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Fed Appeals Court Grant Terri's Parents Petition for Rehearing
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Posted on 03/29/2005 9:36:23 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Edited on 03/29/2005 9:59:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

FEDERAL APPEALS COURT WILL LET TERRI'S PARENTS FILE A PETITION FOR REHEARING FOR AN INJUNCTION TO REINSERT FEEDING TUBE... BREAKING


Moderator update:

Court Says Yes To Schiavo Parents


March 30, 2005

(CBS/AP) A federal appeals court early Wednesday granted Terri Schiavo's parents the right to file a petition for rehearing for an injunction that could allow their daughter's feeding tube to be reconnected.

The ruling came just after midnight from a federal appeals court in Atlanta.

On Tuesday, Schiavo's 12th full day without food or water, the Rev. Jesse Jackson prayed with her parents and joined conservatives in calling for state lawmakers to order her feeding tube reinserted.

The former Democratic presidential candidate was invited by Schiavo's parents to meet with activists outside Schiavo's hospice. His arrival was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights!"

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," he said. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

As the Schiavo deathwatch drags on, CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassmann spoke with two families who grappled with the same issues as the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo. On one side are Dorothy and Michael Brocato, who have provided care for their brain-damaged daughter Lisa, who suffered brain damage from a heart attack 15 years ago.

"We have devoted our lives to taking care of Lisa, says her mother. The Brocatos are sympathetic to the Schindler's wish to keep Terri Schiavo alive

"I love her. I love her. I couldn't picture not having her around me,'' says Dorothy Brocato.

Ron Oister has watched the Schiavo drama play out from a very different perspective. When Oister's father was essentially brain-dead, his son's wrenching decision was to let his father go.

"It was very hard,'' Oister told Strassmann. "That was my father. And he was in front of me. And I knew he could never return to what he had been."

Oister says Schiavo's parents helped create this needless public spectacle because they refused to face their hard reality.

"She died then, not now. My own experience would say that one ends life at that time."

Jesse Jackson's visit provided an emotional boost to Schiavo's parents and siblings, who have maintained that Schiavo would want to be kept alive. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, insists he is carrying out her wishes by having the feeding tube pulled.

Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother, later made a terse but emotional appeal to Michael Schiavo: "Michael and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give my child back to me." Michael Schiavo and fiancee Jodi Centonze have two children, born long after Terri Schiavo fell into paralysis.

Although supporters of the Schindlers have claimed the dehydrated woman is being denied comfort measures such as ice chips for her dry mouth or balm for chapped lips, George Felos, the husband's attorney, defended how Schiavo is being cared for.

"Obviously, the parents and the siblings are desperate. Desperation may lead to different perceptions," Felos told CNN. "I can only tell you what I've seen, and Terri is dying a very peaceful, cared-for death." Felos did not return phone messages seeking comment from The Associated Press.

Jackson said he asked Michael Schiavo for permission to see the brain-damaged woman but was denied. He also telephoned black legislators in a last-ditch effort to bring back a bill that would prohibit severely brain-damaged patients from being denied food and water if they didn't express their wishes in writing. Lawmakers rejected the legislation earlier this month and appeared unlikely to reconsider it.

One of those contacted by Jackson, Democratic state Sen. Gary Siplin, said he told Jackson the issue had been "thoroughly discussed." Senate Democratic leader Les Miller added, "I have voted. It's time to move on."

The chief sponsor of the measure, state Sen. Daniel Webster, said he knew of no changed votes and that Jackson's efforts may have come too late.

"If he could sway votes — and I'm certain he may be able to — it would have been helpful if he had done that a little earlier" said Webster, a Republican. "We're running out of time. To do it now is not as timely as a couple of weeks ago would have been."

Bob Schindler described his daughter as "failing" following his visit Tuesday.

"She still looks pretty darn good under the circumstances," Schindler said. "You can see the impact of no food and water for 12 days. Her bodily functions are still working. We still have her."

First lady Laura Bush also commented on the case Tuesday, saying the government was right to have intervened on behalf of Schiavo.

