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BUFFETT WAS IN THE DARK ON TAINTED AIG DEALS (Warren didn't know?)
NY POST ^ | 3/30/05 | RICHARD WILNER

Posted on 03/30/2005 2:31:09 PM PST by Liz

Warren Buffett didn't know how AIG's Hank Greenberg was going to use or misuse reinsurance products sold to the insurer in 2001.

The Oracle of Omaha, who is expected to be questioned by insurance regulators in two weeks about the deals with AIG, "was not briefed on how the transactions were to be structured," his company, Berkshire Hathaway, said yesterday.

Neither was Buffett, 74, briefed "on any improper use or purposes of the transactions"........

Greenberg and AIG are under fire from both federal and state regulators for the structure of several deals, including those with Buffett's General Reinsurance, that were no more than thinly veiled attempts to inflate reserves.

The pressure from the SEC and from Spitzer has crushed AIG stock recently and led to Greenberg's announcement at 10:49 p.m. Monday night that he would not stand for reelection as AIG chairman but would retire.

Two weeks earlier, Greenberg was forced to resign as CEO, a position he held for nearly 40 years.

Separately, AIG said it stepped up security at its Bermuda-based American International Co. in a memo prohibiting destruction of documents or removal of files.

Greenberg joins his son, Jeffrey Greenberg, who was forced out by Spitzer as CEO of insurance broker Marsh & McLennan in October.

Spitzer yesterday commended the AIG board for its actions, which he called "wise."

"[It] has moved quickly to address problems uncovered by an investigation by my office and the SEC," Spitzer said in a statement. "The board brought in outside counsel to investigate wrongdoing, and is cooperating fully with regulators. The board has made difficult decisions, including major personnel changes."

Spitzer said without the elder Greenberg atop the giant insurer, the months-long probe is now "on a path toward resolution."

Shares of AIG were up $1.18, or 2.07 percent, to $58.20.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aig; buffett; generalre
.....Buffett didn't know how AIG's Hank Greenberg (now retired) was going to use or misuse reinsurance products sold to the insurer in 2001. .........AIG said it stepped up security at its Bermuda-based American International Co. in a memo prohibiting destruction of documents or removal of files......

Maybe Ken Lay shoulda "retired" to escape justice (/sarc).

1 posted on 03/30/2005 2:31:09 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

someone call Bernie Ebbers - tell him he should have kept his stock high by buying other companies. Worked for WB.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 2:35:37 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: q_an_a; Grampa Dave; A. Pole

Yeah, Bernie really screwed-up that one (/sarc).


3 posted on 03/30/2005 2:37:29 PM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: q_an_a

Buffett is a crook. He is currently shorting the US dollar while he and Bill Gates is going around the nation telling people that the dollar has a long way to go before hitting bottom. SEC should be looking into his business practices.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


4 posted on 03/30/2005 2:40:35 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (<<<------- shameless promotion- visit & win my love forever)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
He is currently shorting the US dollar while he and Bill Gates is going around the nation telling people that the dollar has a long way to go before hitting bottom. SEC should be looking into his business practices.

If they find some serious problems at AIG, you can almost bet even money that the SEC will start looking at Berkshire Hathaway's relationship with AIG. That could cause no end of trouble for Warren Buffett, and it might just lead into an investigation of the financial operations of Buffett's financial empire. We may be at the tip of a financial scandal that could make Enron and Worldcom look like a minor event in comparison.

5 posted on 03/30/2005 2:49:37 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Liz
Why, this is almost as corrupt as the Schiavo case!*

*[2005 Terri Award Nominee, "Most oblique reference to the topic that must be mentioned on every single #@$&ing thread"]

6 posted on 03/30/2005 3:21:16 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
Buffett is a crook. He is currently shorting the US dollar while he and Bill Gates is going around the nation telling people that the dollar has a long way to go before hitting bottom. SEC should be looking into his business practices.

I wasn't aware that that was illegal.

7 posted on 03/30/2005 3:25:39 PM PST by Nathaniel Fischer
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To: Liz

Follow the money; he's dirty as sin.


8 posted on 03/30/2005 3:28:35 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: RayChuang88

I'd absolutely love to see the Oracle of Omaha in cuffs...what a friggn hypocrite. All my Liberal friends are going to take a bath on that expensive BH stock they adore, LOL.


9 posted on 03/30/2005 4:52:07 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: iopscusa

Biggest tax shelter in the world-for Buffett. Won't even pay a modicum of dividend to shareholders.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 5:07:38 PM PST by donozark (ATTENTION MICHAEL MOORE:Please go to the courtesy desk. The forklift you requested is ready!)
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To: Liz
My sense (for all that it is worth) is that Mr. Buffet runs a good business in a business-like fashion. I don't think it's likely that he would trouble himself to do something indefensible -- he's quite wealthy and it really wouldn't be that sensible, and if there is anything that Mr. Buffet is sensible about, it's the cost/benefit ratio of various activities.

Some of the takes that the government have espoused in various cases about financial products makes me wonder if their prosecutors have any real understanding of what they are prosecuting. Clear problems, such as the bid-rigging, are mixed in with items that are not so clearly a problem at all.

11 posted on 03/30/2005 5:16:00 PM PST by snowsislander (Isa41:17-When the poor and needy seek water,and there is none,and their tongue faileth for thirst...)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Follow the money; he's dirty as sin.

