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An Early Wartime Profile Depicts a Tormented Hitler
NY Times ^ | March 31, 2005 | BENEDICT CAREY

Posted on 03/30/2005 7:12:00 PM PST by neverdem

He was a feminine boy, averse to manual work, who was "annoyingly subservient" to superior officers as a young soldier and had nightmares that were "very suggestive of homosexual panic." The mass killings that he later perpetrated stemmed in part from a desperate loathing of his own submissive weakness, and the humiliations of being beaten by a sadistic father.

What is believed to be the first psychological profile of Hitler commissioned by the Office of Strategic Services, a predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency, was posted this month by Cornell University Law Library on its Web site (www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/). Although declassified some years ago, the report, written in 1943, has not been widely cited or available to the public, historians and librarians at Cornell say.

The library published the analysis after receiving permission from a relative of its author, the late Dr. Henry A. Murray, a prominent personality expert at Harvard in the middle of the last century. The document's release was reported on Tuesday on the Fox News program "The Big Story With John Gibson."

"For a long time, people thought there was only one psychological profile of Hitler commissioned by the O.S.S.," said Dr. Jerrold M. Post, a professor of psychiatry at George Washington University and the founder of the C.I.A.'s psychological branch, referring to a wartime report by Dr. Walter C. Langer that formed the basis of his 1972 book, "The Mind of Adolf Hitler."

Dr. Langer, a noted psychoanalyst, died in 1981. Dr. Murray was among several psychoanalysts who had worked with him in profiling Hitler for the O.S.S., and the Murray profile was apparently incorporated into the later, more definitive Langer account.

It is clear that this earlier profile added to the definitive profile of Hitler, Dr. Post said, "and very few people have known that it even exists."

Dr. Post said he came upon a draft of the Murray profile in 2000 while researching a book of his own, "The Psychological Assessment of Political Leaders."

Some experts, including Dr. Post himself, are not convinced that the report is without significant shortcomings.

The posted document is a condensed version of Dr. Murray's evaluation, a mixture of psychoanalytic theorizing, speculation and lurid detail about Hitler's life that could have come from a crime novel. In an authoritative voice, Dr. Murray diagnoses in Hitler neurosis, hysteria, paranoia, Oedipal tendencies, schizophrenia, "infinite self-abasement" and "syphilophobia," which he describes as a fear of contamination of the blood through contact with a woman. But the document refers only vaguely to its sources, and presents no scientific evidence for its findings.

"There's a whole lot of what we would now think of as psychobabble in Murray's article," Dr. Michael Stone, a psychiatrist at Columbia University School of Medicine, said after reviewing the profile. One example, Dr. Stone said, is "the suggestion that as a child Hitler witnessed his mother and father having sex, which in those days was given great weight as a source of psychological turmoil." Such an effect has since been discredited.

Dr. Murray did not have the benefit of genetic studies, or of more carefully distinguished categories of mental illness established later.

"Almost anyone who appeared crazy was called schizophrenic back then," Dr. Stone said, "and people didn't make distinctions between schizophrenia, for example, and manic depression."

In a more recent psychological profile, the neurologist and psychiatrist Dr. Fritz Redlich argued in his 1998 book, "Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet," that while troubled and with paranoid tendencies, Hitler had probably not been mentally ill. Even during the war, many historians were very skeptical of efforts to explain, with what they described as armchair psychoanalysis, acts of transcendent cruelty.

Dr. Murray himself was a controversial figure. Having returned to Harvard after the war, he was involved in psychological experiments in 1959-62 in which a stress test similar to one the O.S.S. had used to assess recruits was administered to student volunteers. Among them was the young Theodore J. Kaczynski, a precocious student at Harvard who later became known as the Unabomber. Lawyers for Mr. Kaczynski, who pleaded guilty in 1998 to letter bomb attacks that killed 3 people and wounded 28 others, traced some of his emotional instability and fear of mind control to those tests.

