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Republicans have way to protest party's takeover by religious right
Omaha World Herald/Omaha.com ^ | 3-27-05 | Harold Andersen

Posted on 03/30/2005 8:45:00 AM PST by stan_sipple

the (relatively silent) majority of Americans feel(s) that the most compassionate treatment for Terri Schiavo - as well as the proper legal course of action - is to let her vegetative existence end, as advocated by her legal guardian, her husband.

For Republicans who consider their party a captive of the religious right on matters like medical research and right-to-die legislation and now legislative intrusion into the judicial system, there is a way to at least feel more comfortable with their political consciences.

That way is to leave a party whose leadership is currently attempting to leave behind in the dust of American constitutional history the principle of separation of powers that has served this country well for more than 200 years.

the religious conservatives deeply involved in the case believe in an afterlife - eternal life in circumstances considerably more appealing than lying in a hospital bed in a vegetative state for 15 years, being kept alive by food and liquids fed into your body through a hole in your abdomen.

Wouldn't the more compassionate course be to release Terri from a vegetative existence in the belief you are sending her on to a better life after death?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; US: Florida
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To: stan_sipple
"Wouldn't the more compassionate course be to release Terri from a vegetative existence in the belief you are sending her on to a better life after death?"

Thou shall not murder.

It think the Lord was pretty clear on this point.

21 posted on 03/30/2005 8:57:54 AM PST by jpsb
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To: bahblahbah

I'm more an economic conservative ... but believe the feeding tube should be re-inserted and M. Schiavo shouldn't be the guardian.

1) due to lack of therapy provided (since 1993)
2) conflict of interest of the guardian (Judge Rear is showing no common sense in accepting hearsay from the husband when plenty of conflicting affadavits exist)
3) conflict of what her state is

My criticism (now and past) of Jeb Bush has nothing to do with religious activism.

Jeb acted in a cowardly manner by announcing his intention to execute his duties (i.e. asking the judge for permission) ... which seemed to invite the judge to tell him not to take action ...

This is a typical politician looking for somebody to tell them that can't do something or get involved.

Jeb probably asked Judge Rear if he could tie his shoe this morning.

I know this probably angers some here (my comments). However, I didn't think this was the walk in lockstep forum (otherwise, we are just like the DUs in that aspect).


22 posted on 03/30/2005 8:58:30 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: G.Mason
No problem, just don't try to stave your inconvenient estranged exwife to death.
23 posted on 03/30/2005 8:59:49 AM PST by jpsb
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To: TexasTaysor

But it's euphoric!


24 posted on 03/30/2005 9:01:13 AM PST by pbear8 (Latin Mass - gotta love it!)
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To: Doc Savage
Mr. Andersen, please meet me in a dark alley in Omaha where we can discuss your current mental affliction, arrogance, and stupidity,..... man to man.

I doubt he's reading FR. Why don't you e-mail your post to him?

25 posted on 03/30/2005 9:01:30 AM PST by malakhi
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To: quack

In fact, Jesus had some pretty choice words to say about "lawyers and Pharisees" who stained at legalistic gnats while swallowing whole camels.


26 posted on 03/30/2005 9:01:45 AM PST by Kenny Bunkport
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To: redgolum
I can see it here in FR. The religious right is treated at times like the minorities are in the DNC. Just vote straight ticket, and "we know what is best."

No kidding. This whole situation is revealing who our friends really are.

27 posted on 03/30/2005 9:03:26 AM PST by Kenny Bunkport
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To: redgolum

"I am beginning to see that the there is going to be a split in the GOP...[...]...This whole Terri Schivio case maybe the breaking point. The religious people are getting fed up, and the power structure is just praying that she dies soon so they can go back to normal."

I think you're right. I am VERY ambivalent on this case, being essentially pro states' right and due process. I consider myself a low tax, pro-business pragmatic [what others will no doubt call 'limp'] Republican. Freerepublic has generally been a broad church where we can all josh and be welcomed - save usually for debates over Creationism, Free Trade and drugs. But this Terri case seems to have energized and split us like no other. I think Washington desperatly regrets getting involved and having geared up a movement that they can't control.

Interesting times, and it'll make for an interesting primary season in 2008.


28 posted on 03/30/2005 9:04:22 AM PST by johnmilken
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To: jpsb
"No problem, just don't try to stave your inconvenient estranged exwife to death."

I'll stave her if I want. She's my chattle.



29 posted on 03/30/2005 9:04:38 AM PST by G.Mason (If you get upset that I ignore you please feel free to contact the management)
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To: stan_sipple
So an atheist argues that religious people should embrace death because they believe in heaven. Hmmm. So, on the medical research issue, if you create a life to end a life so you can save a life, how does that fit this ridiculous theory? Why not let the person to be saved by this controversial research die and save yourself time and trouble? If we are going to SAVE people by destroying other people, then are we favoring life or death? And if we "allow to die" (or hurry into death) certain disabled people on the grounds that they will have no more pain in heaven, then why again do we need the controversial medical research?

Regarding "legislative intrusion into the judicial process" um, excuse me but didn't the legislature CREATE the judiciary? Isn't it the authority of Congress to set the jurisdiction of the judiciary? Isn't it the legislative body that creates the laws the judiciary is to interpret and apply? Isn't the Constitution a creation of the Congress, and isn't it the right of the Congress and the people to amend that Constitution? The members of the judiciary get one vote on the matter, a vote equal to your vote and my vote -- that is, they vote for their own representatives just like the rest of us. They THINK they get more than that, but constitutionally they do not. If they ever figure that out, then we will have restored the judicial independence the framers had in mind.

30 posted on 03/30/2005 9:05:53 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: stan_sipple

Let's let the County Club Republicans take over again. They were so good as the minority. /sarcasm


31 posted on 03/30/2005 9:07:27 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: bluebeak
"My criticism (now and past) of Jeb Bush has nothing to do with religious activism."

Me neither I am Christan but a piss poor one.

These days if you believe in natural law, or divine law as the authority for mans law then you are a raving right wing religious nuts even thought the founding documents of the nation reference both as the justification and bases for our government. It just doesn't get any stranger then this many many folks are woefully uneducated in matters of constitutional government and separation of powers.

32 posted on 03/30/2005 9:08:32 AM PST by jpsb
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
But, Congress did not create the Florida judiciary.

The Constitution most certainly is not a creation of the legislature, it is a creation of the people and the people alone have the right to amend it.

33 posted on 03/30/2005 9:11:21 AM PST by VaBarrister
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To: TexasTaysor
The Pope is now on a feed tube and unable to speak or swallow foods......so by their standards, he should be starved to death too. According to their standards, he is now "sub-human"

Interesting, isn't it?

34 posted on 03/30/2005 9:12:01 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: bmwcyle

country club republicans were happier when the Democrats were in power I think


35 posted on 03/30/2005 9:12:31 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: G.Mason
Oh how I long for the good old days, rape, pillage, murder. Well maybe if we keep going like we are they will return! One can only hope.

I can do icons too ;) Have one on me


36 posted on 03/30/2005 9:13:12 AM PST by jpsb
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To: tkathy

It doesnt matter what you, me, the husband or even Terri whether she wants to die or not. If I ask someone to kill me, no matter how much I truly mean it, if the person kills me it is murder plain and simple. The most Terri can have done to her is refuse medical treatment, which doesnt include food and water, so in this case it is assited suicide. Otherwise the guardian is knowingly starving a person and therefore a murderer. Call it what you want but it doesnt matter what anyone feels best for her if it goes against the law.

The husband should be tried for murder if she dies from his decision.


37 posted on 03/30/2005 9:13:57 AM PST by AlbertaBeef
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To: stan_sipple
RINO's have a way to protest...

That way is to leave a party

Yes, good bye. Au revoir. So long. See you later aligator. Adios. Farewell. Have a nice trip. Later tater. Arrivederci. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
38 posted on 03/30/2005 9:14:41 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: stan_sipple
It was all about free golf trips paid by lobbyist.
39 posted on 03/30/2005 9:15:08 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: AlbertaBeef
"The most Terri can have done to her is refuse medical treatment"

Man's law has defined food and water as medical treatment, natural law does not.

40 posted on 03/30/2005 9:18:12 AM PST by jpsb
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