No problem. What's he accused of doing, and what is the evidense?

12 posted on 03/30/2005 5:20:23 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Nathaniel Fischer

"I wasn't aware that that was illegal."

His actions may not be illegal, but it’s deceitful at best. He is buying positions short on the dollar, and THEN uses his fame to talk the dollar down. Buffet control enough wealth to push the dollar down just by leveraging through option contracts. When you add this to the press conferences, I believe he is manipulating the markets. He controls a massive amount of wealth through his company, and his actions are not appropriate.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


13 posted on 03/30/2005 6:51:40 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (<<<------- shameless promotion- visit & win my love forever)
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To: Liz

Buffet doesn't know diddly about reinsurance - a very technical business and a gambler's paradise. Big bucks and big risk. He runs a holding co. and lets existing management work the businesses that he buys. Watch for General Re names to show up as this develops - Ferguson, Brandon...


14 posted on 03/30/2005 7:11:11 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Buffet is a super rich and elite member of the Rat Party.

So he will skate by on this.

Speaking of Crooks, pray you never get hit by a Geico Driver, (Geico one of Buffet's companies.)

We were rear ended by a a Geico Drive before Christmas and Geico has yet to pay a nickel.


15 posted on 03/31/2005 5:43:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: donozark; SierraWasp; Liz; Southack

"Biggest tax shelter in the world-for Buffett. Won't even pay a modicum of dividend to shareholders."


Buffet went bonkers re GW's tax plan to cut the tax on dividends. He advised Arnold to get rid of prop 13 before Arnold dumped him as his financial advisor re how help California.

Anyone who owns mutual funds or stocks that don't declare dividends, might want to sell them.


16 posted on 03/31/2005 5:47:07 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

That is Buffet's modus operandi in his public securities plays.

He poo-pooed corporate bonds down a few years back and then gobbled them up.

He is not stupid but he does have some snake oil in him.

And his politics and behavior towards family leave a lot to be desired.

And lest we forget, he is one of the world's leading financiers of infanticide.


17 posted on 03/31/2005 5:52:42 AM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: Grampa Dave

Thanks for the input.


18 posted on 03/31/2005 7:25:11 AM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: snowsislander; Grampa Dave
"Some of the takes that the government have espoused in various cases about financial products makes me wonder if their prosecutors have any real understanding of what they are prosecuting. Clear problems, such as the bid-rigging, are mixed in with items that are not so clearly a problem at all."

Yes, and Eliot Spithead fancies himself as Eliot Ness reincarnate... The big "Untouchable" ya know... Phhhhhht!!!

AIG's biggest mistake was ever getting involved in any way with the so-called "Oracle of Omaha!"

19 posted on 03/31/2005 7:36:00 AM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Better known as the leftist Whoracle of Omaha.
20 posted on 03/31/2005 7:40:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: wardaddy
"Lest we forget, he is one of the world's leading financiers of infanticide."

These super rich elites of the left wing push and finance abortion and many have financed the love of eugenics/euthansia for the rest of us.

21 posted on 03/31/2005 7:43:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"eugenics/euthansia"

Isn't that summa the crappola that Dr. Kavorikian cum up with up at that eunivercity in eugene, OR???

22 posted on 03/31/2005 2:28:20 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; wardaddy
"eugenics/euthansia"

Referencing Michael Crichton's book :

State of FearSee Appendix I....

Why Politicized Science is Dangerous

Of course the Novel is based on the orchestrated media phenomena of "Global Warming and the hoax thereof" but the Appendix references the theory that arose a century ago....supported by some major names... Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Winston Churchill, approved by Supreme court Justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis. also Alexander Graham Bell, Luther Burbank...etc.

The theory was

EUGENICS

23 posted on 03/31/2005 3:44:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: SierraWasp

CTTDB!!!!


24 posted on 03/31/2005 3:45:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: SierraWasp

CTTDB!!!!


25 posted on 03/31/2005 3:45:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: SierraWasp
CTTDB!!!! means ....

Write the damn buffer....should have been WTDB!!

Couldn't see what I had posted!

26 posted on 03/31/2005 3:55:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; BOBTHENAILER; Liz

Michael's book was great and that section was very scary with the love of death going on in Floriduh, across the nation and with some Freepers.

Thanks for posting it.


27 posted on 03/31/2005 4:13:19 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Referencing Michael Crichton's book :

State of Fear See Appendix I....

Why Politicized Science is Dangerous

Of course the Novel is based on the orchestrated media phenomena of "Global Warming and the hoax thereof" but the Appendix references the theory that arose a century ago....supported by some major names... Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Winston Churchill, approved by Supreme court Justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis. also Alexander Graham Bell, Luther Burbank...etc.

The theory was

EUGENICS



Below is an excellent history of Eugenics with the left of America and the tie ins with the Hitler Eugenic pushers.

