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'Euthanasia' in the Third Reich: Lessons for today? (Schiavo?)
Ethics & Medicine ^ | April 1, 2002 | J A Emerson Vermaat

Posted on 03/30/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by DBeers

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1 posted on 03/30/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers

Give me a break.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 4:01:48 AM PST by Texas_Dawg
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To: DBeers

ANDRE LENOGE: "Where is Congress? Where are the Senators? Where are the Supeme Judges?
Nobody knows. Washington DC is empty. No one of ethics is there.
There has only been only one case like this in all of American history.
That was Roanoke Island, North Carolina in 1587 when everyone disappeared. Every man, woman and child.
Hope is dimming for the missing ethical residents of the US Congress.
Today the Congress is quiet, empty of sentient people
but there is word carved on the side of the back wall of the Senate Chamber, "Croaton".
No one knows what it means. Maybe its a place favored for pork?
Maybe it is a hex to call Satan from evil Pinellas County, Florida. No one knows.
But I do know one thing. Congress will ALL need to be replaced in the next election."

Senators (in Unison): "We are sorry Judge Greer. We are sorry Judge Greer. We will give you what you want.
We are so sorry Judge Greer. Please take our respect and our children.
Starve them. Cremate them. Feed them to your seeing-eye dogs. Oh Judge Greer, we worship you and will all give you anything you want."


Judgenfuhrer Greer: "As of today, March 30, the US Congress and its toliet paper subpoenas
are NOTHING but pussies and a bucket of warm spit.
I freely micturate on 18 USC Section 1505 and Title 2 of the US code
before the entire world. Now bow or you will be triple organ donor tomorrow."


Judgenfuhrer Greer: "We are well aware that ordering death by starvation
is identical to the torture-penalty
delivered to the innocent trying to escape Auschwitz, and the other, Crematoria.
But you know what? I really get off on the suffering of innocents.
Attorney Felos gets off on it, too, and makes money from it.
And what's more he spoke to our god who told him, "You are more powerful than you realize.(*)
Imagine that. I get to sign his Motions to kill and serve our god at the same time.
Kinda cool. I get to kill ANYONE with a stroke of my pen and flash of my black-Mullah robe."

(*) pg 182, George Felos's book, "Litigation as Spiritual Practice" (Blue Dolphin Publishing, 2002)



3 posted on 03/30/2005 4:04:12 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: DBeers

Bookmarked and bumped.


4 posted on 03/30/2005 4:06:51 AM PST by Rocko
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To: DBeers

Hitler and his Nazi's were socialists. It is not surprising the same reasoning on euthanasia is coming from today's socialists.


5 posted on 03/30/2005 4:10:39 AM PST by MisterRepublican (Grand Ayatollah George Greer (PBUH) has declared jihad against the disabled.)
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To: DBeers

This is the United States of America in 2005.


6 posted on 03/30/2005 4:12:02 AM PST by SE Mom (Debate, not hate.)
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To: DBeers
Today's version: Million Dollar Baby

By the way, I've been duly served notice that those who consider only themselves to be sane categorically refuse to consider any analogy or reference that may touch on Nazi Germany in any way, shape, or form.

If we can't come up with another reference for a government that starves disabled people to death, in a country whose culture worships not God but a physical ideal, it's our own fault and our own problem.

Just thought you'd like to know, the "sane" have decreed it so, and we "insane" must oblige them, as it is our duty as good Germans, I mean, FReepers.

7 posted on 03/30/2005 4:14:59 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: DBeers
It started out small and snowballed. The Nazis' reflexive policy was to kill. Any one they viewed as a threat. And that on a large scale.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
8 posted on 03/30/2005 4:15:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: thoughtomator

bttt


9 posted on 03/30/2005 4:17:00 AM PST by lainde
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To: DBeers

It's a sad day when it's come to the Eathanamerica acting just like the Euthanasia!


10 posted on 03/30/2005 4:20:09 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: DBeers
The whackers are still out out in full force.

