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The Spectator ^ | 2 April 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/31/2005 5:25:20 AM PST by mal

Do you remember a fellow called Robert Wendland? No reason why you should. I wrote about him in this space in 1998, and had intended to return to the subject but something else always intervened — usually Bill Clinton’s penis, which loomed large, at least metaphorically, over the entire era. Mr Wendland lived in Stockton, California. He was injured in an automobile accident in 1993 and went into a coma. Under state law, he could have been starved to death at any time had his wife requested the removal of his feeding tube. But Rose Wendland was busy with this and that, as one is, and assumed there was no particular urgency.

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1 posted on 03/31/2005 5:25:20 AM PST by mal
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To: mal

Can't open it. For registered users only.


2 posted on 03/31/2005 5:28:42 AM PST by somerville
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To: somerville

Dr. Ronald Cranford, who has diagnosed Terri Schiavo as PVS. Dr. Cranford also diagnosed Robert Wendland as PVS, and recommended pulling his feeding tube.

Despite the fact that Robert Wendland could scoot around unaided in a motorized wheelchair, bowl a 175, as well as a bunch of other stuff.

Dr. Cranford described him as a "trained animal", and said he should have his feeding tube yanked so his wife could move on.

I wish someone in the media would confront Dr. Cranford with the Wendland case when he's saying he's 105% sure that Terri is PVS.


3 posted on 03/31/2005 5:34:39 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: somerville; mal

i hate registrations but i think steyn is extraordinary, so i registered.


4 posted on 03/31/2005 5:37:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: mal
Too much unecessary wxcerpting going on around here.

New Hampshire

Do you remember a fellow called Robert Wendland? No reason why you should. I wrote about him in this space in 1998, and had intended to return to the subject but something else always intervened — usually Bill Clinton’s penis, which loomed large, at least metaphorically, over the entire era. Mr Wendland lived in Stockton, California. He was injured in an automobile accident in 1993 and went into a coma. Under state law, he could have been starved to death at any time had his wife requested the removal of his feeding tube. But Rose Wendland was busy with this and that, as one is, and assumed there was no particular urgency.

Then one day, a year later, Robert woke up. He wasn’t exactly his old self, but he could catch and throw a ball and wheel his chair up and down the hospital corridors, and both activities gave him pleasure. Nevertheless Mrs Wendland decided that she now wished to exercise her right to have him dehydrated to death. Her justification was that, while the actual living Robert — the Robert of the mid-1990s — might enjoy a simple life of ball-catching and chair-rolling, the old Robert — the pre-1993 Robert — would have considered it a crashing bore and would have wanted no part of it.

She nearly got her way. But someone at the hospital tipped off Mr Wendland’s mother and set off a protracted legal struggle in which — despite all the obstacles the California system could throw in her path — the elderly Florence Wendland was eventually successful in preventing her son being put down. He has since died of pneumonia, which is sad: the disabled often fall victim to some opportunist illness they’d have shrugged off in earlier times, as Christopher Reeve did. But that’s still a better fate than to be starved to death by order of the state.

Six and a half years later, the Terri Schiavo case is almost identical to Robert Wendland’s — parents who wish to care for a disabled daughter, a spouse who wants her dead, a legal system determined to see her off. The only difference is that this time the system is likely to win — it may already have done so by the time you read this — and that Mrs Schiavo’s death is being played out round the clock coast to coast, with full supporting cast. It is easy to mock the attendant ‘circus’, the cheapest laugh of the self-identified sophisticate. A 12-year-old boy has been arrested for attempting to offer Mrs Schiavo a glass of water. Ha-ha.

On the other hand, if one accepts the official version that the court is merely bringing to an end (after 15 years) the artificial prolongation of Mrs Schiavo’s life, since when has a glass of water been deemed medical treatment? In the public areas of Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater, the waiting journalists grab a Coke or a coffee or even a glass of water every half hour or so without anyone considering it ‘medical treatment’. That it is, uniquely, a crime to serve Mrs Schiavo a beverage underlines the court’s intent — not to cease the artificial prolongation of life but actively to cause her death.