Still, historians say, the spirit of Hitler is alive, and infused with morbid detail, in Dr. Murray's pages. The growing boy, a frustrated romantic who loved painting castles and temples, and who was enthralled with architecture, also developed "a profound admiration, envy and emulation of his father's masculine power and a contempt for his mother's feminine submissiveness and weakness," Dr. Murray wrote.

"Thus," the profile says, "both parents were ambivalent to him: his father was hated and respected; his mother was loved and depreciated. Hitler's conspicuous actions have all been in imitation of his father, not his mother."

The assessment also includes advice for how the Allies should handle Hitler if he was captured (secretly film him, replete with sound track, in his cell so that the world would witness his rantings) and what name to give him when talking to his defeated countrymen (False Prophet or False Messiah at first; Corporal Satan or World Criminal No. 1 later). As for how Hitler's life would play out in the absence of capture, Dr. Murray predicted suicide.

"There is a powerful compulsion in him to sacrifice himself and all of Germany to the revengeful annihilation of Western culture, to die, dragging all of Europe with him into the abyss," Dr. Murray wrote.

Barring a deadly coup or insanity, Dr. Murray speculated, Hitler would arrange to have himself killed by a German or a Jew, to complete the myth of the hero betrayed. Or he would retreat to his bunker and, in dramatic fashion, shoot himself.

In the spring of 1945, as far as historians can determine, that is exactly what he did.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
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Analysis of the Personality of Adolph Hitler
1 posted on 03/30/2005 7:12:01 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem



One thing

Hitler never drew people. He's draw streets and scenes but no people.


And he may have been 12.5 % Jewish.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 7:16:55 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

and he was a homo.


3 posted on 03/30/2005 7:18:51 PM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: neverdem
So, Adolph was a twisted, sick little boy.

Who knew.

4 posted on 03/30/2005 7:19:54 PM PST by Regulator (This is news?)
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To: neverdem

Bump for later. Thanks for your post, neverdem.


5 posted on 03/30/2005 7:20:16 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Florida: suppressio veri, suggestio falsi)
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To: Robert Lomax

6 posted on 03/30/2005 7:23:08 PM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: neverdem
"Hitler if he was captured (secretly film him, replete with sound track, in his cell so that the world would witness his rantings) Great idea! Wonder if we did that with Saddam.

As for how Hitler's life would play out in the absence of capture, Dr. Murray predicted suicide. Good call.

7 posted on 03/30/2005 7:25:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: neverdem

"How fortunate for govenments that people do not think". Adolph Hitler


8 posted on 03/30/2005 7:26:47 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Regulator
But Gandhi wrote in 1940, "Hitler is not a bad man..."

(Quoted in an article by Richard Grenier, "The Gandhi Nobody Knows," Commentary, March 1983 [online at http://eserver.org/history/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt ])

9 posted on 03/30/2005 7:29:34 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

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10 posted on 03/30/2005 7:30:11 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Regulator

He was a genius.


11 posted on 03/30/2005 7:30:42 PM PST by traumer
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To: Robert Lomax; LauraleeBraswell

<< and he was a homo. >>

In the end, that's all he was: The ultimate manifestation of evil - the definitive bitchy queer.

[All of history's most evil tyrants were/are, demonstrably, sexual deviants]


12 posted on 03/30/2005 7:38:07 PM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: neverdem

I periodically remind my teenage vegetarian niece that Hitler, too, was a vegetarian. This does not amuse her mother (my liberal sister-in-law).


14 posted on 03/30/2005 7:47:08 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (UNC: 16 Final Fours)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Actually, he did draw people. He just wasn't any good at it.


15 posted on 03/30/2005 7:48:24 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: Robert Lomax

"and he was a homo."

Please. The man had enough problems. THAT was NOT one of them. Some evidence for your perusal:

1. He justified the murders of Roehm and his homosexual S.A. leadership by telling the Reichstag: "For their perversity alone they should have been shot!"

