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The Spectator ^ | 2 April 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/31/2005 5:25:20 AM PST by mal

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To: AmishDude

I'm sorry...why are you asking me?

If you have an opinion on a subject, share it.


101 posted on 03/31/2005 8:46:24 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: AmishDude

BTW, make sure you read the next post I made before making any faulty conclusions.


102 posted on 03/31/2005 8:48:10 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe

AG, I agree with you that Felos saw the Holocaust as a positive thing. Not retrospectively, but at its inception for its value in "moving us forward." Forward to what??!

Forward to a culture of death.

I agree with you that we all are marked by our decision to be for life or for death in this case.

The end result of this path is gruesome to contemplate. It will see valuations placed on individuals based on their abilities. There is great danger in having an "abilities based culture" that is willing to enforce that value with the death penalty.


103 posted on 03/31/2005 8:48:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: nobdysfool

Ping to #103.

We are on the same side on this, nbdy.


104 posted on 03/31/2005 8:50:22 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
I'm tired of the SOS. I know by his actions the character of Felos and Michael Schiavo. What I am doing is what I can do. Today I phoned my Congressman and requested that he consider initiating impeachment proceedings against Justice Birch of the 11th Circuit. And I don't care if he is one of the most conservative justices on the court, his viewpoint as expressed in the opinion rejecting the request by the Schindler family is to me is sufficient evidence of his judicial arrogance.

In resolving the Schiavo controversy it is my judgment that, despite sincere and altruistic motivation, the legislative and executive branches of our government have acted in a manner demonstrably at odds with our Founding Fathers’ blueprint for the governance of a free people — our Constitution.

Since when is the action of passing a law an action demonstrably at odds with the Constitution?

105 posted on 03/31/2005 9:05:10 AM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: xzins; nobdysfool; P-Marlowe; betty boop
Thank you for your reply!

I agree with you that we all are marked by our decision to be for life or for death in this case. The end result of this path is gruesome to contemplate. It will see valuations placed on individuals based on their abilities. There is great danger in having an "abilities based culture" that is willing to enforce that value with the death penalty.

Indeed. And the timing is very important.

We, the baby boomers, are at that age where many of us will get Alzheimer's and begin wasting mentally. Even at the middle stages, an Alzheimer's person can no longer function in society and must be cared for pretty much around the clock.

Many of us have already seen our parents or grandparents go through this. Worse, by the numbers we are become a huge financial burden (social security, medicare) on our children and grandchildren. Whatever estate we have built in life is quickly liquidated for nursing home care and yet how few young people can afford for one to stay at home to care for the Alzheimer's parent?

Couple that guilt with the fact that many of these would be our legal guardians and heirs and we are all at a crossroad.

The 'right to die' can easily become a ‘duty to die’ in the minds of the elderly. The value of life can diminish per se. Or families could take a stand and plan for what is coming, chosing life - even a mentally confused life.

The U.S. could become a stronger Christian nation or agnostic like Europe, but it cannot tread water.

The spiritual risks are high for all generations involved. And the answers are not going to be easy for anyone.

To me, it feels like the Spirit is moving these days, forcing us to decide, to prioritize, as if to prepare us for things to come.

106 posted on 03/31/2005 9:09:08 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: AndrewC

They are some kind of immoral, unethical heartless conservatism that balances fincial gains and losses with power principles.

There is no true American conservatism that is not pro-life, anti-euthanasia, and pro-Judeo/Christian.

I'm done with the rest of them.


107 posted on 03/31/2005 9:09:40 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
There is no true American conservatism that is not pro-life, anti-euthanasia, and pro-Judeo/Christian.

Bump to that, xzins.

108 posted on 03/31/2005 9:10:47 AM PST by k2blader (The state sanctioned murder of Terri Shiavo happened on the Republicans' watch.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
"The U.S. could become a stronger Christian nation or agnostic like Europe, but it cannot tread water."
109 posted on 03/31/2005 9:17:32 AM PST by marron
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To: xzins
It is the belief of certain groups that every event in our lives is brought about through our own actions. If we're wrongly arrested for bank robbery, the theory goes, we must have done something wrong in the first place to be suspected of this crime, even if it's only being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Mr. Felos gives every indication of being a member of this group.

I see no evidence that the Jewish people "agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness."

The Jewish people were murdered by satanists.

And there was only One Lamb whose slaughter was necessary -- Jesus Christ.
110 posted on 03/31/2005 9:17:52 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: xzins
"There is no true American conservatism that is not pro-life, anti-euthanasia, and pro-Judeo/Christian. I'm done with the rest of them."

Me, too.

111 posted on 03/31/2005 9:18:26 AM PST by marron
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To: Alamo-Girl

To me, it feels like the Spirit is moving these days, forcing us to decide, to prioritize, as if to prepare us for things to come.


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We are witnessing a spiritual war for the survival of our nation.


112 posted on 03/31/2005 9:24:24 AM PST by maica (Ask a Deathocrat: "When did you decide to support death always - except for condemned criminals?")
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To: cyncooper

I am sorry. I do not find a feeding tube to be less legitimate.


113 posted on 03/31/2005 9:31:25 AM PST by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "You're a luminary!" -- Howlin; "You are a wise man." -- Torie)
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To: cyncooper

The Pope is having trouble swallowing. Should he be disallowed his feeding tube?


114 posted on 03/31/2005 9:33:07 AM PST by k2blader (The state sanctioned murder of Terri Shiavo happened on the Republicans' watch.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Jewish people were murdered by satanists.

And Felos is a demon.

115 posted on 03/31/2005 9:34:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
I'm done with the rest of them.

Here is part of the dissenting opinion on that decision I previously cited containing Justice Birch's arrogant opinion.

Justice Wilson in dissent ---

I know of no case barring Congress from so dictating, and Judge Birch does not cite any. Indeed, quite to the contrary, Judge Birch cites cases establishing that both our abstention and exhaustion doctrines are prudential. See ante, at 10. If none of these dictates by itself goes beyond Congress’s power to determine the jurisdiction of federal courts, I know of no doctrine that could convert their aggregation into a separation-of-powers violation.

116 posted on 03/31/2005 9:41:18 AM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: AndrewC; P-Marlowe
I know of no doctrine that could convert their aggregation into a separation-of-powers violation

ping to #116...thanks Andrew

117 posted on 03/31/2005 9:44:01 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Miss Marple

The poster was being intensely sarcastic.


118 posted on 03/31/2005 9:50:18 AM PST by Aliska
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To: AndrewC
Since when is the action of passing a law an action demonstrably at odds with the Constitution?

When the law itself is unconstitutional -- as happens occasionally.

119 posted on 03/31/2005 9:52:41 AM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: AmishDude

Why are you apologizing? I'm not the one decreeing no difference of opinion can exist. Unless you're telling me that's your position. Agree with you are damnation awaits.

I also said I was not saying I was for removal of the tube but as usual, that gets ignored.


120 posted on 03/31/2005 9:56:06 AM PST by cyncooper
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