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Alan Keyes on Farah's WorldNetDaily Radioactive ("Reagan would have had the stones to save Terri")
Renew America ^ | March 30 05 | Keyes/Farah

Posted on 03/30/2005 11:20:36 AM PST by churchillbuff

JOSEPH FARAH, HOST: We've got with us a special guest. Alan Keyes is back with us--diplomat, author, talk show host, brilliant orator, statesman, constitutional scholar. And his organization the Declaration Foundation can be accessed on the web at Declaration.net. Welcome to the program, Alan.

KEYES: Thank you. Glad to be with you.

FARAH: Well, you've got another great essay in WorldNetDaily today on this Terri Schiavo case. And in it you say that Florida Governor Jeb Bush is courting dereliction of duty. Tell us what you mean.

KEYES: Well, he has two responsibilities. One, to the Constitutional rights of Terri Schiavo, as clear and specific in the Florida Constitution, which states that she has the inalienable right--every natural person in Florida has the inalienable right--to enjoy and defend their life. And that, of course, is being violated.

Now, inalienable is very important in that phrase, because it has an undisputed meaning throughout our history. It means it can't be given away, and it can't be transferred to another by law. Now, Judge Greer has, in fact, transferred Terri Schiavo's right to life to her husband, Michael Schiavo, and in doing so has violated the clear and explicit language of the Florida constitution.

Jeb Bush, therefore, by his oath to protect, support, and defend the Florida constitution, is obliged to act to stop this damage to the constitution, this violation of rights. He's also now giving the impression that, some how or another, the governor of the state must submit to a county sheriff, if that county sheriff is ordered by a judge to do x, y, and z. That is a lie.

The constitution of Florida vests supreme executive power--that is, the highest executive authority--in the governor. No judge, no law, can create a higher executive authority than the governor, so nobody can say, "No," to him. The county sheriff cannot, if he goes to help Terri Schiavo, say, "No," because he is a lower authority--not by order of a judge or by order of any statute or law, but by order of the supreme law of Florida, which is the constitution.

If he does not do his duty and he pleads the judge's order, he has actually damaged the executive power in Florida, which has been entrusted to his hands. And by damaging it, he damages the constitution--and, therefore, derogates from his own authority and fails to do his duty.

So, on two counts, he is guilty of dereliction of duty if he does not act, and it is actually impeachable. When a governor does not do what the constitution and his oath require him to do, and as a result, the rights of an individual are damaged beyond repair, because she'll be dead, and his own authority as governor is damaged--not to mention that fact that the legislative authority has been impaired--then I think it's clear that he has failed to do his duty.

FARAH: You know, the interesting thing, Alan, is that Jeb Bush, Governor Jeb Bush in Florida, has shown really from the beginning in this case that he understands what's the right thing to do. He fought for Terri's Law. He told us just days before that hearing with Judge Greer late last week that his office had the power and the authority and the responsibility to rescue Terri Schiavo. He hinted that he was going to do it, and if we're to believe the press reports on what happened, he sent a few state law enforcement officers down there, and at the first sign of resistance by the county sheriffs, he told them to back off.

KEYES: Well, you see, that, I think, is even more damaging than anything, because if he leaves the impression that the governor has kowtowed to some county sheriff, he does immeasurable harm to the Florida constitution, to the authority of the governor, to peace and order, because, at the end of the day, the guarantee against civil disorder in Florida--where some sheriff or other authority would abuse his power--is that the governor will stop him.

And if he doesn't obey the governor, and takes arms, and the governor does nothing, he gives the impression that the government of Florida can no longer defend itself. And that, obviously, is a very dangerous impression to be giving at any time about any level of our government in this country, especially at the state and national level.

So, I think he is courting disaster here. He is the governor of Florida, one of the most important states in the union. He is setting a precedent that would be powerfully damaging to the public perception of gubernatorial authority throughout the country.

And I think that in addition to the fact that he has a moral obligation to protect the rights of Terri Schiavo and not to permit her judicial murder--the same one we would all recognize if a lynching was taking place across the street from the state house. Nobody would argue that he should sit there and watch somebody hang, even if by order of a racist judge, as happened in the past in this country, as we know.

Nobody would say that he should sit on his hands and let an innocent person be killed because he is afraid to do his duty. And that is what it amounts to here: the impression that is being given. And I think he needs to act decisively, in order to correct this impression--for Terri's sake, but also for the sake of constitutional self-government in America.