Do you think the economy will suffer because the American work force is spending the company time productively pontificating on Shiavo threads?



Please, reconsider. That was a rhetorical question.

11 posted on 03/30/2005 4:20:15 AM PST by G.Mason (If you get upset that I ignore you please feel free to contact the management)
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To: DBeers
Long read, but good. I thought this paragraph was especially noteworthy with regard to Terri Schiavo....

"Lothar Kreyssig, a judge from Brandenburg/Havel also informed Gurtner on what was going on. He did so in a letter dated 8 July 1940:

About two weeks ago an acquaintance told me about rumours of numerous mental patients having recently been transfered by the SS from their clinics and nursing homes to intitutions in southern Germany where they were killed. . . . The issue of the meaning of these lives actually touches on the very issues of existence. It leads directly to the question of God. . . .Destroying ‘worthless life’ is a serious matter of conscience. Life is a mystery of God. . . . It is man’s incredible rebellion and arrogance to think he can terminate life because his limited judgment tells him that such life does not or does no longer have any meaning.22

Dr. Kreyssig was a member of the ‘Confessing Church,’ a vocal anti-Nazi movement within the mainstream German Evangelical Church (DEK).

12 posted on 03/30/2005 4:22:47 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: DBeers

It's a sad day when it's come to the Euthanamerica acting just like the Euthanasia! (Correction)


13 posted on 03/30/2005 4:23:25 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Diogenesis

Nice pitchers. When do we get the pichforcs and stiks?


14 posted on 03/30/2005 4:24:43 AM PST by G.Mason (If you get upset that I ignore you please feel free to contact the management)
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To: DBeers
http://www.npr.org/programs/disability/ba_shows.dir/index_sh.html

The Black Stork: Newspaper Controversy

The following are excerpts from newspaper interviews and editorials from 1915-6 that comment on Dr. Haiselden's controversial position on the treatment of newborns with disabilities. They are reprinted here courtesy of Martin Pernick.

From "Dr. Baruch Praises Doctor who let Doomed Baby Die" from the New York Sun, November 21, 1915:

Reporter: It has been stated that Dr. Haiselden could have saved the baby's life if he had performed some operation. Would you mind stating the character of the operation?

Baruch: I am glad that you asked this question, since this very important point has been lost sight of in the hysterical discussions. It really has greater bearing upon this question than appears on the surface . . . You may note what many sentimental folk disregard, how much depends upon the individual doctor's judgment of emergency.

The causes, progress and termination of congenital defects are not fit subjects for the lay reader, many of whom are already too much interested in medical subjects, the knowledge of which can be of no earthly service to them. Indeed, the type of deformity involved in the Chicago case is usually so revolting that the description in the news columns in the Chicago case has added to the hysteria of the public.

I may say, however, that in this instance, Dr. Haiselden had to deal with what is called a monstrosity, not only a defective or malformed baby.

What difference is there, the doctor was asked, between these defects as they influence the action of a physician?

Baruch: A monstrosity, or obvious defective, always demands more serious consideration. No physician would presume the responsibility of destroying the life of such a child although he may realize that it will never be anything but the semblance of a human being. It is doubtful if the Spartan law will ever become operative in the present state of so-called civilization. What suffering the saving of a defective baby even may involve is graphically described in one of the city papers today with the headlines, Love for Defective Child Has Ruined This Family--Father Made a Bankrupt and Mother a Physical Wreck Caring for a Boy Born Unsound Mentally and After All Their Sacrifices He is Now in An Institution.

While monstrosities are exceedingly rare and deformities not infrequent, what is called the stillborn baby comes under observation of every physician in even moderate obstetric practice.

In my personal experience, I have observed but one monstrosity. The mother was under the care of a specialist in obstetrics, and I was present as the family physician. When it was discovered that the baby was a monstrosity of a worse type than the Chicago child, it was left alone and died. If Dr. Haiselden was correct in his diagnosis of the Bollinger baby, then I am quite in sympathy with the stand he took.