2. He was so distressed when his half-niece, Geli Raubal killed herself (he was in love with her) that he was put on a 'suicide watch' by fellow NAZIs who refused to leave him alone for a couple of days afterwards (circa 1930).

3. Eva Braun's letters survive and put the lie to the above statement - she describes their love making in at least one of them - he kept his socks on, if you care to know.

4. Finally (the clincher): he fathered a son (whom he never saw) with a French woman during WW I. When he conquered France, he had her immediately locked up in a mental asylum.

Her son found out his father's identity on his mother's death bed, and, needless to say, it ruined his life. He did have children however, so Hitler actually left descendants, who are French, and probably do not volunteer this family information very readily (to say the least).

However, he WAS a psychopath;

He was a Methamphetamine addict since about 1935, courtesy the quack Dr. Morrell, who was retained by Hitler as his doctor because Morrell was a Syphillis specialist;

He probably had Syphillis since some time in his youth, and his later conduct is consistent with the later stages of the disease, as well as Methamphetamine mania.

Any OTHER history lessons you want me to present to you?


16 posted on 03/30/2005 7:51:47 PM PST by Al Simmons (4-time 'W' voter, 1994-2004.)
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To: Al Simmons
Thank you for your accurate post. You did a better job of refuting much of the nonsense out there than I could have. It's also unlikely that Hitler had any Jewish heritage.

There's no point in trying to slander a monster. His crimes speak for themselves and are infinitely worse than any of the character flaws he is often accused of.

17 posted on 03/30/2005 8:01:09 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: neverdem
This is not a very complete study of Hitler. A few things come to mind. First, he was a courageous soldier and served In WW I with great distinction. Second, he was always an aesthete who did his best to train as an artist.

Third, some understanding of Hitler had to include his love of Wagner, Hegel and other aspects of Germanic culture. While Hitler was not a truly speaking a German, he was Germanic enough to crave an identity as such including Wagner's antisemitism and so forth. As I understand it, Wagner was a cross dresser and Hitler's sexual predilections suggested dysfunction but his biographers have all been unclear to what extant.

There is such a thing as evil. Hitler surely was one of the great communicators of the 30s who understood the fears, wishes and needs of the Germans. He was clever to the extreme and must have been a great retail as well as a wholesale politician. He took all his abilities, all of his intelligence and directed it towards evil; hence, he was an evil man.

Finally, I wish people who write of Hitler's psychology would review Elias Canett's Crowds and Power. This book has a lengthy review of wanting to be a survivor and enjoying being a survivor of the dead as a prime motive factor in many mass murderers of history--that is Genghis Khan, Saddam, Caesar and so forth. This is why these people were dangerous and why now (with the A bomb) we dare not permit another to rise. A good reason for disposing of Saddam.

18 posted on 03/30/2005 8:08:15 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I didn't read the link in comment# 1, yet. Did you already?


19 posted on 03/30/2005 8:26:26 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Al Simmons

Read "The Pink Swastika" and you will learn that much of the popular myths about homosexuality and the Third Reich are dead wrong.


21 posted on 03/30/2005 8:35:23 PM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: shrinkermd

"..surely was one of the great communicators ... who understood the fears, wishes and needs ... He was clever to the extreme and must have been a great retail as well as a wholesale politician. He took all his abilities, all of his intelligence and directed it towards evil; hence, he was an evil man."

Your description, to me, fits a recent President...or was it First Lady?


22 posted on 03/30/2005 8:39:02 PM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Hitler never drew people. He's draw streets and scenes but no people.

And that's because accurate drawings of people, especially the human face is quite difficult. That's part of the reason why modern art is so popular. The other part of the reason behind modern arts popularity is because drawing anything accurately requires skill.

23 posted on 03/30/2005 8:42:11 PM PST by fso301
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To: Al Simmons
Any OTHER history lessons you want me to present to you?

While not a true homosexual, nothing you wrote would rule out Hitler being bisexual or having gone through a period of exclusive homosexuality during his early adult years in Vienna.