FARAH: Alan Keyes, you felt so strongly about this that you traveled down to Florida in an attempt to meet face to face with Governor Bush. What happened? Did you make any headway in meetings with his top officials?

KEYES: I tried my best. I met with his deputy chief-of-staff, eventually. I was not able to see his legal counsel. Though, Larry Klayman did see him, and Bill Greene did see him--or her, rather. It's a her in this case--Raquel Rodriquez. [They] did see her.

But Florida's constitution is actually very clear, both about the fact that the governor is the supreme executive authority. And, in Article 2, Section 3, it's very clear about the fact that the branches cannot exercise the authority of another branch.

So, the judge can have his opinion, but he cannot command executive force to put that opinion into force. That's the exclusively prerogative of the executive. If the judge, then, against the governor, tries to employ force, he's actually in insurrection. It's a judicial insurrection, and it's a very dangerous moment.

FARAH: We've all seen interviews with Jeb Bush on television and heard them on radio. He sounds like a genuinely conflicted man. He seems like a man who wants to do something and feels that he's being held back. What would have happened, in your humble opinion, if Jeb Bush didn't just dispatch some law enforcement officers from the state down to Pinellas County to rescue Terri, but actually went with them, in person, to meet face to face with the Pinellas County sheriff and explain the situation?

KEYES: I think that there would have been no doubt--the Pinellas County sheriff knows good and well that his authority does not trump the governor's authority, and that if he resists the governor's authority or tries to stop the governor, lay hands on his person or anything else, he can be arrested, he even be shot dead on the spot, because to move against the governor is to move against the government of Florida. It is basically an insurrectionary act, because in his person the governor represents the executive power of government. He is the only government authority, who, in his person, represents the power of a whole branch of government.

So, in that sense of the word, there is no doubt about what would have happened. The sheriff would have stepped aside, and would step aside right now. That's the whole point. And, if somebody is telling Jeb Bush something else, then it is because they are ignorant. They do not understand the constitutional situation, and they are giving him incompetent advice.

But I will say this, I went down to Florida precisely because I thought he needed to have the best possible arguments, the best possible advice, and even though I tried at several occasions, he apparently didn't want to hear this advice. So, I'm kinda sad about that, because if he wants to do the right thing, I have provided chapter and verse with extreme clarity, an argument that cannot, I think, be refuted in terms of his clear constitutional obligation and authority in this situation.

And not only did I do it in a brief article, so that everybody who had a few minutes could see the outline of it--in depth, as you know, on WorldNetDaily, I have published a background that goes chapter and verse into the constitutional arguments both in principle and in fact that buttress this case, and I think it's very clear.

It is also true, by the way, that from a point of view of politics, somebody suggested, "Well, they might impeach him." The legislature is the court that judges the governor, not the judiciary. His court where he is tried for misconduct and charged with misconduct is not the judges, not the supreme court of Florida. It's the legislature. And he is carrying out the legislature's will as, expressed in Terri's Law.

Now, some people say, "Well, the courts struck that down." No, they didn't strike it down. They refused to apply it.

But if the governor looks at it, and says, "No. This is constitutional, and I MUST apply it," then he is carrying out the will of the legislature--and together, the governor and the legislature trump the judiciary. The judiciary is not the supreme branch of government. It is an equal branch of government. It has a say, but it cannot have the ultimate say, or we would have a government that was no longer constitutional.

FARAH: You would think, with all the time that this case has occupied with the Florida State Legislature, the Supreme Court, the Governor, the U.S. Congress, the whole 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the U.S. Supreme Court, that Jeb Bush would have taken a little bit of time to head that posse that went down to Pinellas County, just so that there would be no confusion. And for the life of me, I can't understand why he didn't do it. That would have been an act of leadership by the governor of Florida.

KEYES: I must say, and I say it in my little piece, Ronald Reagan would have done that. You and I both know it.

FARAH: Yep.

KEYES: Reagan would have seen this situation, he would have understood it, and he would have gone in person to make sure that it was done according to the Constitution, according to his gubernatorial authority, according to constitutional right and justice. And I think that is, I guess, the measure of the man, because these kinds of situations are the test. They show an individual in terms of that ultimate character that is needed to really stand with courage and conviction and strength in a way that will preserve our constitutional integrity.

FARAH: Alan Keyes, thanks so much for being with us. We'll be back with more after this.