The elite lefties aren't the only ones who push Eugenics, the pseudo conservatives who hate God, push Eugenics as hard as the lunatic left does.

http://geocities.com/jonjayray/lefteug2.html

EUGENICS AND THE LEFT



John J. Ray

Hitler's American inspiration

Everybody now knows how evil Nazi eugenics were: How all sorts of people were exterminated not because of anything they had done but simply because of the way they had been born. And we have all heard how disastrous were the Nazi efforts to build up the "master race" through selective breeding of SS men with the best of German women -- the "Lebensborn" project. Good Leftists today recoil in horror from all that of course and use their "Hitler was a Rightist" mantra to load those evils onto conservatives. But Hitler was a socialist. As he himself said:


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

So it should come as no surprise that Hitler's eugenics were an intergral part of his socialism and that the great supporters of COMPULSORY eugenics worldwide in Hitler's day were overwhelmingly of the Left. Left-influenced historians commonly blur the distinction between a belief in eugenic or dysgenic processes and actually advocating a State-enforced eugenics program but we can find the facts if we look carefully. And it was American Leftists upon whom Hitler principally drew for his "inspiration" in the eugenics field.

In the USA, the great eugenicists of the first half of the 20th century were the "Progressives". As it says here:


A significant number of Progressives -- including David Starr Jordan, Robert Latham Owen, William Allen Wilson, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Robert Latou Dickinson, Katherine Bement Davis, and Virginia Gildersleeve--were deeply involved with the eugenics movement

And as we read further here:


The second stage in the development of the eugenics movement extended from 1905 to 1930, when eugenics entered its period of greatest influence. More and more progressive reformers became convinced that a good proportion of the social ills in the United States lay in hereditary factors....

An educator, biologist, and leader of the American peace movement, Jordan's main contribution as a major architect of American eugenics was to bridge the gap between eugenics and other reform groups. Like other progressives, Jordan subscribed to the Populist-Progressive criticism of laissez-faire capitalism. Jordan had faith in progress and in a new generation. Yet, this optimistic environmentalism of Jordan's contradicted his Darwinian-hereditarian outlook of the world. Ironically, a similar ambivalence - - a "love-hate" attitude toward environmentalism - - ran through most progressive ideology.

For Jordan, the first president of Leland Stanford University, education permitted society's better members to outlive inferior peoples. Jordan believed the twentieth century had no place for the weak, the incompetent, and the uneducated. In addition, Jordan urged an end to indiscriminate and sentimental charity, a major factor he believed in the survival of the unfit. Jordan, like most progressives, viewed the urban setting as detrimental and destructive to human life. He held the general progressive belief in the social goodness of the small town or farm. The progressive's romantic attraction to the countryside can be partly explained by the alien character of the urban population. An increasing number of city dwellers belonged to the "undesirable foreign element".


And who were the Progressives? Here is the same writer's summary of them:


"Originally, progressive reformers sought to regulate irresponsible corporate monopoly, safeguarding consumers and labor from the excesses of the profit motive. Furthermore, they desired to correct the evils and inequities created by rapid and uncontrolled urbanization. Progressivism ..... asserted that the social order could and must be improved..... Some historians, like Richard Hofstadter and George Mowry, have argued that the progressive movement attempted to return America to an older, more simple, agrarian lifestyle. For a few progressives, this certainly was true. But for most, a humanitarian doctrine of social progress motivated the reforming spirit"
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Sound familiar? The Red/Green alliance of today is obviously not new. So Hitler's eugenics were yet another part of Hitler's LEFTISM! He got his eugenic theories from the Leftists of his day. He was simply being a good Leftist intellectual in subscribing to such theories.

Both quotes above are from De Corte (1978). Against all his own evidence, De Corte also claims that the Progressives were "conservative". More Leftist whitewash! Unless it was glaringly obvious that someone was of the Left, just believing in eugenics MADE that person conservative in De Corte's view. Other evidence of their conservatism was not needed or cited. There is a detailed discussion of what the "Progressivism" of the time actually was here. Whatever else it was, it was clearly not conservative.

But the book by Pickens (1968) sets out the connection between the Progressives and eugenics far more throughly than the few quotes here can indicate.

Eugenics, however, was popular science generally in the first half of the 20th century. As a scientific idea it was not confined to Leftists. But note the difference in the IMPLEMENTATION of eugenic ideas (again from De Corte):


Even early social crusaders held similar illiberal views. Josephine Shaw Lowell, a leader in asylum reform, stated in 1884 that "every person born into a civilized community has a right to live, yet the community has the right to say that incompetent and dangerous persons shall not, so far as can be helped, be born to acquire this right to live upon others. Thus, strands of eugenic-style racism not only found their way into conservative philosophy represented by Sumner and other Social Darwinists but so did progressive reform ideals. Consequently, reformers began viewing the criminal, insane, epileptic, retarded and impoverished as more products of their heredity than of their social surroundings.

Whereas Social Darwinists desired to let nature take its course in eliminating the "unfit," eugenicists, on the other hand, felt Social Darwinism had not accomplished the task of guaranteeing the "survival of the fittest" quickly enough. For eugenicists, the "vigorous classes" should be encouraged to have more children, while the "incompetent classes" should be compelled to have fewer. Consequently, eugenicists in their distrust of laissez-faire concluded that "natural selection" must be helped along.

So conservatives, in their usual way, wanted to leave well enough alone. It was the LEFTISTS, in their usual way, who actually wanted to start compulsion in the matter.

And in Britain too the Leftists of the first half of the 20th century were outspokenly in favour of eugenics. As just one instance, that famous philosopher, peacenik and anti-nuclear camapaigner, Bertrand Russell spoke in favour of it. Writing in "Icarus Or the Future of Science" in 1924 he clearly approved of it though he did voice doubts about it falling into the wrong hands. And in a letter to his first wife, feminist Alys Pearsall Smith, about socialism and "the woman question," he wrote of eugenics in words that could well have been Hitler's -- even echoing Hitler's bad grammar:


"Thee might observe incidentally that if the state paid for child-bearing it might and ought to require a medical certificate that the parents were such as to give a reasonable result of a healthy child -- this would afford a very good inducement to some sort of care for the race, and gradually as public opinion became educated by the law, it might react on the law and make that more stringent, until one got to some state of things in which there would be a little genuine care for the race, instead of the present haphazard higgledy-piggledy ways."

(Quoted from here)

Even when Russell came to realize that State-sponsored eugenics could very easily fall into the wrong hands -- a realization he expresses in Icarus he still clearly saw it as desirable at least in theory.

And Russell was not alone in Britain. As it says here:


The fact is that eugenics was popular across the political spectrum for many years, both in England and in North America (e.g., Paul, 1984; Soloway, 1990). In England, many socialists supported eugenics. Even those viewed as critics, such as J. B .S. Haldane, Lancelot Hogben and Julian Huxley were not against eugenics per se, but came to believe that eugenics in capitalist societies was infected with class bias. Even so, some (see Paul, 1984), accepted the idea of upper class genetic superiority.

Not only were R. B. Cattell's eugenic beliefs commonplace in that milieu, but he was influenced by prominent socialists who supported eugenics, men such as Shaw, Wells, Huxley and Haldane, some of whom he knew (Hurt, 1998). Jonathan Harwood (1980) actually cited the example of Cattell to demonstrate that British eugenics was not a right-wing preserve in the inter-war years (although Keith Hurt, 1998, has noted that Harwood later characterised Cattell's 1972 book on Beyondism as a "right-wing eugenic fantasy").

Oppenheim (1982) claimed that American eugenicists were opposed by those in the Progressive Movement, juxtaposing the hereditarian reformism of the former with the environmental reformism of the latter. Actually many progressives were also eugenicists and incorporated the idea of eugenic reforms into their larger agenda (e.g., Burnham, 1977); there was a great deal of cross-over between the two movements (e.g., Pickens, 1968).

The few real critics of eugenics in the early 20th century were mainly conservatives and Christians like G.K. Chesterton who saw eugenic planning as just another arm of the wider campaign to impose a "scientific" socialist planning. In fact Chesterton subtitled his anti-eugenics tract "Eugenics and Other Evils" as: "An Argument Against the Scientifically Organized State".

So, as we see from all the quotes above, the racialist thinking of the eugenic socialists was quite "scientific" and progressive in it's day, much as 'global warming' is seen as scientific and progressive today. And many of the eugenics true believers continued on postwar moving into campaigns for legalised abortion, planned parenthood and population control. In fact some modern-day pro-lifers have highlighted the racist roots of much of the liberal pro-abortion movement.

And eugenics of a sort IS back on the Left: The Zero Population Growth brigade are back with their "people are pollution" attitudes! Only this time they want to HALVE our population! And it does seem to be the old gang from the 1960's again -- including Paul Ehrlich. The abject failure of their earlier prophecies -- e.g. that we would all be doomed by the 1970s -- has not dampened them down a bit.

The Feminist connection

And are feminists conservative? Hardly. And feminists are hardly a new phenomenon either. In the person of Margaret Sanger and others, they were very active and prominent in the USA in first half of the 20th century, advocating (for instance) abortion. And Margaret Sanger was warmly praised by Hitler for her energetic championship of eugenics. And the American eugenicists were very racist. They wanted to reduce the black population and they shared Hitler's view that Jews were genetically inferior -- opposing moves to allow into the USA Jews fleeing from Hitler. So if Hitler's eugenics and racial theories were loathsome, it should be acknowledged that his vigorous supporters in the matter at that time were Leftists and feminists, rather than conservatives.

The Greenie connection

As in America, Hitler's eugenics were in fact just one aspect of a larger "Greenie" theme -- a theme that continues, of course, as the Red/Green alliance of today. The Nazis were in fact probably the first major political party in the Western world to have a thoroughgoing "Green" agenda. A good short summary of that has been written by Andrew Bolt. Excerpts:


Hitler's preaching about German strength and destiny was water in the desert to the millions of Germans who'd been stripped of pride, security and hope by their humiliating defeat in World War I, and the terrible unemployment that followed.

The world was also mad then with the idea that a dictatorial government should run the economy itself and make it "efficient", rather than let people make their own decisions.

The Nazis -- National Socialists -- promised some of that, and their sibling rivals in the Communist Party more.

The theory of eugenics -- breeding only healthy people -- was also in fashion, along with a cult of health.

The Nazis, with their youth camps and praise of strong bodies and a strong people, endorsed all that, and soon were killing the retarded, the gay and the different.

Tribalism was popular, too. People weren't individuals, but members of a class, as the communists argued, or of a race, as the Nazis said. Free from freedom -- what a relief for the scared!

You'd think we'd have learned. But too much of such thinking is back and changing us so fast that we can't say how our society will look by the time we die.