24 posted on 03/30/2005 8:46:59 PM PST by fso301
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To: benjaminjjones

Hitler raved on about homosexuals the same way as you. :)


25 posted on 03/30/2005 8:50:45 PM PST by Eddie Haskell
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To: elmer fudd
I've seen some caricatures, including himself, that Hitler did of his unit marching west in 1914. They aren't bad, and are quite humorous. What flunked him on his art school admission test was the lack of proportion of human figures in his cityscapes, and the poor quality of his renditions of humans.

Hitler's ancestors came from an area in Austria on the Czech border called the Waldviertal, so his antecedents are hard to trace.The ancestral name may have been Huettler. As for his putative homosexuality, Hitler has been accused of every sexual perversion in the book, and some outside the book (Funny, Stalin never was). At least three or four women committed suicide over Hitler, and accounts from his Munich days suggest he had some success with women
26 posted on 03/30/2005 8:53:01 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Al Simmons

Wow, I had never read anything about him having a child. Poor kid.


27 posted on 03/30/2005 8:54:02 PM PST by Eddie Haskell
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To: neverdem

Beating the nurture over nature drum to death. Some people are just plain evil.


28 posted on 03/30/2005 8:58:58 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: neverdem

I spent some time reading through the cited OSS report on Hitler's personality. A few things bear mentioning.

First, the report does not claim that Hitler was an overt homosexual, but rather that he had repressed homosexual tendencies. It also claimed he had heterosexual incliniations, but was impotent. The main finding about his sexuality was that he was a masochist.

Second, the report diagnoses Hitler with practically every mental illness under the sun, including paranoid schizophrenia. Some of the diagnoses seem very far-fetched and ridiculous. Some of the diagnoses rely on discredited psychoanalytic thinking; for example, the report explains that Hitler must have witnessed his parents having sex as a child, which inspired Oedipal rage and jealousy against the father, etc. A significant amount of Hitler's behavior is explained by silly mechanisms like Oedipal rage, desire to sleep with the mother, and so on.

Third, the report did not accurately predict Hitler's demise. The report claimed Hitler would die by having a Jew shoot him, thereby preserving his status as an anti-Jewish hero; or, that he would die by leading soldiers directly into a glorious battle; or, that he would die by committing suicide in some incredibly dramatic way like blowing up his palace with him in it. Instead, he just shot himself. Although the report accurately predicted that Hitler would commit suicide, that prediction was easy since Hitler constantly repeated that if Germany lost the war he'd commit suicide.

The report seems to suffer from a few problems. First, the Freudian/psychosexual stuff lacks credibility. Second, the predictions of Hitler's future behavior were inaccurate. Third, the report disagrees with various other psychoanalyses of Hitler, except in regard to Hitler's rage over childhood abuse and humiliation. Fourth, the report subscribes to a discredited view of schizophrenia as resulting from subconscious conflicts. It's now known that schizophrenia is the result of a degenerative brain disease, and I doubt very much that Hitler had it, since he displayed none of the typical symptoms. But the report repeatedly diagnoses Hitler as having paranoid schizophrenia, or being "on the verge of it" because of subconscious conflicts.

Doubtless Hitler was a deeply disturbed man with all kinds of mental problems. But the accuracy of the specific psychoanalyses in this report remain to be demonstrated. Some parts seemed highly plausible, and other parts seemed doubtful.


29 posted on 03/30/2005 9:15:46 PM PST by freepcar
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To: Robert Lomax
Adolf Hitler didn't sound like the type that would be homosexual. The only reason why people imply this was the fact one of the most important persons in the pre-1933 Nazi Party was Ernst Roehm, who founded the SA (Sturmabteilung, or Storm Troopers), who was a very notorious and quite brutal homosexual. It was Roehm that used the SA to destroy the Communist opposition to allow the Nazis to rise to power.
30 posted on 03/30/2005 9:42:13 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: benjaminjjones

"The only thing I can figure is that these women like anal sex, or don't have what it takes to endure the built-in stress of a male-female relationship (the gubmint says our brains are different, DOH!)."