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"""Reagan would have seen this situation, he would have understood it, and he would have gone in person to make sure that it was done according to the Constitution, according to his gubernatorial authority, according to constitutional right and justice. And I think that is, I guess, the measure of the man, because these kinds of situations are the test. They show an individual in terms of that ultimate character that is needed to really stand with courage and conviction and strength in a way that will preserve our constitutional integrity."""
1 posted on 03/30/2005 11:20:37 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Reagan didn't have the stones to come out and personally address the March for Life.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 11:22:46 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: churchillbuff

""""even more damaging than anything, because if he leaves the impression that the governor has kowtowed to some county sheriff, he does immeasurable harm to the Florida constitution, to the authority of the governor, to peace and order, because, at the end of the day, the guarantee against civil disorder in Florida--where some sheriff or other authority would abuse his power--is that the governor will stop him. """


3 posted on 03/30/2005 11:23:02 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I was wondering the other day of Reagan's reaction to this mess, and people's reaction to Reagan's action. Frankly, I think the whole thing would have been settled in an hour with the stroke of a pen, the harmonious wailers be damned.

Reagan faced the gale and charged full ahead.

4 posted on 03/30/2005 11:24:24 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: churchillbuff
Farah: if Jeb Bush didn't just dispatch some law enforcement officers from the state down to Pinellas County to rescue Terri, but actually went with them, in person, to meet face to face with the Pinellas County sheriff and explain the situation?

KEYES: I think that there would have been no doubt--the Pinellas County sheriff knows good and well that his authority does not trump the governor's authority, and that if he resists the governor's authority or tries to stop the governor, lay hands on his person or anything else, he can be arrested, he even be shot dead on the spot, because to move against the governor is to move against the government of Florida. It is basically an insurrectionary act, because in his person the governor represents the executive power of government.

5 posted on 03/30/2005 11:24:47 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: wideawake

Remember how Reagan fired the striking air controllers? There were wails of protest. I think he would have dealt with insubordinate local sheriffs -- and a swamp judge -- the same way.


6 posted on 03/30/2005 11:26:03 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

It's not very hard for me to say what I think the Gipper would have done, most likely he'd have taken her out of there first chance he got. Can't be positive on that but it's my gut feeling anyway.


7 posted on 03/30/2005 11:26:18 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Rembember what Reagan's biographer (Morris) said: That Reagan thought Bush Sr. wasn't "all man." Unfortunately, Jeb and W aren't acting like mensches in this crisis, as George pipsqueak Greer has his way with them.


8 posted on 03/30/2005 11:27:52 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: All
Of course he's serious, but that's yet another reason why I am not fond of Keyes. He's just not rational.

I've heard people suggest that Bush send SWAT teams into the hospice. I don't know about the rest of you, but I cannot think any sane person would advocate "storming" the hospice and running the risk of hurting any of the other patients.

Not that I approve of what's happening to Terri, but Keyes is just not helping matters.

9 posted on 03/30/2005 11:29:25 AM PST by kellynch (Whining about income inequality is a cop-out. -- Walter E. Williams)
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To: atomicpossum

Yes, but Keyes needs to stop slamming President Bush.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 11:31:03 AM PST by stopem
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To: kellynch

Do you not agree with Keyes that the judge instigated an extra-constitutional insurrection, if the reports are true that the local cops had shoot-out orders if state offcials were to show up? That's rebellion. And Jeb Bush lets it go unanswered? Doesn't even speak out about it?


11 posted on 03/30/2005 11:31:18 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Very important find. Thank you.

It's funny. Keyes talked at length on a Constitutional level. It didn't reach many people. But put a human face on leadership, such as Ronaldus Maximus, and that will have much more impact. FReegards....


12 posted on 03/30/2005 11:31:26 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: churchillbuff

This is the video that should be shown on the news everynight - it is even more powerful than the balloon video.

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm

You need Real Player to watch this, available free on the internet.

This is not reflex action - she heard the doctor, she opened her eyes as wide as she could to impress him.

Even Fox news has ignored this clip.


13 posted on 03/30/2005 11:31:34 AM PST by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The first freedom is life.)
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To: stopem
Keyes needs to stop slamming President Bush.""""

Don't worry. Terri's killers will have finished her off in another few hours. Then we can all go back to praising the Bush brothers as fearless leaders.

14 posted on 03/30/2005 11:32:04 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
a human face on leadership, such as Ronaldus Maximus""""

I couldn't see either Bush brother doing anything like firing all the air controllers. Not a "prudent," skull and bones kind of thing to do. Reagan raised himself up from poverty -- a man's man. I agree with Keyes: The Gipper would not have let an innocent disabled woman be killed by state order.