A KIND of eugenics is with us again, along with an obsession for perfect bodies.

Children in the womb are being killed just weeks before birth for the sin of being a dwarf, for instance, and famed animal rights philosopher Peter Singer wants parents free to kill deformed children in their first month of life. Meanwhile support for euthanasia for the sick, tired or incompetent grows.

As for tribalism, that's also back -- and as official policy. We now pay people to bury their individuality in tribes, giving them multicultural grants or even an Aboriginal "parliament".....

People need to feel part of something bigger and better than ourselves -- a family, or a church, or a tradition or a country. Or, as a devil may whisper, the greens.

The greens. Here's a quote which may sound very familiar -- at least in part. "We recognise that separating humanity from nature, from the whole of life, leads to humankind's own destruction and to the death of nations. "Only through a re-integration of humanity into the whole of nature can our people be made stronger . .

"This striving toward connectedness with the totality of life, with nature itself, a nature into which we are born, this is the deepest meaning and the true essence of National Socialist thought."

That was Ernst Lehmann, a leading biologist under the Nazi regime, in 1934, and he wasn't alone. Hitler, for one, was an avid vegetarian and green, addicted to homeopathic cures. His regime sponsored the creation of organic farming, and SS leader Heinrich Himmler even grew herbs on his own organic farm with which to treat his beloved troops.

HITLER also banned medical experiments on animals, but not, as we know to our grief, on Jewish children. And he created many national parks, particularly for Germany's "sacred" forests.

This isn't a coincidence. The Nazis drew heavily on a romantic, anti-science, nature worshipping, communal and anti-capitalist movement that tied German identity to German forests. In fact, Professor Raymond Dominick notes in his book, The Environmental Movement in Germany, two-thirds of the members of Germany's main nature clubs had joined the Nazi Party by 1939, compared with just 10 per cent of all men.

The Nazis also absorbed the German Youth Movement, the Wandervogel, which talked of our mystical relationship with the earth. Peter Staudenmaier, co-author of Ecofascism: Lessons from the German Experience, says it was for the Wandervogel that the philosopher Ludwig Klages wrote his influential essay Man and Earth in 1913.

In it, Klages warned of the growing extinction of species, the destruction of forests, the genocide of aboriginal peoples, the disruption of the ecosystem and the killing of whales. People were losing their relationship with nature, he warned.

Heard all that recently? I'm not surprised. This essay by this notorious anti-Semite was republished in 1980 to mark the birth of the German Greens -- the party that inspired the creation of our own Greens party.

Its message is much as Hitler's own in Mein Kampf: "When people attempt to rebel against the iron logic of nature, they come into conflict with the very same principles to which they owe their existence as human beings. Their actions against nature must lead to their own downfall."

Why does this matter now? Because we must learn that people who want animals to be treated like humans really want humans to be treated like animals.

We must realise a movement that stresses "natural order" and the low place of man in a fragile world, is more likely to think man is too insignificant to stand in the way of Mother Earth, or the Fatherland, or some other man-hating god.

We see it already. A Greenpeace co-founder, Paul Watson, called humans the "AIDS of the earth", and one of the three key founders of the German Greens, Herbert Gruhl, said the environmental crisis was so acute the state needed perhaps "dictatorial powers"....

The "big government" connection

As they do today, the Leftists of the 1920s and 1930s captured most of the intellectuals and much of the educated class of the day and this gave them access to the levers of government power -- which is of course what Leftists want above all. Leftists never tire of finding reasons for big government. But once something gets into the hands of big government, it can turn out to be very destructive indeed. And the American eugenics laws of the first half of the 20th century are a very good example of that. As it says here:


"President Woodrow Wilson signed New Jersey's sterilization law, and one of his deputies descended to greater fame as a Nazi collaborator at Buchenwald. Pennsylvania's legislature passed an 'Act for the Prevention of Idiocy,' but the governor vetoed it .... Other states, however, joined the crusade. ... Eventually, the eugenicist virus found a hospitable host in Germany. There... it led to the death chambers of Buchenwald and Auschwitz. Thanks to the Nazis, highly praised by eugenicists here, the movement eventually collapsed. But not before nearly 50,000 Americans were sterilized."

And someone from the past who is still something of a hero to the Left is the American jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., who famously said: "When you pay taxes you buy civilisation". This was quoted approvingly recently by Simon Crean, Federal Parliamentary leader of the Australian Labor party. Crean somehow failed to note that Holmes was also known for ordering compulsory sterilizations of the supposedly mentally ill: Yet another forgotten American inspiration for Adolf.

And California was one of the earliest supporters of Eugenics laws and in fact provided the model for Hitler's laws. -- as it says here:


Under the banner of "national regeneration," tens of thousands, mostly poor women, were subjected to involuntary sterilization in the United States between 1907 and 1940. And untold thousands of women were sterilized without their informed consent after World War II. Under California's 1909 sterilization law, at least 20,000 Californians in state hospitals and prisons had been involuntarily sterilized by 1964. California, according to a recent study, "consistently outdistanced every other state" in terms of the number of eugenic sterilizations....

