy and Zanz get busy, they're makin' their move;
The little pig knows what to do, he's silent and quick, just like Oliver Twist;
Before it's over, your pocket is clean,
A four-legged thief paid a visit on you.

CHORUS
CHORUS
CHORUS

("Zanz Can't Dance" refers to Fantasy Records head Saul Zaentz, whom Fogerty recorded for with Creedence Clearwater Revival. When Zaentz sued, Fogerty changed "Zanz" to "Vanz".)


69 posted on 03/29/2005 11:44:42 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zeugma
Also with textbooks, I would think having an electronic copy would help somewhat for convienience, but you can't hardly mark one up the way one would a dead-tree edition. I think the two technologies complement each other.

I will keep my eye on Baen. If they are able to turn a profit, I will certainly recommend that my publisher consider their business model.

70 posted on 03/29/2005 11:48:31 AM PST by Logophile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: JenB

Do you like living in a country where every horny young male is wanking to gigabytes of stolen p0rn? If not, I'd expect you to stand with the people in our government who work hard to keep Janet Jackson tit off your TV.


71 posted on 03/29/2005 11:50:44 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: zeugma; JenB

Many thanks for the info on Baen Free Library, which I'd never heard of. Will check it out.

I'm one of those really old-fashioned readers who just loves books, typefaces, good paper, wonderful bindings. Books have been my life all my life. But even I spend a lot of time online now and less time reading books. This has to end! And is ending! My freeping time is way down and getting "downer." Boot me off if you find me here, pleeeeese.


72 posted on 03/29/2005 11:52:36 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions Freely Dispensed as Advice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Logophile
I am one of those authors you mentioned. Whenever this topic has come up before, I have asked how my rights will be protected if unlimited downloading is allowed. Why would anyone pay for a book if he can get it free? I have yet to hear a good answer from the "Information wants to be free" folks.

Because I will read chapters of books online. If it catches me in 50 pages, I'll go buy it and be glad to buy it.

Nothing like reading on paper versus the LCD screen

73 posted on 03/29/2005 11:52:58 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Logophile

Send the company an email - they seem to like to brag about their model on their webpage! And check out some of the books, quite a few are very good.


74 posted on 03/29/2005 11:54:27 AM PST by JenB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: eno_

What? That's an amazing non-sequiter. I can only have a 500 meg hard drive, because someone might steal porn? There are thousands and thousands of legitimate reasons to need space and you think because someone might use it for porn - which I think they can get other ways, right - we should have to go without?


75 posted on 03/29/2005 11:56:18 AM PST by JenB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Veto!
I've worked in book publishing all my life and know how important those copyright safeguards are to authors, who work for at least a year and often much longer just to finish one book. They rely on royalties to compensate them for their time, which may take more years. Few writers write bestselling books that bring in top dollar.

Are they opposed to circulation of their books in public libraries?

76 posted on 03/29/2005 12:03:11 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Logophile
Read a couple of the "prime palaver" articles. They are definitely making money on it.
77 posted on 03/29/2005 12:03:36 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Logophile
Why would anyone pay for a book if he can get it free?

Have you never heard of a public library? In spite of the existence of public libraries where you can get the latest bestsellers, book stores continue to make money.

78 posted on 03/29/2005 12:05:43 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Veto!
You are quite welcome. I really like the fact that Jim Baen is willing to trust his readers, and I'm always willing to point business his way as a satisfied customer.

I too am really into books. I almost got myself in serious trouble last time I went to Half-Priced Books. They had a 10 volume encyclopaedic history set published in the early 40s that I was majorly drooling over. I've been building a collection of older books for years. I love the way they look on my bookshelves. I'm still looking for a good set of the 1909 Brittannica. I've got a mostly complete 1903 set but the binding was extremely damaged.

79 posted on 03/29/2005 12:09:42 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Centurion2000
Because I will read chapters of books online. If it catches me in 50 pages, I'll go buy it and be glad to buy it.

Of course. That is why many publishers will post a few sample chapters online. Most, however, are reluctant to post an entire book in digital form.

Nothing like reading on paper versus the LCD screen

Although I agree with you, I am told that many younger readers prefer the screen. If that is so, then book publishers could find themselves in quite a bind.

80 posted on 03/29/2005 12:12:20 PM PST by Logophile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 141-159 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson