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FREE REPUBLIC REPORT: Picture of soldier with gun is allowed in Oregon high school
Principal Cynthia Robinson | 3-31-05 | dfu

Posted on 03/31/2005 11:13:47 AM PST by doug from upland

There was a thread yesterday that caused quite a controversy -- Should a photo of an armed Marine be posted at a school?

Well, it seems that there is a happy ending. I spoke with principal Cynthia Robinson a short time ago. She was gracious enough to speak with me even though she was on lunch duty.

A sister brought in a picture that was displayed, which showed her Marine brother with a weapon. A controversy erupted because people were led to believe that the picture was removed because of the showing of a weapon. That is not the case.

Ms. Robinson told me that she had no problem with the weapon. The problem was that the picture had a guy with no shirt and tatoos. She objected because it was not a dignified picture. She had considered putting a frame around it so only the girl's Marine brother was shown.

The girl brought in another picture of her brother, with his weapon, and it is on display.

Ms. Robinson is proud of our military. Her father was in the Army, and her husband served in the Navy.

End of controversy.


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1 posted on 03/31/2005 11:13:48 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

"The problem was that the picture had a guy with no shirt and tatoos."


That's really just about as ridiculous.


2 posted on 03/31/2005 11:16:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: cripplecreek

He's a MARINE for heaven's sake! Have you EVER seen a Marine WITHOUT tatoos?!


3 posted on 03/31/2005 11:18:30 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: cripplecreek

The point is that it was not about the weapon. That was the controversy. If she thought it better to have a dignified picture, that is just fine. The picture is now proudly displayed. Give her some credit. You know that there are many schools that would not allow the picture because of the weapon.


4 posted on 03/31/2005 11:18:55 AM PST by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: doug from upland
That's odd. The article from the Oregon Statesman Journal reported that:

School officials denied the photo on the grounds the guns in the picture violated district policy
5 posted on 03/31/2005 11:22:04 AM PST by andyk
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To: hiredhand
Have you EVER seen a Marine WITHOUT tatoos?!

:o)

6 posted on 03/31/2005 11:24:10 AM PST by TheBigB ("She's the kind of girl you bring home to Mother... if Mother is a cigaretty, retired hooker.")
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To: TheBigB

You got me with that one! :-)


7 posted on 03/31/2005 11:25:26 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: doug from upland

Imagine if the Marine had been smoking...


8 posted on 03/31/2005 11:26:24 AM PST by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: doug from upland

I'm not suggesting that it's worth fighting over, I just think it's another ridiculous issue.


9 posted on 03/31/2005 11:28:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: hiredhand
If the guy had been in the Army and obviously had some class there wouldn't have been any problem.
10 posted on 03/31/2005 11:38:16 AM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: ken5050

Especially if they had been "smoking" a few terrorist or liberals.


11 posted on 03/31/2005 11:39:57 AM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: cripplecreek

The issue is no longer rediculous and is worth fighting over when society takes a rediculous stand and takes rediculous action over something that is not rediculous.


12 posted on 03/31/2005 11:42:59 AM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: U S Army EOD

Would that make it better or worse than Marlboros..?


13 posted on 03/31/2005 11:44:10 AM PST by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: hiredhand
He's a MARINE for heaven's sake! Have you EVER seen a Marine WITHOUT tatoos?!

LOL, my Marine son has no tattoos but both of his brothers in the Army do. Go figure.

14 posted on 03/31/2005 11:46:04 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom
LOL, my Marine son has no tattoos but both of his brothers in the Army do. Go figure.

Well...there we have it! I've learned that there ARE Marines without tattoos! :-)
15 posted on 03/31/2005 11:51:59 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: doug from upland

At least they are showing good discipline with the trigger fingers outside the guards. Can you imagine the amount of work the Marines have to do to eliminate all the bad habits people pick up from watching TV and movies?


16 posted on 03/31/2005 11:55:16 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: andyk
That's odd. The article from the Oregon Statesman Journal reported that: School officials denied the photo on the grounds the guns in the picture violated district policy

Well. That settles it, then. Newspapers don't get such important details wrong, eh? < /sarcasm >

17 posted on 03/31/2005 12:02:51 PM PST by RonF
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To: andyk

Well, a picture is now proudly displayed with a weapon. I guess they'll have to update the story.


18 posted on 03/31/2005 12:04:37 PM PST by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: ken5050

Much more useful.


19 posted on 03/31/2005 12:06:04 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: armymarinemom

OHHHHH NOOOOO, guess you better disregard my post 10.


