Skip to comments.Republicans have way to protest party's takeover by religious right
Posted on 03/30/2005 8:45:00 AM PST by stan_sipple
the (relatively silent) majority of Americans feel(s) that the most compassionate treatment for Terri Schiavo - as well as the proper legal course of action - is to let her vegetative existence end, as advocated by her legal guardian, her husband.
For Republicans who consider their party a captive of the religious right on matters like medical research and right-to-die legislation and now legislative intrusion into the judicial system, there is a way to at least feel more comfortable with their political consciences.
That way is to leave a party whose leadership is currently attempting to leave behind in the dust of American constitutional history the principle of separation of powers that has served this country well for more than 200 years.
the religious conservatives deeply involved in the case believe in an afterlife - eternal life in circumstances considerably more appealing than lying in a hospital bed in a vegetative state for 15 years, being kept alive by food and liquids fed into your body through a hole in your abdomen.
Wouldn't the more compassionate course be to release Terri from a vegetative existence in the belief you are sending her on to a better life after death?
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Yes, but it isn't our decision to make. We could say the same thing about disabled infants, Alzheimer's patients, quadriplegics... the list goes on.
His take is inaccurate.
Most Americans would say that they would not want to live that way, and they are projecting.
A lot of Americans say that it should be the husband's decision and not the parents.
A lot of Americans say that it's a matter for the state and not the federal gov't.
And most Americans are basing their opinions on incomplete information.
Don't forget that the constitution says its a matter for the state and not the federal government.
The Pope is now on a feed tube and unable to speak or swallow foods......so by their standards, he should be starved to death too. According to their standards, he is now "sub-human"
It just kills me when people accuse the Omaha World-Herald of being "reactionary," when in fact while it once was conservative, that was a very long time ago.
And the former editor Harold Andersen was part of the problem; a limousine liberal masquerading as a "moderate" Republican.
I think money does something to people; once they get it, they tend to forget the ordinary people, they tend to forget what it was like, being poor (as was Harold Andersen in his younger days so long ago).
Such people develop this notion that now that they're affluent and comfortable, so is everybody else, nobody's been left behind, we're all doing fine.....and so let's spend some taxpayer money on this, on that, on this thing over there, on that other thing, because we all can afford it.
For all I know, Harold Andersen might be a nice guy, but it is apparent from this distance that he forgot his roots a long time ago.
Only one small problem with this.As Christians,we are to be Christ-like.I don't remember Jesus letting the blind stay blind,the lame to stay lame,those with palsy to keep it,those who were to be stoned left to die,or even Lazarus to stay dead. If Jesus were here today,I highly doubt he'd stand by and let this happen,no matter what the law says.He would go to her and heal her affliction.He wouldn't just throw up his hands and say,"Well,the courts have spoken".(If they want to really bring the Christian religion into this,they will reap what they sow.Because under no circumstances in the Christian bible does it say to just let someone die.)
"Wouldn't the more compassionate course be to release Terri from a vegetative existence in the belief you are sending her on to a better life after death?"
And Joan Kennedy was found this morning lying on a street in Boston unconscious with a broken shoulder. She's a ward of her children. Do you suppose they'll have her care yanked?
no kidding.. if the religious right owned the party, Terri wouldn't be in trouble.. nor would the country.
There's nothing quite like starting off with a false premise by which to make an opinion transparent.
I don't like the Schaivo case "defining" the Republican Party, which the media is trying to do. Plenty of liberals didn't want her feeding tube pulled, but no one ever mentions them.
I also didn't like the movie The Passion defining the Republican Party, which the media attempted to do. There are plenty of Republicans who are not Christian, who didn't see the movie, or didn't like what they saw on screen. What the heck is political about that?
I would rather the zelots and the government stay as far away from me and mine as is humanly possible.
Someone in the news media telling Republicans how they should think.
Well, she should be thankful she doesn't live in Florida
Thou shall not murder.
It think the Lord was pretty clear on this point.
I'm more an economic conservative ... but believe the feeding tube should be re-inserted and M. Schiavo shouldn't be the guardian.
1) due to lack of therapy provided (since 1993)
2) conflict of interest of the guardian (Judge Rear is showing no common sense in accepting hearsay from the husband when plenty of conflicting affadavits exist)
3) conflict of what her state is
My criticism (now and past) of Jeb Bush has nothing to do with religious activism.
Jeb acted in a cowardly manner by announcing his intention to execute his duties (i.e. asking the judge for permission) ... which seemed to invite the judge to tell him not to take action ...