15 posted on 03/30/2005 11:33:51 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Never read that biography but I will look it up, sounds interesting.


16 posted on 03/30/2005 11:34:31 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: churchillbuff

woulda shoulda coulda


17 posted on 03/30/2005 11:34:47 AM PST by woofie (Im not here right now ..Im on vacation)
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To: stopem

I am proud I supported and voted for Keyes in the 2000 primary. Not only this, he was a visionary regarding the Fair Tax and School Choice. No 'new tone'. No UN pandering. He would have been one amazing president.

Putting that aside, Bush was a good alternative who rose above my expectations.

FReegards....


18 posted on 03/30/2005 11:34:51 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: churchillbuff

Look, I'm not going to impugn Bush's character-- I think he IS conflicted and wants to do the right thing. But I do impugn his judgment and wisdom in not listening to anyone's advice but his own attorney, and I do impugn his strength.

If he's not the man to make and act on such a clear exmaple of right and wrong, he's not the man for the job.


19 posted on 03/30/2005 11:36:38 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: churchillbuff

They never address the reality of just how much so many of these folk in government (or even in my own Catholic Church) fear the Scientologists and want to stay clear (no pun intended) of this one.


20 posted on 03/30/2005 11:37:08 AM PST by Siobhan (Divine Mercy Chaplet)
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To: churchillbuff

Is this the same Keyes that supported slave reparations during his Senate campaign?


21 posted on 03/30/2005 11:37:49 AM PST by Redgirl
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Reagan biographer Edmund Morris (in a TV interview -- google it, you'll find the quote):

``Reagan was a man who admired strength. I think he perceived Bush (Sr.) as a man who caved in at times of emergency. Reagan thought that Bush was not `all man,' and Bush was aware of that.''

22 posted on 03/30/2005 11:38:27 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Mr. Keyes proves yet again that it's easiest to throw rocks from the sideline...and there isn't a more perfect bench-warmer than he.


23 posted on 03/30/2005 11:39:46 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: wideawake

No one is perfect. Not even me, believe it or not [tripping over stool as I walk off].


24 posted on 03/30/2005 11:40:24 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: churchillbuff; Alamo-Girl; marron; joanie-f; Jeff Head; xzins; PatrickHenry; Saundra Duffy; ...

ping


25 posted on 03/30/2005 11:41:09 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Cyber Liberty

"Mr. Keyes proves yet again that it's easiest to throw rocks from the sideline"

What sideline? He's never on the fence.


"...and there isn't a more perfect bench-warmer than he."

Our loss he isn't president.


26 posted on 03/30/2005 11:42:00 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: atomicpossum

Like Beruit?


27 posted on 03/30/2005 11:44:39 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
What sideline?

The sideline that demarks who is playing, and who's spectating.

No, he's certainly not on the fence. He's also not in the game, for which I am grateful. I could not stand to hear his constant complaining, day in and day out.

28 posted on 03/30/2005 11:45:28 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: churchillbuff

Ah, there is no problem so difficult that its lack of solution cannot be blamed on Republicans.


29 posted on 03/30/2005 11:46:42 AM PST by AmishDude (I'm not self-righteous enough to be in the WPPFF.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
He's also not in the game,"""

Neither are Jeb or W. They're sitting on the sideline, trying to change the subject, while Terri Schiavo is being killed by an out-of-control judge.

30 posted on 03/30/2005 11:47:00 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Redgirl

http://www.keyes2004.com/news/040818reparations.php

Based not only on the quote, but having listened to his radio program for a long time, I think he was making a point about tax relief for everyone:

"Noting that black slaves "were deprived of any opportunity to build wealth the way people would ordinarily build wealth," Keyes suggested that tax breaks offered a reasonable solution to the legacy of material disadvantage that continues today among African-Americans of slave heritage.

"Keyes added, "I think a cogent argument could be made for such 'reparations' in principle."


31 posted on 03/30/2005 11:48:18 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: McGavin999
Like Beruit?

That is the one great failure I lay at Reagan's door.

32 posted on 03/30/2005 11:48:25 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: churchillbuff
"That Reagan thought Bush Sr. wasn't "all man.""

Completely unfair to Bush Sr. who volunteered for flight duty and was shot down. The jury is still out on Dubya and Jeb on being testicle challenged.