When poor Terri Schiavo broke on to the front pages, several commentators said the case was another Elian Gonzalez — the Cuban boy whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in America. That’s to say, it was one of those stories where all sorts of turbulent questions of law, morality and politics collide. Two weeks on, if it’s Clintonian analogies we’re after, it seems to me the public regard it as something closer to the whole Paula/Monica/Juanita production line culminating in impeachment: if you recall, a large number of people were outraged by the President, a smaller number of people were determined to defend him to the end, and a huge number of people just didn’t want to hear about it; and the more Republicans went on about the DNA analysis of the dress stain and Mr Clinton lying about whether his enumerated parts had been in contact with her enumerated parts and the DNA analysis of the dress stain, the more they stuck their hands over their ears and said, ‘La-la-la, can’t hear you.’

That seems to be what’s happening here. Whether or not there’s anything in the various dubious polls claiming to show people opposed to Congressional efforts to reinsert Mrs Schiavo’s feeding tube, it seems clear that many of us would rather she’d been like Robert Wendland — a faraway local story of which they know little. A lot of Americans have paced hospital corridors while gran’ma’s medical taxi-meter goes ticking upward and, if my mailbag’s anything to go by, they’d rather this sort of stuff stayed in the shadows. Nobody likes to see how the sausage is made, or in this case the vegetable, if that indeed is what Terri Schiavo is. Many people seem to be unusually anxious to pretend that this judicial murder is merely a very belated equivalent of a discreet doctor putting a hopeless case out of her misery, or to take refuge in the idea that some magisterial disinterested ‘due process’ is being played out — or as a reader wrote to me the other day: ‘Why are you fundamentalists so clueless? It’s the law, dickbrain. Michael Schiavo isn’t acting for himself; he’s been legally recognised as the person qualified to act for Terri in expressing her wishes based on her own oral declarations.’

Which sounds fine and dandy, until you uncover your ears and a lot of the genteel euphemisms and legalisms and medicalisms — ‘right to die’, ‘guardian ad litem’, ‘PVS’ — start to sound downright Orwellian. PVS means ‘persistent vegetative state’, and because it’s a grand official-sounding term it’s been accepted mostly without question by the mainstream media, even though the probate judge declared Mrs Schiavo in a persistent vegetative state without troubling to visit her and without requiring any of the routine tests, such as an MRI scan. Indeed, her husband hasn’t permitted her to be tested for anything since 1993. Think about that: this woman is being put to death without any serious medical evaluation more recent than 12 years ago.

La-la-la, we don’t want to hear how the vegetable’s made....

Fortunately, if you want to execute someone who hasn’t committed a crime, you don’t need to worry with any of this ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ stuff. If an al-Qa’eda guy got shot up resisting capture in Afghanistan and required a feeding tube and the guards at Guantanamo yanked it out, you’d never hear the end of it from the American Civil Liberties Union and Amnesty International and all the rest. Even given the litigious nature of American society, it still strikes me as remarkable that someone can be literally sued to death, and at the hands of a probate judge. Unlike other condemned prisoners, there’s no hope of a last-minute reprieve from the governor. That’s to say, he did reprieve her, and so did the legislature, and the US Congress and President — and the Florida courts have declared them all irrelevant. So, unlike Death Row, there’s no call from the governor, and no quick painless lethal injection or electrocution or swift clean broken neck from the hangman’s noose, and certainly no last meal. On Tuesday, getting a little impatient with the longest slow-motion public execution in American history, CBS News accidentally posted Mrs Schiavo’s obit on their website complete with vivid details that have yet to occur — the parents at her bedside in the final moments, etc. In this, they seem to be in tune with their viewers: sad business, personal tragedy, no easy answers, prayers are with her family, yada yada, is it over yet?

Just to underline the Clinton comparison, the Sunday Times’s Andrew Sullivan has dusted off his impeachment act and damned those of us opposed to Mrs Schiavo’s judicial murder as dogmatic extremist fundamentalist religious-right theocrats. If he’d stop his shrill bleating for a couple of minutes, he might notice that the ‘theocrats’ who want Terri Schiavo to live include Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader and Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank, who’s not just a Democrat but a gay one.

True, the TV networks — as they often do with what they see as socially conservative issues — prefer to train their cameras on some of Mrs Schiavo’s more obviously loopy defenders. But, for all that, it seems far weirder to me to be quite so enthusiastic about ending her life. I’ve received innumerable emails along the lines of, ‘If Terri Schiavo didn’t want this to happen to her, all she had to do under Florida law was make a “living will”’ — one of those documents that says in the event of a severe disability I do/do not want to be kept alive (delete as applicable). Well, OK, I haven’t received ‘innumerable’ emails, but I’ve received enough that I now send back a form response politely inquiring whether the correspondent has himself made a living will. I’ve yet to receive any answers. But I can’t see why, in a free society, healthy persons in their twenties should be expected to file legal documents in order to pre-empt a court order mandating their death a decade or two hence.