Well, as long as this is a psychobabble thread...

Women, if they are at all intelligent, realize that on some level all the men they meet would like to have sex with them (matters of self-restraint and morality aside). Indeed, it seems most women these days have had a lot of men try very hard to get them in the sack, employing various kinds and degrees of leverage, including dishonesty and even physical force.

Hanging with homos, first, they can relax because the homo doesn't want to nail them; and second, I really think there's an element of schadenfreude in that the homo wants to do to men approximately what those men want to do to women.

The attitude seems to be, "See how you like a man with an erection chasing you around trying to stick it in you for a change." Revenge by proxy.

Not true of all women, of course, but I have observed it in some.


31 posted on 03/30/2005 9:44:49 PM PST by dsc
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To: Al Simmons

Is your source for this info in a single volume I can pick up at Barnes and Noble?


32 posted on 03/30/2005 9:45:36 PM PST by DC Bound
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To: benjaminjjones

Homosexuals were also singled out by Hitler's party for extermination. Perhaps he wanted to destroy everything resembling himself. Homosexuality itself is not destructive (the AIDS thing is a myth). It would be ethical to leave them to their desires.


33 posted on 03/30/2005 9:46:17 PM PST by Gava
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To: neverdem

I just rented and watched something on Hitler, called, IIRC, "The Rise of Evil."

I'm sure historians could find things to quibble with, but I thought it was pretty good.

They made Geli look about 16 instead of 21 (or maybe I'm just getting old) and they alleged that he liked golden showers, but they didn't present him as having SSAD.

One thing I thought was good was that they went into detail on how Hitler got Bismarck to apppoint him Chancellor.


34 posted on 03/30/2005 9:48:59 PM PST by dsc
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To: Gava

"Homosexuality itself is not destructive"

Sorry to have to contradict you, but it is extremely destructive, both of the individuals afflicted and of every society that has ever condoned it.


35 posted on 03/30/2005 9:50:39 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
What's SSAD?

One thing I thought was good was that they went into detail on how Hitler got Bismarck to apppoint him Chancellor.

President Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor.

36 posted on 03/30/2005 9:58:48 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: shrinkermd

It should be noted that after conquering the Chinese (he *did* give them a chance to surrender, and he did tell them what would happen if they didn't; they laughed at him), Ghengis Khan actually tried to settle down and have a trading empire. He improved existing trade links to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, and created new ones.

That all came to an end when some idiot Persian decided that Ghengis was a stupid barbarian who could be cowed and sent the head of the Mongol ambassador to the Persian Empire back to Ghengis in a sack. Unfortunately, the ambassador was a good friend of Ghengis, and we all know what happened next.

Ghengis was ruthless with his enemies, but faithful to his friends and allies. He was not evil, and he was very much a product of his times.


37 posted on 03/30/2005 9:59:03 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: neverdem

Well, duh on me.

I do know that, but at my time of life I find myself misspeaking with increasing frequency. The other day I meant to say, "Samui desu ne," meaning "It's cold, isn't it," but what came out of my mouth was, "Yasui desu ne." Meaning, in context, "My, the weather certainly is inexpensive today, isn't it?"

Recently I've even been caught making grammatical errors in my writing, which is frightening, because that never happened to me before.

SSAD is same-sex attraction disorder, which is a much more appropriate and accurate term to describe the problem.

The word "homosexuality" can imply that it is an immutable condition, which it is not, or that it is voluntary, which, in my view, it is not.

It is as involuntary as any symptom associated with a mental disorder, and it is curable.


38 posted on 03/30/2005 10:10:46 PM PST by dsc
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To: Al Simmons
I've seen pictures of the Frenchman who is presumed to be Hitler's son, and the man does indeed look very much like Hitler.
39 posted on 03/30/2005 11:19:05 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Al Simmons

Most sodomites are bisexuals.