This is a typical politician looking for somebody to tell them that can't do something or get involved.
Jeb probably asked Judge Rear if he could tie his shoe this morning.
I know this probably angers some here (my comments). However, I didn't think this was the walk in lockstep forum (otherwise, we are just like the DUs in that aspect).
But it's euphoric!
I doubt he's reading FR. Why don't you e-mail your post to him?
In fact, Jesus had some pretty choice words to say about "lawyers and Pharisees" who stained at legalistic gnats while swallowing whole camels.
No kidding. This whole situation is revealing who our friends really are.
"I am beginning to see that the there is going to be a split in the GOP...[...]...This whole Terri Schivio case maybe the breaking point. The religious people are getting fed up, and the power structure is just praying that she dies soon so they can go back to normal."
I think you're right. I am VERY ambivalent on this case, being essentially pro states' right and due process. I consider myself a low tax, pro-business pragmatic [what others will no doubt call 'limp'] Republican. Freerepublic has generally been a broad church where we can all josh and be welcomed - save usually for debates over Creationism, Free Trade and drugs. But this Terri case seems to have energized and split us like no other. I think Washington desperatly regrets getting involved and having geared up a movement that they can't control.
Interesting times, and it'll make for an interesting primary season in 2008.
I'll stave her if I want. She's my chattle.
Regarding "legislative intrusion into the judicial process" um, excuse me but didn't the legislature CREATE the judiciary? Isn't it the authority of Congress to set the jurisdiction of the judiciary? Isn't it the legislative body that creates the laws the judiciary is to interpret and apply? Isn't the Constitution a creation of the Congress, and isn't it the right of the Congress and the people to amend that Constitution? The members of the judiciary get one vote on the matter, a vote equal to your vote and my vote -- that is, they vote for their own representatives just like the rest of us. They THINK they get more than that, but constitutionally they do not. If they ever figure that out, then we will have restored the judicial independence the framers had in mind.
Let's let the County Club Republicans take over again. They were so good as the minority. /sarcasm
Me neither I am Christan but a piss poor one.
These days if you believe in natural law, or divine law as the authority for mans law then you are a raving right wing religious nuts even thought the founding documents of the nation reference both as the justification and bases for our government. It just doesn't get any stranger then this many many folks are woefully uneducated in matters of constitutional government and separation of powers.
The Constitution most certainly is not a creation of the legislature, it is a creation of the people and the people alone have the right to amend it.
Interesting, isn't it?
country club republicans were happier when the Democrats were in power I think
I can do icons too ;) Have one on me
It doesnt matter what you, me, the husband or even Terri whether she wants to die or not. If I ask someone to kill me, no matter how much I truly mean it, if the person kills me it is murder plain and simple. The most Terri can have done to her is refuse medical treatment, which doesnt include food and water, so in this case it is assited suicide. Otherwise the guardian is knowingly starving a person and therefore a murderer. Call it what you want but it doesnt matter what anyone feels best for her if it goes against the law.
The husband should be tried for murder if she dies from his decision.
Man's law has defined food and water as medical treatment, natural law does not.
A RINO crying about separation of powers? Arent Justices Kennedy and O Connor the Libs' new favorite RINOs?
According to whom?
When I hear "afterlife" I think pharoah and seances and new age crap. TERRI has a chance to go to heaven.
She believes in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth. And in Jesus Christ His Only Son Our Lord. Who was Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, was Crucified Died and was Buried. He descended into Hell. On the third day He rose again from the dead; He Ascended into Heaven where He sitteth at the Right Hand of the Father. He will come in Glory to Judge the Quick and the Dead.
She (and I) believe(s) in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the Forgiveness of Sins, the Resurrection of the body, and the Life Everlasting. Amen.
I think that if there is anything that this country needs it is consistency in complaining about separation of powers. Too many liberals use the argument for their own benefit and too many conservatives dispatch with it when it doesn't suit their goals. Separation of powers is absolute and nobody should be looked down upon for invoking it. They should then, however, be prevented from arguing in the opposite direction at a later date.
Right. Violence is the answer. I'm sorry, but I'm sure getting tired of this kind of post...
Irrelevant. It is a greater sin.
BTW ... it's starve, I believe, and I made it chattles instead of chattels because of my esteem for you.
However, what this writer utterly fails to undertstand is that while I may have a disagreement with them, I completely understand and respect why they have their point of view.
There is no reason for me to leave the party when we have a difference of opinion, especially when it's possible that my opinion may be wrong.
But I guess Democrats don't understand that way of thinking: they don't tolerate disagreement or discussion.