John Kingsbury, Commissioner of the Department of Public Charities, from the Independent, November 11, 1915:

In my work in connection with this particular department of the city's administration, I have had to know of many cases similar in a way to that of the infant that has provoked all of this recent discussion. I have felt strongly that little ones of this sort were better out of the world than in it, but I am free to say I have nothing to offer in the way of a public solution to the problem. Each case has its individual factors. And no one law would suffice for a rule of conduct. I do feel, however, that no conscientious physician should be saddled alone with the responsibility of deciding whether a woefully abnormal child should be helped to live or be left to die agreeable to nature's manifest intent. No, I do not believe that a board or commission of any sort would be the answer to this social puzzle, for after all, the question is fundamentally a social one, and it is not for a committee of physicians or lawyers to dispose of it. It more intimately concerns the home first and the general public next, and the parents must inevitably be the real arbiters.

John Kingsbury, from "Dr. Baruch Praises Doctor Who Let Doomed Baby Die," New York Sun, November 21, 1915:

I believe that the only really sane and satisfactory procedure would be for the parents and the attending physician to decide the fate of the little one--always assuming that nature is intent upon making the infant's days brief and that the society of medicine or surgery alone could change this. ...If the choice is to let nature prevail, then I am reasonably satisfied that the best interests of all concerned would thus be served.

Just as justice should be tempered by mercy so should the science of the healing art be willing to forego a mere physical triumph and consider the possible aftermath of blighted human existence--indeed more animal than human. It is only when we have an aggregation of these unfortunate creatures that we realize perhaps what Dr. Haiselden had in mind when he courageously refrained from using the knife that might possibly have made the Bollinger baby's days longer.

How many dwellers in this city have ever journeyed to Randall's Island? Relatively few, and really the sight is not a cheerful one. We have there 2,000 feeble minded and some of these are distressing cases, indeed this hardly expresses it. In one whole ward, the poor creatures are quite incapable of helping themselves. They have to be dressed and fed like helpless infants. There are others that are deformed and utterly devoid of any human instincts.

....On the other hand, it does seem that the wise and reputable physician cooperating with the parents, should be the best advisor, and that the ultimate decision, after he has presented the case with full professional knowledge, should rest with the parents, the desire of the mother prevailing. This broad question should not be evaded. Public discussion should be encouraged and after all the seemingly untimely end of that poor child in Chicago may be the means of a doing a world of good. This is eugenics in the concrete.

From "Was the Doctor Right?" The Independent, January 3, 1916:

The letters commending the doctor's course in letting the crippled baby die are four times as many as those that condemn him... Every letter except one bearing a minister's name answers our question.

"Was the doctor right?" Yes, I emphatically approve of the attitude of the mother and the physician. Of the many questions involved the important one is the eugenic question. In fact the chief significance of the event lies in the recognition that the vitality of the human race must be duly considered. I hope the time will come when it will be commonplace that the interests of the race are paramount. Irving Fisher, New Haven Connecticut, Chair, Department of Political Economy, Yale.

In my judgment it was not only biologically wise, but normally right from the highest ethical standards, to make no effort to preserve the life of the Chicago baby....This infant could never develop into anything even approaching a normal human being....This and like cases, however, should be regarded each on its own individual merits and not be made the basis of far reaching generalizations. Raymond Pearl, Orono, Maine, Biologist in charge of the Maine Agricultural Experiment Station.

The little child should mercifully be allowed to die. The child with a good brain, however crippled otherwise, should be saved. Franklin Giddings, Department of Sociology, Columbia University.

In successful social species the functions of the individual must be subordinated to the best interest of the race. If surgical interference in a case will be to the detriment of society, such interference would be antisocial. If the progress of surgery is to be used to the detriment of the race... it may conceivably destroy the race. Charles B. Davenport,Director of the Carnegie Station for Experimental Evolution and of the Eugenics Records Office.

Handicapped from birth to death, what but pain, shame, humiliation and distress awaits them. Edward Berwick.

A natural death is its natural right. Edward Clapham, Fulton, New York.