33 posted on 03/30/2005 11:49:19 AM PST by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: AmishDude
Ah, there is no problem so difficult that its lack of solution cannot be blamed on Republicans."""

Nope, I'm not a Republican-basher. I'm a registered Republican, and an admirer of the greatest Republican president of the last 100 years -- Reagan. I'm criticizing Jeb and W not because they're Republicans but because they are the chief executives of Florida and the US, respectively, but they refuse to save an innocent disabled woman from being deliberately killed by a demented, power-usurping county judge. If that kind of "leadership" is OK with you - as long as the "leaders" have R after their name -- then we'll have to agree to disagree.

34 posted on 03/30/2005 11:50:01 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: ex-snook
Completely unfair to Bush Sr. who volunteered for flight duty and was shot down.

Yeah, but in office he was a wimp. Caved into Tip ONeil again and again. We read his lips - and because he was as spooked by ONeill as the Bush brothers are by George Greer - he turned around and raised taxes, and lost reelection as a result.

35 posted on 03/30/2005 11:51:50 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: atomicpossum
You guys need to understand that a President can only do so much.

Keyes is doing far more damage here then good. That's why nobody would meet with him. He keeps up and nobody ever will meet with him.

He completely forgets that Jeb played that hand the last time and was able to save Terri, but the SCOFL slapped him down.

This country is not a dictatorship, and we like it that way....most of the time.

I want us to save Terri too, but this snipping at President Bush and Governor Bush only serves the democrats and doesn't help Terri one bit.

36 posted on 03/30/2005 11:51:56 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: churchillbuff
Nope, I'm not a Republican-basher.

Of course you are. You always do it. If anyone doubts me, do a search of your previous posts.

And, actually, I was referring to Keyes and Klayman, but if the shoe fits...

37 posted on 03/30/2005 11:52:19 AM PST by AmishDude (I'm not self-righteous enough to be in the WPPFF.)
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To: churchillbuff
Now, inalienable is very important in that phrase, because it has an undisputed meaning throughout our history. It means it can't be given away, and it can't be transferred to another by law. Now, Judge Greer has, in fact, transferred Terri Schiavo's right to life to her husband, Michael Schiavo, and in doing so has violated the clear and explicit language of the Florida constitution.

Jeb Bush, therefore, by his oath to protect, support, and defend the Florida constitution, is obliged to act to stop this damage to the constitution, this violation of rights. He's also now giving the impression that, some how or another, the governor of the state must submit to a county sheriff, if that county sheriff is ordered by a judge to do x, y, and z. That is a lie.

The constitution of Florida vests supreme executive power--that is, the highest executive authority--in the governor. No judge, no law, can create a higher executive authority than the governor, so nobody can say, "No," to him. The county sheriff cannot, if he goes to help Terri Schiavo, say, "No," because he is a lower authority--not by order of a judge or by order of any statute or law, but by order of the supreme law of Florida, which is the constitution.

Stated correctly, forcefully, flawlessly, and persuasively, as usual.

38 posted on 03/30/2005 11:53:03 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: churchillbuff

I really get sick and tired of the self proclaimed bluest of the blue blood conservatives(keyes, buchanan, randall terry, etc.etc.) trying to pit conservative brother against conservative brother.


39 posted on 03/30/2005 11:53:16 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: McGavin999

Uh, who sniped at Bush? I was assessing Reagan.


40 posted on 03/30/2005 11:54:44 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: AmishDude

So you're another freeper who thinks it's fine that a backwater probate judge can order local cops to resist the state child-protection agency, and the law enforcement agency of the governor, --- and nobody does or says anything about it? Ronald Reagan - who fired the PATCO union slackers without a second thought -- wouldn't have put up with this insurrection by "Judge" Greer.


41 posted on 03/30/2005 11:54:45 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I'm sorry, but Alan Keyes does not speak for Ronald Reagen. The man is dead, so its easy to ascribe opinions to him as he is not here to refute them.

Keyes and a number of folks on this forum are all wrong on this. Niether Bush could do anything to stop what has happened without committing an impeachable offense. Alan Keyes (and a bunch of FReepers) would suggest that the proper thing to do would be break the law, violate the constitution, get impeached and get booted out of office. Would Dr. Keyes do that? He talks a good game, but he wouldn't have the stones. Hell, he'd never have the chance because he would never have been in office in the first place. Alan Keyes is an unelecatble idealogue.