40 posted on 03/31/2005 1:18:54 AM PST by familyop (Essayons!)
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To: Eddie Haskell
Hitler raved on about homosexuals the same way as you. :)

I guess you're saying that I "doth protest too loudly"? LOL

I can understand that some people might assume that. It's also a valid assumption in some cases. Not in my case, solid monogamous hetero, with occasional flings (female, DOH!), between long term girlfriends.

I do protest the homo agenda whenever I can. I see them as a cancer invading our society. As just one example, they've almost destroyed the Catholic church in the US. My Catholic sister-in-law is so fed up with the Catholic priests fiasco, she's semi-jokingly speaks of converting to Judaism.

Maybe it's that I've been overexposed to them, not just during my life in the liberal cities on the east coast, but in overseas DOD schools as a kid.

Maybe I've had to work with, and for, too many of them, and know what kind of twisted depraved beings they are.

Maybe it's that at one point, my primary contact at every one of my clients was a homo (I think that's when I finally lost it}.

Maybe it's that one of my clients was an organization in Boston that was at the heart of the homosexual marriage drive, and my professional ethics prevented me from doing anything about it.

I have my faults, and I'm well aware of them, but megalomania and homosexuality are not among them.

41 posted on 03/31/2005 3:43:17 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: dsc
Well, as long as this is a psychobabble thread...

LOL, FR is my psychobabble couch. I'm in the Heart of Darkness, Boston. Where else can I turn? I'd rather converse with FR "peeples" than anyone up here.

I spent the entire Red Sox World Series on FR live threads, rather than going out and having to deal with liberals.

a man with an erection chasing you around

That reminds me of a line from a Dirty Harry movie... nekid man chasing a woman through an alley...

BTW would dsc be a Distinguished Service Cross?

Lost in Translation.

42 posted on 03/31/2005 4:06:35 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: Gava
Homosexuality itself is not destructive (the AIDS thing is a myth). It would be ethical to leave them to their desires.

WRONG on point one.

WRONG on point two.

and WRONG! on point three.

Buh Bye DU!

43 posted on 03/31/2005 4:14:30 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: freepcar
The general modern consensus sees Hitler as a psychopath - the characteristics that come to mind - superficial charm, glibness, lack of emotional awareness, lack of empathy, poor impulse control and lack of conscience. One can do no better than read Robert Waite's The Psychopathic God.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 03/31/2005 4:17:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: benjaminjjones

"BTW would dsc be a Distinguished Service Cross?"

No, it would be my initials. If I had a Distinguished Service Cross, I would have chosen a different handle.

Come to think of it, if I'd stopped to think it might lead to that confusion, I would have chosen a different handle.


45 posted on 03/31/2005 5:07:42 AM PST by dsc
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To: familyop

"Most sodomites are bisexuals."

All people are intrinsically heterosexual. It takes a bad case of SSAD to turn a man completely away from women.


46 posted on 03/31/2005 5:19:44 AM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
Sorry 'bout the dsc, Army brat, deciphering acronyms becomes a practice.
47 posted on 03/31/2005 5:32:08 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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To: benjaminjjones

"Sorry"

No sweatsky. No offense intended, I'm sure, and none taken.


48 posted on 03/31/2005 5:33:28 AM PST by dsc
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To: thoughtomator

Its been no secret that the SA was run a bunch of homosexual thugs (Ernst Roehm & Co.) In the end they proved too dangerous and expendable.


49 posted on 03/31/2005 6:16:42 AM PST by Al Simmons (4-time 'W' voter, 1994-2004.)
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To: fso301

"Any OTHER history lessons you want me to present to you?

While not a true homosexual, nothing you wrote would rule out Hitler being bisexual or having gone through a period of exclusive homosexuality during his early adult years in Vienna."

Nothing you have written would rule out Hitler doing it with dogs during his years in Vienna, either - except the complete lack of any evidence.


50 posted on 03/31/2005 6:18:34 AM PST by Al Simmons (4-time 'W' voter, 1994-2004.)
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