As a Christian and a Socialist, I believe and hope the day of the parasite who eats his bread without earning it will soon pass whether he be mentally or physically incompetent or not. J.C. Howell, M.D., Orlando, Florida.

If we love our friends or relatives, why should we wish them to suffer needlessly? ...If this case had come up a hundred years ago, as it undoubtedly did...death would have followed birth because there was no way of preventing such an outcome.

Science has divinely given rights, but these rights are only for good and merciful ends, and cannot rightly be exercised to prolong human misery needlessly, or to cause unnecessary suffering. Benjamin Walker Saunders, Pastor Congregational Church Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin.

The most conscientious may at times decide from high ethical reasoning that extraordinary measures are not justified in prolonging life in a being who is destined to misery and suffering and who may be a positive menace to society. Lillian Wald, Henry St. Settlement.

I think all monstrosities should be permitted to die, but I do condemn the physician for making such a public ado about the matter. He has done nothing more than many physicians have done but done more wisely, and this publicity will prompt others less wise to go farther in this matter than they should. Frank Roberts, President of New Mexico Normal University.

Between extinction and sterilization the difference seems rather of degree than of kind. Those who advocate sterilization must surely approve of the course taken in this extreme case. I believe however that a matter of such vital importance should not be left to the decision of one man, but that some form of collective or legalized action should be required. Alexander Johnson, Field Secretary on Provision for the Feeble Minded.

She had chosen this doctor and HE FAILED HER! Had she been allowed to keep her child, to nurse it, to care for it, and lavish the love of her heart upon it, her life would have been broadened, bettered, purified, for with such suffering comes the purification of character. Willie May Reddin, Jamesville, Wisconsin.

I believe that the Constitution of the United States was right in guaranteeing that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Paul Kayser, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

We cannot help congratulating ourselves and the world at large that in the past so utilitarian a standpoint as regards defective lives was not taken. For we would then never have had the songs of Fanny Crosby or read of the wonderful transformation in the life of Helen Keller--P. Smith, Detroit, Michigan.

So far at least as I know we have no courses in our medical colleges as yet which teach how to judge when a patient's life may be of no service to the community...physicians may thank God that we are not yet the licensed executioners of the unfit for the community, and some of us know how fallacious our judgements are even with regard to the few things we know. Dr. Walsh, Catholic physician

From "Noted Men and Women Differ on Ethics of Letting Baby Die." From the Washington Post, November 18, 1915:

This child as well as every other child should be kept alive as long as possible. It is not for me to decide whether a child should be put to death. If it is a defective it should be treated as such, and be taught all it can learn. The law states that only a judge has the power to decide who shall die, and then only in case of crime. Jane Addams.

As a eugenicist and a philanthropist, I would let the child die, perhaps as a parent I would let it live. I doubt though, if it is possible to tell whether a baby is mentally defective when it is only 5 days old. Dr. Harvey Wiley, M.D.

If the child would be a helpless idiot, what purpose is served by keeping it alive? Katherine Davis.

A doctor has one enemy, Death, and should fight him to the last ditch. Royal Copeland, M.D.

This case should give an impulse to the national movement for birth control and prevention of defectives. Benjamin Lindsey, Judge.

Tomorrow's Children Highlights
Evidence Highlights Index, 1870 - 1930

The Black Stork: Movie Ads

The Black Stork, a feature film from 1917, dramatically expresses the anxieties people had about medicine and disability during this period: disability was equated with disease, doctors claimed absolute authority. Dr. Martin Pernick discusses The Black Stork in Tomorrow's Children, an excerpt of which is available here on RealAudio. Other material relevant to the film is available at the Tomorrow's Children Highlights page.

The film was inspired by the sensational case of Dr. Harry Haiselden, a Chicago surgeon who convinced the parents of a newborn with multiple disabilities to let the child die instead of performing surgery that would save its life. In the film, Haiselden actually plays himself, a wise doctor who attends the birth of a child born with congenital syphilis -- incurable at the time and a major cause of congenital disabilities. Two other doctors interfere, out of personal pride and misplaced benevolence, and try to convince the woman to save the child's life. The woman is forced to choose.