"It is a life issue that really does require government to be involved," Bush said aboard a plane bound for Afghanistan, where she was to promote education and women's rights.

During Jackson's visit, a man was tackled to the ground by officers when he tried to storm into the hospice, police said. He became the 47th protester arrested since the feeding tube was removed March 18. The man had two bottles of water with him but did not reach the hospice door, police said.

Doctors have said Terri Schiavo, 41, would probably die within a week or two of the tube being removed. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder.

The parents also lost another round in the courts Tuesday when an appeals court upheld a pervious ruling by Judge George Greer that blocked the Department of Children and Families from intervening in the case.




Court Says Yes To Schiavo Parents


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To: NautiNurse

I will admit I used what I felt to be common sense on "disabled," and "brain dead" was sloppy terminology, that I felt was sufficiently qualified by the fact that her brain stem was functional enough to give her involuntary functions.


951 posted on 03/30/2005 3:39:51 AM PST by jude24 (The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.)
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To: syriacus

This document does not exist on this server...


952 posted on 03/30/2005 3:40:18 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: NautiNurse

"Only if there was an injury communicating with one of the orifices."

I don't mean to sound dense just trying to get a clearer picture of this. So the brain could actually just slush around inside the skull in a liquid form??

I never knew this.


953 posted on 03/30/2005 3:42:09 AM PST by txradioguy (When liberty’s in jeopardy, I will always do what’s right...)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Fed Appeals Court Grant Terri's Parents Petition for Rehearing

Nothing more than a CYA PR move after the fact.

954 posted on 03/30/2005 3:42:44 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: jude24
Can she have any amount of consciousness without a functioning cerebral cortex?

As I said, no one can tell. I can't even tell if you're conscious. I just know words keep appearing here. I could define that as consciousness. But it wouldn't be a very good definition. Lot's of people can't type on a keyboard. I could look for other external signs of response to stimulus, but I really can't equate any of them to the experience of consciousness inside your head. That is beyond the reach of anyone. Therefore "consciousness" is ultimately subjective and unknowable and a bad definition for an objective human life.
955 posted on 03/30/2005 3:43:31 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: jude24
"Disabled" means that you can't do some things, but you still have consciousness.

What about people with epilepsy or narcolepsy, who might be "unconscious" many times a day?

956 posted on 03/30/2005 3:43:44 AM PST by syriacus (Greer honors alleged death wishes of mentally unsound, bulimic women by starving them to death.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I really like Terri, she just refuses to Give Up The Ghost easily on behalf of those sentencing her to it. May this work to her favor, and most of all, may she feel the caress of the Lord in this time of her suffering.

I can't imagine what it would be like if she were a member of my family. I can't imagine having to be near people who set her death in motion, and I can't imagine watching her fade and fight, fade and fight.

God be with you, Terri. Lots of people here pulling for you to pull through.

957 posted on 03/30/2005 3:44:07 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: syriacus
They are conscious when their episodes aren't occuring, aren't they?

Terri Schiavo will never wake up from her vegetative state. Her cerebral cortex is so degraded as to preclude consciousness.

958 posted on 03/30/2005 3:46:07 AM PST by jude24 (The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.)
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To: STARWISE

Amazing! Thank you Lord!


959 posted on 03/30/2005 3:46:52 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: jude24
Good--there have been far too many false assumptions about the clinical and legal definitions around here.

There is significant damage to Mrs. Schiavo's cerebral cortex, with atrophy of the brain tissue. However, to declare it liquefied is also a factually false assertion. A PET scan and an MRI would be more definitive diagnostic studies to establish upper brain function. I understand there may be metallic artifact in Mrs. Schiavo's brain prohibiting an MRI.

960 posted on 03/30/2005 3:47:32 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: CaptainJustice
I can't even stand to come to this site anymore because of the fanatic unreasonableness of the Terri Cult. It's nauseating

20 yr old Conservative Christian Republican ... Its my goal to know everything

Youth truly IS wasted on the young.

<plonk>

961 posted on 03/30/2005 3:47:34 AM PST by tomkat
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
That's a fair point.