Even if you believe in living wills, it’s hard to argue that Michael Schiavo’s wildly inconsistent statements of his wife’s casual remarks about living on a tube should have the force of one. I’d be irked to find I was being deported to Pyongyang on the grounds that, while watching a TV documentary late one night in 1987, I’d been heard to say, ‘Wow, you know it’d be kinda cool to go to North Korea, don’t you think?’ But the Florida legal system’s position remains — as a reader, Adrienne Follmer, paraphrased it to me the other day — ‘We don’t know for sure if this woman wanted to live so let’s starve her to death.’

La-la-la, still can’t hear you....

One consequence of abortion is that, in designating new life as a matter of ‘choice’, it created a culture where it’s now routine to make judgments about which lives are worth it and which aren’t. Down’s Syndrome? Abort. Cleft palate? Abort. Chinese girl? Abort. It’s foolish to think you can raise entire populations — not to mention generations of doctors — to make self-interested judgments about who lives and who doesn’t and expect them to remain confined to three trimesters. The ‘right to choose’ is now being extended beyond the womb: the step from convenience euthanasia to compulsory euthanasia is a short one. Until a year or two back, I spent a lot of my summer Saturdays manning the historical society booth at the flea markets on the town common, and I passed many a pleasant quarter-hour or so chit-chatting with elderly ladies leading some now middle-aged simpleton child around. Both parties seemed to enjoy the occasion. The child is no doubt a ‘burden’: he was born because he just was; there was no ‘choice’ about it in those days. Having done away with those kinds of ‘burdens’ at birth, we’re less inclined to tolerate them when they strike in adulthood, as they did in Terri Schiavo’s case.

In that sense, the Schiavo debate provides a glimpse of the Western world the day after tomorrow — a world of nonagenarian baby boomers who’ve conquered most of the common-or-garden diseases and instead get stricken by freaky protracted colossally expensive chronic illnesses; a world of more and more dependants, with fewer and fewer people to depend on. In Europe, where demographic reality means that in a generation or so all the dependants will be elderly European Christians and most of the fellows they’re dependent on will be young North African or Arab Muslims, the social consensus for government health care is unlikely to survive. Terri Schiavo failed to demonstrate conclusively why she should be permitted by the state to continue living. As Western nations evolve rapidly into the oldest societies in human history, many more of us will be found similarly wanting.

Michael Schiavo’s lawyer, George Felos, is a leading light of the so-called ‘right-to-die’ movement, and his book, Litigation as Spiritual Practice, makes interesting reading. On page 240 Mr Felos writes, ‘The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. Their sacrifice saved humanity at the brink of extinction and propelled us into a new age.... If our minds can conceive of an uplifting Holocaust, can it be so difficult to look another way at the slights and injuries and abuses we perceive were inflicted upon us?’

Mr Felos feels it is now Terri Schiavo’s turn to ‘agree’ to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter is necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. As I read Felos’s words, I heard a radio bulletin announce that the Pope may now require a feeding tube. Fortunately for him, his life is ultimately in the hands of God and not a Florida probate judge.

5 posted on 03/31/2005 5:38:01 AM PST by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
That should be "unecessary excerpting".


Steyn ping!


6 posted on 03/31/2005 5:40:04 AM PST by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: Pokey78

Steyn bump.


7 posted on 03/31/2005 5:42:18 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: mal

Another "idiot pro-life conservative" who is dragging the GOP down, right FReepers? -intense sarcasm applied-


8 posted on 03/31/2005 5:46:31 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain

yes, in the same camp as ann coulter, laura ingraham, peggy noonan, mark levin, thomas sowell, ben stein et al. But NONE of them KNOW anything obviously, probably haven't read THE WOLFSON REPORT and are just reacting emotionally to the entire affair...


9 posted on 03/31/2005 5:53:43 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Pokey78

Powerful article..

Bump.


10 posted on 03/31/2005 5:53:58 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: sockmonkey

Last night OReilly interviewed a reporter for Time Magazine.