The fact is that sometimes bad things happen. And some times good men can do nothing (short of becoming the bad guy) to stop it. Its unfornuate, but it is what it is.

Should Jeb or W gone in at gunpoint and siezed Terri (ala Elian Gonzolez)? Gee. let's think about that one...how did FReepers react to that? Let's assume that they did it and set the precendent and 6 years hence, there is another battle, this time the judge sides with the parents and the spouse wants to pull the plug, and there are countless stories of how ths person is truly in a vegitative state and its well documented that she did not want to be kept alive... and President Clinton decides to send in the troops to take the person away and let her die /pull the plug. Well, if its OK for W or Jeb to do it now, you'd have no problem with Hillary doing that, right?

We complain about how the Clintons had no respect for the constitution or the rule of law when they did things... yet now, there are FReepers bitching about W and Jeb not haveing the "stones" to break the law; that they are wrongfully respecting the Constitution and the rule of law.

I think its terrible that she is going to die. I think that the husband may have caused her current condition. I think the husband is creepy...that he should not be involved given the fact that he's got kids with another woman and some of the crap he pulled... but the fact is that he has effectively used the courts and has the authority to do what he is doing. If you don't like it, work to change the system and change the laws.


42 posted on 03/30/2005 11:55:32 AM PST by RayBob (Republicans...we eat our own.)
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To: churchillbuff

I agree with Keyes.

I truly believe that President Reagan would have stepped in to stop this murder.

The Governor and the President have the authority and Pres. Reagan would have exercised his authority. He did, when he bombed the Libyan President Qaddafi. Congress passed an unjust law, not to target the heads of State that were our enemies. We could only wage war, not target the sadistic dictators. Reagan said he was targeting something else, but everyone knew Omar Qaddafi was his real target.

The law was passed after the rumors that Kennedy had the CIA assassinate Diem in South Vietnam, our ally, not our enemy. Reagan could see through the unjust law Congress past that tied our hands against people like Qaddafi and acted. He acted quickly and decisively in Grenada too.

Pres. Reagan was a practical man, He would have helped Terri.

Eisenhower sent the federal troops into the South to protect the civil rights of people. I believe he also would have done something to protect Terri's civil right to life.


43 posted on 03/30/2005 11:56:03 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: McGavin999
You guys need to understand that a President can only do so much.""""

That's true, but he hasn't done it yet. Instead, he's allowed a backwater probate judge to mount an insurrection against a state agency and state law enforcers. Outrageous.

44 posted on 03/30/2005 11:56:06 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

My disappointment over this current Bush is his handling of the border crisis, I'm not really sure what he or Reagan as president could do or have done. As governor though Reagan in California probably would have handled it differently than Jeb. He was of a totally different political breed.


45 posted on 03/30/2005 11:57:14 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: RayBob
I'm sorry, but Alan Keyes does not speak for Ronald Reagen"""

You're right. Reagan's actions speak for Ronald Reagan. And the man who fired the insubordinate PATCO union slackers, wouldn't have allowed a county judge to deploy local police against a state agency and state law-enforcers. That's a rebellion, and Reagan wouldn't have stood for it.

46 posted on 03/30/2005 11:57:51 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Dane
"I really get sick and tired of the self proclaimed bluest of the blue blood conservatives(keyes, buchanan, randall terry, etc.etc.) trying to pit conservative brother against conservative brother."

They are all self-proclaimed and practicing pro-lifers. Actually maybe it is Conservatives against Republicans. [I don't know what Terry is, anybody?]

47 posted on 03/30/2005 11:58:10 AM PST by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: churchillbuff
Nope, I'm not a Republican-basher.

No, you're just an anti-war Bush-basher.

48 posted on 03/30/2005 11:58:21 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Pro-Terri - NOT anti-Bush.)
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To: churchillbuff
Now you are
  1. deflecting
  2. setting up a strawman
  3. incredibly wrong

But I'm not going to bite. You are a Republican basher to your very core.

If you want to know my opinion, I suggest you look at my posts (or my tagline). And I know you care what I think. Everyone does.

49 posted on 03/30/2005 11:58:23 AM PST by AmishDude (I'm not self-righteous enough to be in the WPPFF.)
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To: mikeus_maximus
I think he IS conflicted and wants to do the right thing.

It looks that way. I doubt that he understands the situation the way Keyes does. He's uncertain about what to do, so he goes with the status quo. Sad. But this demonstrates the importance of understanding and adhering to principles.

50 posted on 03/30/2005 11:58:42 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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