I want to commend you for engaging me on the issues, and not with personal attacks (unlike many other posters here).

962 posted on 03/30/2005 3:48:19 AM PST by jude24 (The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Amazing news!


963 posted on 03/30/2005 3:49:35 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Wow. Excellent. How many more of us are there? LOL

Now I gotta ask: What's your take on Jeb Bush RE not moving in to save Terri?

I agree with Alan Keyes:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371172/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1369504/posts


964 posted on 03/30/2005 3:50:52 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: txradioguy
So the brain could actually just slush around inside the skull in a liquid form??

All of our brains are bathed in cerebral spinal fluid--yours, mine, and Mrs. Schiavo's. In effect, all of our brains are sloshing around in a liquid inside our skulls.

Mrs. Schiavo has significant reduction in brain tissue mass (atrophy). Thus she has more CSF:brain matter ratio than you or me.

965 posted on 03/30/2005 3:51:59 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: jude24

Sorry, I don't have time, gotta get dressed for work. You could start by reading a text on appellate practice and procedure in the federal courts. This case has never been litigated in the federal courts. Because Congress passed a law granting the right to a trial de novo, collateral estoppel and res judicata are inapplicable. Best of luck with your legal studies.


966 posted on 03/30/2005 3:52:09 AM PST by pollyg107
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To: WKUHilltopper

These judges MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE - They have starved this woman for almost TWO WEEKS. I doubt she could live now even if they reinserted the tube and idiots have been discussing it what midnight?


967 posted on 03/30/2005 3:54:20 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: jude24
You could have made that statement with some degree of certainty 15 years ago but it would not meet minimal standards in 2005. That's why we have functional MRIs and PET scans. We can get an idea of not just brain mass but also function. These kinds of studies are extremely relevant when making a decision about harvesting organs for donors if brain death is suspected. Why kill someone based on 15 year old technology?
968 posted on 03/30/2005 3:55:59 AM PST by lainde
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To: pollyg107
. Because Congress passed a law granting the right to a trial de novo, collateral estoppel and res judicata are inapplicable.

Thanks for the answer.

I can see how they wouldn't apply in the first trip through the federal courts, but why not the second?

(Appellate practice and advanced fed procedure will come later in my legal studies.)

969 posted on 03/30/2005 3:56:12 AM PST by jude24 (The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.)
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To: Fred Nerks
is document does not exist on this server...

My link TO post 50 was bad...BUT the link AT post 50 was good.

Any way... here's a working link to the original article for anyone who couldn't find their way to post 50. I've provided an excerpt, and those that are interested can go to the link to read the rest.

Federal Complaint Filed with DOJ in Schiavo Case Alleging ADA Violations 03.29.05 © The Empire Journal

   A New York State special education teacher has filed a detailed eight-page complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice on behalf of Terri Schindler-Schiavo, alleging  numerous violations of the Americans with Disabilities.

    An immediate stay of execution has been requested until the matter can be investigated..

   Danielle P. Miller, special education teacher at the Central Islip High School at Central Islip,  Suffolk County, NY, filed the complaint Monday, March 28 and served copies upon Florida’s Gov. Jeb Bush, President George W. Bush, Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist, DCF Secretary Luci Hadi as well as numerous other state and federal officials.[snip]

The complaint alleging violations of ADA names numerous judges involved in the case as the “accused”[snip]

The complaint also addresses allegations of neglect and refusal of medical care and therapy for her by Schiavo as her guardian.[snip]

[Terri] did not have informed consent ...Terri] could not/did not have an understanding that the determination of artificial means would include a feeding tube after the year of 2000”,


970 posted on 03/30/2005 3:57:13 AM PST by syriacus (Greer honors alleged death wishes of mentally unsound, bulimic women by starving them to death.)
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To: cpforlife.org
What's your take on Jeb Bush RE not moving in to save Terri?

A shootout at the Hospice Corral would have been a disaster, particularly when there is evidence the Schindler's attorney did not approach the federal court with the most prudent case when given the opportunity.

971 posted on 03/30/2005 4:00:11 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: NautiNurse

I see. I guess I mis-spoke. I understand the whole cerebral fluid in the skull etc.