She dreams a tormented dream of her child's probable future: He grows up physically, mentally, and morally deformed. He becomes a criminal, and fathers a brood of disabled children. He isn't allowed to enlist in the Army ("Uncle Sam won't take anybody who's not perfect"). Aware that he is entirely different from others, despised and angry, he returns to kill the doctors who performed the operation that saved his life.

After this vision the woman decides to accept the doctor's advice and lets the infant die.

Haiselden's activities brought forth a storm of public controversy in which all of the currently popular attitudes toward disability were expressed. Many prominent thinkers, including Clarence Darrow and Helen Keller, argued that physicians had the right and the duty to decide whether a life was worth living. Although it was widely accepted that doctors should make these decisions and act on them in their private practices, it was rare that the subject was argued in public.

RealAudio: Marty Pernick & Laurie - Block on The Black Stork
A conversation with Martin Pernick about the Black Stork

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from the Chicago Herald, April 1, 1917

 

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from Motography, April 14, 1917

 

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from Exhibitors' Trade Review, March 10, 1917

 

The Black Stork Movie Stills


15 posted on 03/30/2005 4:27:05 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: DBeers
Couldn't happen in the usa. Stanley Milgram proved it. /sarc
16 posted on 03/30/2005 4:41:00 AM PST by Ben Chad
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From count 2, section 9, of the indictment in "the Doctor's Trial" at the Nuremberg war crimes trial:

9. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed war crimes, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so-called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including nationals of German-occupied countries. This program involved the systematic and secret execution of the aged, insane, incurably ill, of deformed children, and other persons, by gas, lethal injections, and diverse other means in nursing homes, hospitals, and asylums. Such persons were regarded as "useless eaters" and a burden to the German war machine. The relatives of these victims were informed that they died from natural causes, such as heart failure. German doctors involved in the "euthanasia" program were also sent to Eastern occupied countries to assist in the mass extermination of Jews.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/two.htm)

There is precedent.  There is equal precedent for charging the judges based on "The Judges Trail" from Nuremberg.  Finally there is precedent to charge the local, state and federal officials who refuse to stop this because "they're following the law" based on the rejection of "just following orders" defense.

Everyone has a duty to disobey an illegal order.  An authority stating something is legal, when it is not, does not make it legal.  You have to take action if you believe that it is wrong or you are as guilty as those committing the crime. 

I am not yet convinced that either side is telling the whole truth here, therefore I don't feel that I can act with any kind of confidence in knowing "what is right."  What I can say, without doubt, is that those who are convinced that Terri Schiavo is still truly alive, are absolutely on solid ground in pursuing charges of crimes against humanity on all those involved in trying to kill her.  It is an absolutely reasonable and defensible position to take and it is up to the other side to prove that they are NOT committing murder.

17 posted on 03/30/2005 4:54:09 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: Texas_Dawg
Give me a break.

Why?

Because you don't like the well documented references to the same practices being implemented with many of the same arguments by the NAZIs?

Sorry. You're not allowed to ignore reality in an honest debate.

18 posted on 03/30/2005 4:56:14 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: thoughtomator
If we can't come up with another reference for a government that starves disabled people to death, in a country whose culture worships not God but a physical ideal, it's our own fault and our own problem.

Cambodia under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge;
The Ukraine under Stalin;

Just two examples of mass murder occurring under socialism.

They weren't disabled, you say?

But they were disarmed.

19 posted on 03/30/2005 4:56:22 AM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: goldstategop
It started out small and snowballed. The Nazis' reflexive policy was to kill. Any one they viewed as a threat. And that on a large scale.

I'd say it began from the fundamental strategy of dehumanization. Their fundamental philosophy aws based on dehumanizing whoever they wanted to be rid of. Once begun, it became easy to declare each successive group less than human to rationalize whatever they then proceeded to do.

20 posted on 03/30/2005 4:57:44 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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