California not only led the nation in forced sterilizations, but also in providing scientific and educational support for Hitler's regime. In 1935, Sacramento's Charles M. Goethe praised the Human Betterment Foundation for effectively "shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler." In 1936, Goethe acknowledged the United States and Germany as leaders in eugenics ("two stupendous forward movements"), but complained that "even California's quarter century record has, in two years, been outdistanced by Germany." In 1936, California eugenicist Paul Popenoe was asking one of his Nazi counterparts for information about sterilization policies in Germany in order to make sure that "conditions in Germany are not misunderstood or misrepresented." .....

California's eugenicists could not claim ignorance that Germany's sterilization program was motivated primarily by racial politics. For example, in 1935, the Los Angeles Times published a long defense of Germany's sterilization policies, in which the author noted that the Nazis "had to resort to the teachings of eugenic science" because Germany had been "deprived of her colonies, blessed with many hundreds of defective racial hybrids as a lasting memory of the colored army of occupation, and dismembered all around." Not only did California eugenicists know about Nazi efforts to use sterilization as a method of "race hygiene" -- targeted primarily at Jews -- they also approved efforts to stop "race-mixing" and increase the birth rate of the "Northern European type of family." The chilling words of Progressive reformer John Randolph Haynes anticipated the Nazi regime's murder of 100,000 mentally ill patients: "There are thousands of hopelessly insane in California, the condition of those minds is such that death would be a merciful release. How long will it be before society will see the criminality of using its efforts to keep alive these idiots, hopelessly insane, and murderous degenerates. . Of course the passing of these people should be painless and without warning. They should go to sleep at night without any intimation of what was coming and never awake."

And a country that is to this day a model and inspiration to Leftists everywhere is Sweden -- with its all-embracing welfare State. So what happened in Sweden? As we read here:


During the Nazi era in Germany, eugenics prompted the sterilisation of several hundred thousand people then helped lead to antisemitic programmes of euthanasia and ultimately, of course, to the death camps. The association of eugenics with the Nazis is so strong that many people were surprised at the news several years ago that Sweden had sterilised around 60 000 people (mostly women) between the 1930s and 1970s. The intention was to reduce the number of children born with genetic diseases and disorders. After the turn of the century, eugenics movements--including demands for sterilisation of people considered unfit--had, in fact, blossomed in the United States, Canada, Britain, and Scandinavia, not to mention elsewhere in Europe and in parts of Latin America and Asia. Eugenics was not therefore unique to the Nazis.


So what exactly did happen in the USA? I am indebted to one of my fellow bloggers for a useful summary of one of the cases. Some extracts:


In the 1920's, the eugenics movement was ... popular. So popular in fact, that mandatory sterilization laws were passed in 34 states from the mid-1920's to mid 30's. Basically, these laws stated that sterilization was mandatory for socially undesirable persons. "The socially inadequate classes, regardless of etiology or prognosis, are the following: (1) Feeble-minded; (2) Insane, (including psychopathic); (3) Criminalistic (including the delinquent and wayward); (4) Epileptic; (5) Inebriate (including drug habitues)..." [etc]. So basically, if you were hyperactive, promiscuous, an alcoholic or drug addict, had cerebral palsy or Down's syndrome, were epileptic, (etc., ad nauseum), or exhibited ANY socially undesirable behavior at all, you were eligible for mandatory sterilization. And not you, nor your parents (if you were a minor) had any right to say "No".

In the mid 1920's, Carrie Buck, at the ripe old age of 17, fought the state of Virginia's mandatory sterilization statute. She was classified as a socially inferior woman, having born a child out of wedlock and her foster parents stated that she was "a handful". Carrie's mother had also been incarcerated in a state institution as a 'promiscuous woman'. And at the age of 7 months, Carrie's child, Vivian, was 'certified' as being 'deficient', based on the 'history' of Carrie and her mother.

Carrie lost her case at the state court level, and it wound up in front of the Supreme Court in 1927. The prominent Supreme Court jurist, Oliver Wendel Holmes, wrote the opinion in Buck v. Bell. The decision was 8-1, Justice Butler dissenting. Here's what the majority opinion boiled down to:

"In order to prevent our being swamped with incompetents... society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes." ...

"It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.Three generations of imbeciles are enough." - Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., (Bucck v. Bell, 1927)

Five months after this decision, Carrie was forcibly sterilized. It later came out that her promiscuity was nothing of the sort. She'd been raped by the nephew of her foster parents, himself a violent (unsterilized) little scumbag. And her daughter's school records show that Vivian was a B student, receiving an A in deportment (behavior), and she was on the honor roll. Genetic tests later showed that neither Carrie nor her daughter had any genetic defects.


Conservative eugenics?

I should note that economist Steven Levitt's work suggests that the old Leftist eugenics program of reducing the birth rate (via abortion) among the "lower classes" was not totally misconceived. Levitt's findings seem to show that making VOLUNTARY abortion available to poorer mothers reduces the crime rate years later. He is at pains of course to indicate that his empirical findings are not an endorsement of either eugenics or abortion. Slate featured a 3 day correspondence between him and Steve Sailer dealing with the issue.

Given the traditional conservative regard for individual liberty, it seems to me that the only eugenics programs that conservatives could justify would be voluntary ones -- such as the large material incentives to reproduce that the Singapore government offers to highly educated Singaporean women. Christian conservatives, however, tend to regard all reproduction as God-given so would oppose even voluntary eugenic programs that limited reproduction -- such as the Woodhill Foundation programs that pay crack-addicted mothers to undertake contraception.