It's just the impression I get when I hear some MSM talking head say her brain is "liquified" that her brain...gray matter/brain tissue and all is just sloshing around in her head like a milkshake.


972 posted on 03/30/2005 4:06:14 AM PST by txradioguy (When liberty’s in jeopardy, I will always do what’s right...)
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To: NautiNurse
However, to declare it liquefied is also a factually false assertion.

From In re: Theresa Marie Schaivo,
Incapacitated, Report to Gov. Jeb Bush and the 6th Florida Judicial Circuit 1 Dec. 2003
Jay Wolfson as Guardian Ad Litem to Theresa Marie Schaivo at 34

Theresa's neurological tests and CT scans indicate objective measures of the persistent vegitative state. These data indicate that Theresa's cerebral cortex is principally liquid, having shrunken due to the severe anoxic traumna experienced thirteen years ago. The initial oxygen deprivation caused damage that cannot be repaired, and the brain tissue in the area continued to devolve....

In recent months, individuals have come forward indicating that there are therapies and treatments that can literally re-grow Theresa's functional, cerebral cortex brain tissue, restoring part or all of her functions. There is no scientifically valid, meidically recongized evidence that this has been done or is possible, even in rats, according to the president of the American Society for Neuro-Transplatation. It is imaginable that some day such things maybe possible, but holding out such promises to families of severely brain injured persons today may be a profound disservice.

In the observed circumstances, the behavior that Theresa manifests is attributable ot stem and forebrain functions, rather than cognitive. And the substantive difference according to neurologists and neurosurgeons is that reflexive actitvities of this nature are neither conscious nor aware activities. And without cognition, there is no awareness. (Descartes addressed this in his proposition that it is our awareness, our consciousness that defines our being: "Cogito, ergo sum." This logic would imply that unless we are aware and conscious, we cease to be.)

Source
973 posted on 03/30/2005 4:06:35 AM PST by jude24 (The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.)
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To: jude24
They are conscious when their episodes aren't occuring, aren't they?

What if people with narcolepsy or epilepsy are "tested" for consciousness when they aren't conscious?

What if Terri was denied sleep for several days and nights before her neurological exams?

974 posted on 03/30/2005 4:09:12 AM PST by syriacus (Greer honors alleged death wishes of mentally unsound, bulimic women by starving them to death.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
"Michael and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give my child back to me."

Very personal plea. This is not about a woman with a brain injury and it's not arguing her being cognizant vs her being a "vegetable". This is a mother pleading for her child. The public can relate to this.

"Obviously, the parents and the siblings are desperate. Desperation may lead to different perceptions," (Felos)

Felos knows the public can relate to this and doesn't like it at all.

975 posted on 03/30/2005 4:13:35 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore

Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother, later made a terse but emotional appeal to Michael Schiavo: "Michael and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give my child back to me."

That was a multi-dimensional smack. Not only personal, it might get through the See-BS, N-BS, and other BS gatekeepers. Even the BS channels will be tempted to let out more truth.

FReegards....


976 posted on 03/30/2005 4:15:30 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: TruthSetsUFree

I have always respected Sekulow, but have wondered why he didn't take this fight on earlier. This sort of thing is right up his alley of legal expertise.


977 posted on 03/30/2005 4:16:16 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: jude24
cerebral cortex is principally liquid, having shrunken

I've seen the source, and cringed at the odd choice of words. How is something liquid if it shrinks? CSF filled in the area of cortex that atrophied. Bad choice of terms.

978 posted on 03/30/2005 4:16:34 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: NautiNurse
Yes, A shootout at the Hospice Corral WOULD have been a disaster.

This whole thing is a disaster.

Judges have for the most part precipitated the greatest evil in this country - from Dred Scott to Roe v Wade to Sodo-Marriage and now the beginning of the Euthanasia Holocaust

It's a disaster that the other 2 branches have all but stood by.
979 posted on 03/30/2005 4:17:12 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: syriacus

It's good to ponder the possibilities. But it's also good to keep in mind the simple truth: she just may have spoken when that tube was removed. That's 'may' should be examined by a truly unbiased court before she dies. FReegards....