The reporter made it VERY clear that one of the MD's who examined Terri (a fellow from Cleveland, but not named Cranford) is a 'member of a group of neurologists which has been EXPANDING THE DEFINITION OF PVS' over the last several years. Their expanded definition was used by GrimGreer to execute Terri, according to the reporter.

While Cranford may be far more "expansive" than some others, it's very significant to note what these neurologists are doing.


11 posted on 03/31/2005 5:54:46 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: mal

It's not too late for Governor Bush to do the right thing.

Jeb Bush could have used the Florida constitution to replace both the Pinellas sheriff AND Judge Greer.

Judges have no constitutional power whatever to give orders to the executive what to do or not do in execution of his powers. Even though the local executive, the sheriff, decided to give force to the judge's order, and the governor has no direct authority over county sheriffs, even those were not insurmoutable problems or cause for civil war. Under the Florida constitution the governor can replace the county sheriff and maybe even the judge for misfeasance, such as interfering with DCF and the state police which are under the governor and not subject to the judge either. Notice particularly that the governor could suspend ANY county officers, including judges, regardless of whether they are subject to impeachment.


FLORIDA CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE VIII - County Government
Section 1
(d) COUNTY OFFICERS. There shall be elected by the electors of each county, for terms of four years, a sheriff, a tax collector, a property appraiser, a supervisor of elections, and a clerk of the circuit court;

ARTICLE IV - Executive
SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.--
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.

ARTICLE III - Legislative
SECTION 17. Impeachment.--
(a) The governor, lieutenant governor, members of the cabinet, justices of the supreme court, judges of district courts of appeal, judges of circuit courts, and judges of county courts shall be liable to impeachment for misdemeanor in office.


12 posted on 03/31/2005 5:54:51 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Pokey78
Thanks Poke.....I thought it was q-cerpting. So...thanks for de-q-cerpting!

Lando

13 posted on 03/31/2005 5:56:38 AM PST by Lando Lincoln (How many liberals does it take to win a war?)
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To: Pokey78; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; The Grammarian; SpookBrat; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; ...
Michael Schiavo’s lawyer, George Felos, is a leading light of the so-called ‘right-to-die’ movement, and his book, Litigation as Spiritual Practice, makes interesting reading. On page 240 Mr Felos writes, ‘The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. Their sacrifice saved humanity at the brink of extinction and propelled us into a new age.... If our minds can conceive of an uplifting Holocaust, can it be so difficult to look another way at the slights and injuries and abuses we perceive were inflicted upon us?’

Mr Felos feels it is now Terri Schiavo’s turn to ‘agree’ to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter is necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. As I read Felos’s words, I heard a radio bulletin announce that the Pope may now require a feeding tube. Fortunately for him, his life is ultimately in the hands of God and not a Florida probate judge.

Is it actually possible that Michael Schiavo's lawyer just said that the murder of millions of Jews was a good thing???!!

Am I MISREADING THIS!??

Steyn has publicized an amazing quote.

14 posted on 03/31/2005 5:58:41 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Mr. Steyn manages to make his case without calling his readers names. As one who supports the Schindlers and agrees with every point made in this article, I feel I should point out to you that the way to get people to agree with us is not to insult them.


15 posted on 03/31/2005 5:59:34 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: xzins

They AGREED????????


16 posted on 03/31/2005 6:04:07 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

George Felos is a demon....I am not speaking metaphorically.


17 posted on 03/31/2005 6:06:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: mal
ma l , here's another site you mite want to look at.

David ( trainer) was in a coma for three weeks , had a brain shear, what the doctor called it. Did not look for him to live. Kept saying "what you see is what you get to take home". Wanted to pull his life support.

Look at him now after 5-monthes, up walking and talking.
Fooled them doctors.

David is my wifes horse trainer.
18 posted on 03/31/2005 6:09:14 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: xzins
One ting about this cast of characters is that ew now have their names and can see what they are up to. Until this case, I had never heard of Felos or Dr. Cranford.

I think we need to start searching obscure professional journals and such to see what's going on.

19 posted on 03/31/2005 6:09:50 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: righthand man

The link

http://www.equestriansingles.com/mb/viewtopic.asp?t=11690


20 posted on 03/31/2005 6:10:23 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: Pokey78
As ever, thanks again Pokey78.