Leftists, however, oppose the Woodhill programs because they are voluntary and privately-funded. They like such matters to be in the hands of the State (i.e. under their control).

And the problem of a self-perpetuating and substantially criminal underclass does not need to be addressed by eugenics. It can be addressed by addressing its major causes -- such as the over-generous welfare system that the Leftists have created in their hunger for praise.

And despite everything, there ARE useful and non-coercive Eugenics programs in operation right now. Genetic screening in the U.S. Jewish community has now all but eliminated an awful hereditary disease -- Tay-Sachs -- from that community.

Shifting the blame

Modern-day Leftists hate it when you point out that it was THEY who were the inspiration for Hitler. So what do they do? They try to shift the blame -- to even the most unlikely targets. A recent book has tried to lay the blame for the Leftist eugenicists of the early 20th century at the door of someone who opposed ALL compulsion. As the book reviewer says:


"It has long been open season on Herbert Spencer (1820-1903). Perhaps because he was the 19th century's most prominent defender of individual liberty and critic of the violence of the state, Spencer has always been the object of hatred and distortion; indeed, it sometimes seems that no accusation is too bizarre to be leveled against him...

What common ground could there be between Spencer and the eugenicists? Both, to be sure, were 'Social Darwinists,' if that means that both thought there were important sociopolitical lessons to be drawn from evolutionary biology. But Spencer and the eugenicists drew opposite lessons. For the eugenicists, the moral of evolutionary biology was that the course of human evolution must be coercively managed and controlled by a centralized, paternalistic technocracy. For Spencer, by contrast, the moral was that coercive, centralized, paternalistic approaches to social problems were counterproductive and so would tend to be eliminated by the spontaneous forces of social evolution ..."

It is a good comment on the dismal minds of Leftists that they think that nothing can be accomplished except through compulsion.

Hitler's Marxist inspiration

It may be objected, however, that comparing Hitler with the fashionable eugenicists among Western Leftists of the 20s and 30s is rather beside the point. Western Leftists surely did not contemplate anything as extreme as Hitler's genocide. Given some of the pitiless utterances of Western Leftists already mentioned, that is a fairly feeble protest but it should be noted that Hitler did not get ALL his ideas from the West of his time. He got some of them from none other than Marx and Engels. And if it can be argued that Western Leftists did not condone genocide, the same cannot be said of Marx and Engels. They in fact vociferously ADVOCATED genocide. Note this quote:


"In January 1849, months before he migrated to London, Karl Marx published an article by Friedrich Engels in Die Neue Rheinische Zeitung announcing that in Central Europe only Germans, Hungarians and Poles counted as bearers of progress. The rest must go. "The chief mission of all other races and peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary holocaust."

Genocide arose out of Marx's master-theory of history -- feudalism giving place inevitably to capitalism, capitalism to socialism. The lesser races of Europe -- Basques, Serbs, Bretons and others -- being sunk in feudalism, were counter-revolutionary; having failed to develop a bourgeoisie, they would be two steps behind in the historical process. Engels dismissed them as left-overs and ethnic trash (Voelkerabfall), and called for their extinction.

So genocide was born as a doctrine in the German Rhineland in January 1849, in a Europe still reeling from the revolutions of 1848. It was to become the beacon light of socialism, proudly held and proudly proclaimed."


The above is a quote from the latest article by George Watson -- a literary historian specializing in the early history of socialism (I have an earlier article of his posted here and there is a review of his major book here). The quote is taken from an article in the December 2004 issue of Quadrant, Australia's premier intellectual conservative magazine. I have posted here a PDF of the first page.

The fact that Hitler's genocidal ideas largely originated with Marx and Engels themselves has of course been hidden from public awareness with almost total success by a Left-dominated media and academe. It would be too embarrassing to admit. But if we look at all the historical materials available to us, there can be no doubt of the Leftist origins of Hitler's genocidal "eugenics".



References:

De Corte, T.L. (1978) Menace of Undesirables: The Eugenics Movement During the Progressive Era. University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
Pickens, D. (1968) Eugenics and the Progressives. Nashville: Vanderbilt University Press.
Toland, J. (1976) Adolf Hitler Garden City, N.Y. : Doubleday.


28 posted on 03/31/2005 4:20:44 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; BOBTHENAILER; Dog Gone; ...
Eugenics is the root principle of the Planned (gag) Parenthood organization----which is second only to the ACLU in its utter depravity.

Planned Parenthood is the architect of legalized abortion, runs the largest chain of abortion clinics in the country, and is supported with federal, state and local tax dollars.

This offensive, misanthropic organization has done much damage to our culture. Schools have installed the execrable Planned Parenthood teaching curriculu; Planned Parenthood as the arbiter of social values that are implemented via evil "values clarification" programs.

The venal population controllers, and PP'hood (together with the Christian-baiting ACLU) have pulled off an amazing corruption of our culture via their tortured, convoluted, elliptical arguments that have achieved the entire PP libertine reproductive agenda:
1) explicit K-12 sex education, including acceptance of sexual perversion, at taxpayers' expense,
2) a fully fornicating society, and
3) abortion-on-demand with the gov't picking up the tab.