980 posted on 03/30/2005 4:17:26 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: drlevy88

I will offer one of mine if I am compatiable and she needs it to live.


981 posted on 03/30/2005 4:17:43 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: syriacus

Thank you very much.


982 posted on 03/30/2005 4:20:06 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: NautiNurse
How is something liquid if it shrinks?

The brain matter wasn't liquifed before, it is now. Seems simple enough to me, but my undergrad is in chemistry, not biology.

983 posted on 03/30/2005 4:20:29 AM PST by jude24 (The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Felos & Co. managed to change the laws to suit his end game right under our noses. Felos is 4+ creepy.


984 posted on 03/30/2005 4:20:47 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: jude24
The brain matter wasn't liquifed before, it is now.

No--the brain matter atrophied (shrunk). CSF filled in the void in the skull.

985 posted on 03/30/2005 4:23:02 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: cpforlife.org

Obviously, I think that judges have no power whatever to give orders to the executive what to do or not do in execution of his powers. Even though the local executive, the sheriff, decided to give force to the judge's order, and the governor has no direct authority over county sheriffs, even those were not insurmoutable problems or cause for civil war. Under the Florida constitution the governor can replace the county sheriff and maybe even the judge for misfeasance, such as interfering with DCF and the state police which are under the governor and not subject to the judge either.

FLORIDA CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE VIII - County Government
Section 1
(d) COUNTY OFFICERS. There shall be elected by the electors of each county, for terms of four years, a sheriff, a tax collector, a property appraiser, a supervisor of elections, and a clerk of the circuit court;

ARTICLE IV - Executive
SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.--
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.

ARTICLE III - Legislative
SECTION 17. Impeachment.--
(a) The governor, lieutenant governor, members of the cabinet, justices of the supreme court, judges of district courts of appeal, judges of circuit courts, and judges of county courts shall be liable to impeachment for misdemeanor in office.


986 posted on 03/30/2005 4:25:12 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: cpforlife.org

"Yes, A shootout at the Hospice Corral WOULD have been a disaster."

Consider this:

"I, Governor Bush of the State of Florida, have just signed an executive order that there's a state of emergency around Terri Schiavo's [Schindler's] hospice. This EO gives me authority over all local police in that peculiar county. As their governor, and for the time being, their final authority, I order them to stand down, to not fire upon any officers under my charge, as we take her, provide her with imediate IVs for hydration, and whisk her off to a nice Christian hospital up in Lynchburg, one run by Jerry Falwell Ministries. Don't mess with those fellas up there. They are somewhat... chivalrous."

Extreme? You bet. Possible? You bet. I understand why he didn't do it, however. If Jeb considered it, his advisers would tear their shirts off, stomp on their brief cases, shout in his ear, and call him a lunatic. That's what college education does to our nation's leaders.

FReegards....


987 posted on 03/30/2005 4:26:21 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: NautiNurse

NautiNurse Wrote: ""A shootout at the Hospice Corral would have been a disaster, particularly when there is evidence the Schindler's attorney did not approach the federal court with the most prudent case when given the opportunity."""


I've heard similar comments about the Schindler's attorney, too. You used the word evidence. Do you have specific evidence of neglect on the part of the attorney?

A possible answer to my question from Fox News right now. Peter Johnson just said they originally asked for a Jury trial. When Johnson, said Jury trial, he appeared to mean that was nuts?? I'm really confused about this?

Peter Johnson just now said - Too little, too late. :( :( I'm gonna go to bed. I'd rather not listen to the spinners on Fox anymore. I just hope Terri gets a chance for her life to be restored to her. She's never gotten the chance to recover from her injuries due to her horrible husband.

How the courts ever allowed the abusing man to remove her food and water from her, in addition to the 15 years, he's kept her a prisoner - giving her no therapy or treatment - is so hedious, it's beyond words.

Prayers for Terri and her family. God Bless them, for fighting the courts and all others, who have abused an already injured and disabled woman. Our country will never recover from this horror, if it is not stopped.