FMCDH(BITS)

21 posted on 03/31/2005 6:11:14 AM PST by nothingnew (Why do all CHARLITE posts end up in "bloggers/personal"?)
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To: xsmommy

Gotta go but just had to give you a quick 'LOL!' --- too true bump.


22 posted on 03/31/2005 6:12:18 AM PST by american colleen
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To: xsmommy

Yes, we are all just reactionary right wing nut jobs. It's one thing to get labeled like that from the real nut jobs at the DUmmy site but I'm quite shocked that so many of our so called FRiends have gone into such name calling.


23 posted on 03/31/2005 6:12:36 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Pokey78
from the article:

Until a year or two back, I spent a lot of my summer Saturdays manning the historical society booth at the flea markets on the town common, and I passed many a pleasant quarter-hour or so chit-chatting with elderly ladies leading some now middle-aged simpleton child around. Both parties seemed to enjoy the occasion. The child is no doubt a ‘burden’: he was born because he just was; there was no ‘choice’ about it in those days. Having done away with those kinds of ‘burdens’ at birth, we’re less inclined to tolerate them when they strike in adulthood, as they did in Terri Schiavo’s case.

24 posted on 03/31/2005 6:14:18 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

it has been eyeopening as well as personally disheartening, but i still maintain their numbers are far fewer than they would believe. they are a sanctimonious but vocal few.


25 posted on 03/31/2005 6:14:50 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: JohnHuang2

ping!


26 posted on 03/31/2005 6:16:11 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TXBubba

Mary Steyn ping. Another good article about the Schiavo case from Mark Steyn. Check out my previous post--I highlighted a very good point he makes.


27 posted on 03/31/2005 6:16:26 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Pokey78
the step from convenience euthanasia to compulsory euthanasia is a short one.

Ah, yes, which is why we have had compulsory abortion in this country for years, now. However wrong the courts are in the Schiavo case, this statement doesn't stand up to Steyn's usual common sense.

28 posted on 03/31/2005 6:16:38 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the Steyn pings Pokey.


29 posted on 03/31/2005 6:16:55 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

In order to impeach you'd have to have the legislature involved. Seeing they stood by and allowed this to happen, I doubt that will happen. The Florida legislature REFUSED to help.


31 posted on 03/31/2005 6:18:12 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: xsmommy
yes, in the same camp as ann coulter, laura ingraham, peggy noonan, mark levin, thomas sowell, ben stein et al. But NONE of them KNOW anything obviously, probably haven't read THE WOLFSON REPORT and are just reacting emotionally to the entire affair...

On page 33 Wolfson make the following statement:

"(Descartes addressed this in his proposition that it is our awareness, our consciousness that defines our being: "Cogito, ergo sum." This logic would imply that unless we are aware and conscious, we cease to be.)"

This fallacy of logic is at the heart of his whole thesis. This was noticed by FReeper syriacus HERE from context posted HERE.


(Descartes addressed this in his proposition that it is our awareness, our consciousness that defines our being: "Cogito, ergo sum." This logic would imply that unless we are aware and conscious, we cease to be.)

That's bad logic.

The statement,
"I don't think, therefore, I am not,"
cannot be proven true,
from the truthfulness of the statement,
"I think, therefore I am.

The "I don't think"statement is merely the inverse of the "I think "statement."

Elementary logic: Inverse: The inverse is simply the conditional with ‘not’ added to it.


1.Statement: If p, then q
2. Inverse: If not p, then not q

A statement is not logically equivalent ... to its inverse.

993 posted on 03/30/2005 7:35:37 AM
32 posted on 03/31/2005 6:21:00 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Miss Marple
... the way to get people to agree with us is not to insult them.

Agreed. But in fairness, the poster did not call anybody a name in that post.

33 posted on 03/31/2005 6:21:34 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Pokey78
But I can’t see why, in a free society, healthy persons in their twenties should be expected to file legal documents in order to pre-empt a court order mandating their death a decade or two hence.

Thanks Pokey!

34 posted on 03/31/2005 6:22:38 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: xzins
George Felos is a demon....I am not speaking metaphorically.

I agree.

35 posted on 03/31/2005 6:24:09 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Cboldt

Well, misrepresenting is insulting, too, not just name-calling.