We are reaping the left-liberal whirlwind. The magnitude of crimes being committed is mind-boggling. The Columbine shooting, the Illinois high school hazing atrocity some years ago is one such example of kids turned into savages, without moral restraint or self-control, reduced to the level of animals. Elsewhere, atrocious crimes of parents killing children, children killing parents, are compounded by an utter disrespect for all authority.

Ugly Hollywarped messages in movies, songs and TV contribute to the cultural morass.

The hatred of Christian dicta by PP'hood and its acolytes has forced on our culture humanistic moral relativity, and political correctness, which abhors criticism of even the rankest criminal and degenerate sexual practices. Right and wrong do not exist in these twisted minds.

The PP'hood cancer in our culture is its ruination. There are numerous examples of why it must be removed.

A good place to start is to get Planned Parenthood removed from schools. PP'hood has been embedded in schools from K-12 teaching their amoral curricula. This is done under "Family Life" education in order to fool parents.

PP does little but proselytize kids into accepting sexually libertine, pro-abortion, pro-homo lifestyles.

The corrupted culture we live did not evolve in a vacuum. Parents need to find out what their children are learning, and they must insist PP'hood be taken out of their schools.

29 posted on 03/31/2005 4:42:38 PM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: Liz

PP is the leader in Eugenics in America. What is the toll now? I heard over 30 million abortions in America since abortions became the religion of the left.


30 posted on 03/31/2005 4:52:59 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Liz
The corrupted culture we live did not evolve in a vacuum.

Gramscian!!!

31 posted on 03/31/2005 4:57:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Grampa Dave

At least 30 million aborted babies.......not counting the number of women who died from botched legal abortions or were seriously injured from legal abortions.

Not counting the number of underage young women impregnated by adults that went to Planned Parenthood who never reported these crimes.

Terri Schiavo is the end result of the PP juggernaut. No one is safe from PP.


32 posted on 03/31/2005 5:10:03 PM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: Liz

Terry was aborted about her 160 th trimester.


33 posted on 03/31/2005 5:16:35 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The ongoing Marxist march against Western mindset and civilization.


34 posted on 03/31/2005 5:18:36 PM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: Grampa Dave

.......just a continuation of the pro-death culture......


35 posted on 03/31/2005 5:23:33 PM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: Liz; Grampa Dave
Am I the only one that hadn't seen this till this evening?

MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE

It's a real brawl, with good people on both sides.

36 posted on 03/31/2005 5:32:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

FReepers being FReepers.


37 posted on 03/31/2005 5:46:58 PM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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To: Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Liz
"over 30 million abortions in America"

And now we don't have enough young people to pay into FDR's Un-Social In-Security, or into LBJ's Socialized Medicare for old folks!!!

You could safely say that both Ponzi Schemes have been aborted by the stupid Liberals, THEMSELVES!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! What pathetic pissants...

Man that reply (above) was a long read, but intensely interesting!!! Did that come out of that guys book you and Ernest have been bantering about???

38 posted on 03/31/2005 5:59:54 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whut?


39 posted on 03/31/2005 6:04:09 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whut the... ???


40 posted on 03/31/2005 6:05:05 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Write the damn buffer....should have been WTDB!!"

Hay, ol man, I bee's purdy ignurunt, but I still don't no whut the heck yura tawlkin 'bout! Hev yew loused yer friggen mind???

I hain't written a ledder ta my danged buffer since it got away frum me in the hallway and started whippin around an around an broke holes in the walls with the handle!!! I put me in da horsepital and I wrote it a ledder frum dere... whadaya think 'bout dat???

41 posted on 03/31/2005 6:10:48 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting American's Progress!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Sorry about that....I am complaining about the system not showing my comment after I post it, only reason that I can think of is IT is waiting for more comments so that IT can minimize reads and writes on the disk drives....it is a classic compute technique...used to increase performance....here it leads to double posts.


42 posted on 03/31/2005 6:32:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: SierraWasp
I hain't written a ledder ta my danged buffer since it got away frum me in the hallway and started whippin around an around an broke holes in the walls with the handle!!! I put me in da horsepital and I wrote it a ledder frum dere... whadaya think 'bout dat???

ROFL!

I was using the word buffer

in the classic usage we have relative to computers....

43 posted on 03/31/2005 6:34:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I know... I wuz just bein silly!!!


44 posted on 03/31/2005 10:24:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting American's Progress!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
I thought you were a computer illiterate....I'm sorry to have so underestimated your technical acumen...

Please forgive me..

45 posted on 03/31/2005 10:28:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Your forgiven... unless yer bein smug! Actually, I'd be buffer illiterate except I worked during High School as a janitor and was forced into complete floor buffer immersion!!!


46 posted on 03/31/2005 10:42:21 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting American's Progress!!!)
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To: Liz; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp

To amplify, Chrichton's book hits some VERY important issues, as usual with him, but this time his usage of fact is more prolific and cutting than ever.


47 posted on 04/01/2005 8:48:02 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave

Crichton is a brilliant man of so many diverse talents---physician, novelist, movie producer----"Coma" was his directorial debut, I believe. He also wrote the screenplay from his novel for "Jurassic Park"....among so many accomplishments.


48 posted on 04/01/2005 11:37:37 AM PST by Liz ("There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." Edmund Burke)
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