I'm shocked our country has come this close to Murdering Terri Schiavo, an innocent woman, whose only crime was marrying Michael Schiavo. Only God can restore our land to sanity.


988 posted on 03/30/2005 4:26:35 AM PST by Pepper777 (TERRI WANTS TO LIVE~~!!!! That's a fact~~!!!)
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To: cpforlife.org; NautiNurse
Yes, A shootout at the Hospice Corral WOULD have been a disaster.

And unnecessary. See post #986. The governor could replace both the sheriff and Judge Greer almost at will under the Florida constitution. Been sending this around.
989 posted on 03/30/2005 4:29:07 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

See #986


990 posted on 03/30/2005 4:30:29 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: varon

Question for anyone....

I know it will not happen in this case, but curious...is there one person in the judical system, besides Greer of course, who could grant emergency relief to anyone in a situation such as this on a dime?

(not talking about Jeb and the Guard or the President)


991 posted on 03/30/2005 4:30:47 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Nope. Not unless Greer were removed. See #986.


992 posted on 03/30/2005 4:33:24 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: jude24
(Descartes addressed this in his proposition that it is our awareness, our consciousness that defines our being: "Cogito, ergo sum." This logic would imply that unless we are aware and conscious, we cease to be.)

That's bad logic.

The statement,
"I don't think, therefore, I am not,"
cannot be proven true,
from the truthfulness of the statement,
"I think, therefore I am.
The "I don't think"statement is merely the inverse of the "I think "statement."

Elementary logic: Inverse: The inverse is simply the conditional with ‘not’ added to it.

1.Statement: If p, then q
2. Inverse: If not p, then not q

A statement is not logically equivalent ... to its inverse.

993 posted on 03/30/2005 4:35:37 AM PST by syriacus (Greer honors alleged death wishes of mentally unsound, bulimic women by starving them to death.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Thank you!


994 posted on 03/30/2005 4:37:37 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: NautiNurse
Hey..glad you are here to help clear up some of the misinformation.

I have been battling this for 10 days already and some are still repeating the "brain dead" baloney that the MSM was parroting early on.

You can't really blame some folks for not knowing the medical significance of that statement but it has been really frustrating for me.

Glad to hand you the baton since I will be working all day.

I will make a visit with a CP child with severe brain damage and a feeding tube.

I think I will give him a hug for you.

God bless you.

995 posted on 03/30/2005 4:37:55 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Pepper777
Should have used the term indication rather than evidence.

When the first petition was thrown out, my initial reaction was that Gibbs was likely sleep deprived.

996 posted on 03/30/2005 4:38:58 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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It is amazing that all this time, as Felos has spoouted that "this case has been ruled on 22 times by different Judges and courts", all the rulings have been only on reviewing the ruling by Greer. That none of them have looked at the facts surrounding this individually. Just amazing.


997 posted on 03/30/2005 4:39:04 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Maybe, just maybe, they are starting to understand that this women may very well be conscious. At the very least, it appears, they want to be sure one way or the other.

A conclusive diagnosis of PVS should be agreed upon by ALL before sentencing this poor women to death.

To think that it is possible that this women may very well be conscious of her execution is horrifying beyond words.

To understand that our Judicial System dismissed all doubts of her diagnosis (over 30+ affidavits supporting that she may not be in vegetative state), and allowed for her execution, without review is a dereliction of responsibility.

This should have happened months ago; pursuing all other avenues was a waste of time.

Unfortunately, I fear it may be to little to late...IMHO....
998 posted on 03/30/2005 4:40:08 AM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: Earthdweller
not knowing the medical significance of that statement but it has been really frustrating for me.

LOL--I've been providing neuro lessons around here for weeks. So many students, so little time.

999 posted on 03/30/2005 4:41:13 AM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; nicmarlo; Mo1; Canadian Outrage
"Felos did not return phone messages seeking comment from The Associated Press."

Felos missed an opportunity to mug for the cameras? What's up with that? This is indeed a new turn of events.

Hey y'all. Have you seen this?

1,000 posted on 03/30/2005 4:41:52 AM PST by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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