36 posted on 03/31/2005 6:24:09 AM PST by cyncooper (I see pod people)
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To: Coleus; cpforlife.org; windchime; Velveeta; nw_arizona_granny; Fedora

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1374478/posts?page=3#3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1374478/posts?page=5#5


37 posted on 03/31/2005 6:24:39 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: mal

Steyn ping


38 posted on 03/31/2005 6:25:12 AM PST by eeriegeno
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To: McGavin999
In order to impeach you'd have to have the legislature involved. Seeing they stood by and allowed this to happen, I doubt that will happen. The Florida legislature REFUSED to help.

Please go back and READ. The governor's power is to SUSPEND and REPLACE.
39 posted on 03/31/2005 6:25:32 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: ninenot
While Cranford may be far more "expansive" than some others, it's very significant to note what these neurologists are doing.

Florida is going to be hurt, big time, over this. Wait to the HIV positive patients figure out how this is going to impact them. And all those people who have parents with Alzheimers - wait till they figure out what is really going on here. Billions of dollars are at stake.

40 posted on 03/31/2005 6:27:10 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: xsmommy
"in the same camp as ann coulter, laura ingraham, peggy noonan, mark levin, thomas sowell, ben stein et al."

Sounds like good company to me.

"...just reacting emotionally to the entire affair..."

Life and death is a pretty emotional subject.

41 posted on 03/31/2005 6:27:17 AM PST by Sam's Army (RIP Henry Lee II)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
believe me, i am not one of those that has annointed the WOLFSON REPORT with virtual papal infallibility, i was being sarcastic.

i heard a caller to the DC talk radio station yesterday actually say that terri ceased to be human 15 years ago. it is the viewpoint of many and it sends chills down my spine to hear it uttered blithely and unselfconsciously. it speaks volumes about those that have that mindset.

42 posted on 03/31/2005 6:27:37 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping, Pokey. This was a wonderful article, and it wasn't Mr. Steyn's fault that I kept bawling at the always fresh realization of the horror and heartbreak of this case. The horror and heartbreak are sometimes overwhelming, and Steyn shines a bright light on what would otherwise prefer to remain hidden.


43 posted on 03/31/2005 6:28:53 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Have we become a society that allows a man to kill his wife by starvation instead of bullets?)
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To: Sam's Army
honestly, do i need to put a sarcasm tag on something that was virtually DRIPPING sarcasm?? sadly, i guess i do considering what i have seen posted in FR lately.

i was being sarcastic. i do not know how those on FR who are so ardent in their fervor to see this case carried out to its horrific conclusion justify being at odds with the people i have listed, other than to have the hubris to think just what i said, that they, these freepers, are better informed and more objective. it defies credulity.

44 posted on 03/31/2005 6:30:28 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: cyncooper
It is no misrepresentation that some posters here, on both sides, have insulted the other side. All the poster is saying is that Ann Coulter, Steyn, Limbaugh, etc. take the same side as one of the competing points of view, and therefore, deserve the same sort of insults that are thrown in THAT direction.

The post itself is not throwing an insult, it is repeating the easily demonstrated observation that some insults are being thrown to posters that think in similar fashion to Steyn, Coulter, etc.

45 posted on 03/31/2005 6:32:07 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Miss Marple

i agree that namecalling doesn't help, Miss Marple, but honestly, is there any hope of any of them being persuaded at this point? it really seems that one either gets what is happening here, or one doesn't. i am heartsick over this.


46 posted on 03/31/2005 6:32:33 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
You know, I'm not going to argue with you. If you don't like Jeb, don't vote for him. But don't go around insisting that he has powers that he doesn't have. The Florida Supreme Court has already struck him down a number of times on this issue. If he were to continue it it would show a complete lack of respect for the law. Since the legislature (the people) have refused to act, it would also show a complete lack of respect for the will of the people.

I am completely for saving Terri, but to blame a politician for the fix we are in is beyond lunacy.

47 posted on 03/31/2005 6:32:33 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Pokey78

brilliant


48 posted on 03/31/2005 6:36:13 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: xsmommy
"honestly, do i need to put a sarcasm tag on something that was virtually DRIPPING sarcasm??"

Probably. Hard to see drips thru my monitor.

49 posted on 03/31/2005 6:36:40 AM PST by Sam's Army (RIP Henry Lee II)
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To: Pokey78

Superbly written. Thanks for posting. Mark Steyn has a brilliant mind.


50 posted on 03/31/2005 6:38:24 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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