20 posted on 03/31/2005 12:07:33 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: U S Army EOD
OHHHHH NOOOOO, guess you better disregard my post 10.

On a good note. Maybe the only one out of the lot to remember moms warnings about age and tattoo stuck with the Marine. I worked in the OR for years. Some of those cool tattoos look pretty sad when you get to be 80.

21 posted on 03/31/2005 12:14:00 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: U S Army EOD
If the guy had been in the Army and obviously had some class there wouldn't have been any problem

An assinine comment.

These Marines appear to be in their hooch over in Iraq enjoying some down time and taking some pictures for their friends and family back home, NOT to be posted in a public place.

It is doubtful that they thought a "classy" picture was necessary for this purpose, dumb-ass.

22 posted on 03/31/2005 12:16:22 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH

Go easy on EOD, he was just getting in a jab(although a weak one)in our friendly interservice rivalry. Damn I never thought I would stand up for an army puke.


23 posted on 03/31/2005 12:26:52 PM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: doug from upland

Thanks Doug! Semper Fidelis and AMEN!


24 posted on 03/31/2005 12:29:25 PM PST by TheGunny
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To: doug from upland

What is with all this PC crap? War is war; life is life; death is death. It was taught to me when I was little, in school, church and at home. My Uncle was in the Korean War, my hubby was in the Vietnam War, people carry guns, loaded guns at that, thats war!!!

Life is when you are born, you go to school, learn, and then have kids, grandkids and reflect over what you have done, and what you have become and what did you leave as your legacy?

Death is death, we believe we go to Heaven, if we are worthy, and its a sure thing, your NOT going to get out of this LIFE ALIVE!!!

This PC crowd needs to 'get over it!' So the Marine doesn't have a shirt on and is hold a 'GUN' My gosh, WHAT A SIN!!! He happens to be giving these PC idiots the RIGHT for their STUPIDITY!!!!


25 posted on 03/31/2005 12:31:10 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (Prayers ease the heavy burdens of the living....)
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To: HarleyLady27

Ms. Robinson : Ms = abbreviation for misery.


26 posted on 03/31/2005 12:39:16 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: hiredhand
He's a MARINE for heaven's sake! Have you EVER seen a Marine WITHOUT tatoos?!

Ahem...me, for one.

27 posted on 03/31/2005 12:44:01 PM PST by Antonello
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To: HarleyLady27

I think she's lying to make the controversy go away.


28 posted on 03/31/2005 12:45:10 PM PST by BubbaTex (Long time lurker)
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To: doug from upland

From the original article:


"We understand the girl's concerns, but our policy prohibits any display of weapons. This photo just isn't right for a classroom," Boucek said.

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The image of Shea's brother does not necessarily convey military service, said Simona Boucek, Salem-Keizer's communications coordinator, and the automatic weapons are the most prominent feature in the photo. The soldiers are pictured casually in a nondescript room.

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Well, I'm glad the principal cleared this up, but either the communications coordinator was way off base, or the principal is lying to deflect criticism of her school, or possibly both.

The article was clearly about banning the picture because of the guns, everyone quoted thought so too.


29 posted on 03/31/2005 12:45:13 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Antonello
Yeah. :-) I was very kindly corrected earlier in this thread. Now I KNOW that there ARE Marines with NO tattoos. :-)
30 posted on 03/31/2005 12:48:23 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: doug from upland

So I admit we overreact without full information sometimes. But we do have ample precedent of PC gone wild to support our reactions.


31 posted on 03/31/2005 1:10:48 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: doug from upland

Actually, my first thought when I saw the picture was that I wouldn't have posted it, either, precisely because of the guy w/o the shirt. He looks like something from the 'hood and I'm a retired officer, so I want children to see soldiers who look more professional.


32 posted on 03/31/2005 1:13:49 PM PST by aBootes
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To: sean327
Damn I never thought I would stand up for an army puke.

Who ya callin' an Army puke? I think it's time for a little intra-service cyber-fight. :^)

-- anti (Gulf War, 2AD)

33 posted on 03/31/2005 1:15:15 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: cripplecreek

Nipples and guns could be a distraction to some.


34 posted on 03/31/2005 1:15:32 PM PST by Rebelbase (Accused Culture of Death member.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

It is understandable. These people have been pulling PC crap for decades. It has to come to a stop.


35 posted on 03/31/2005 1:25:28 PM PST by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: sean327
It WAS pretty weak sean327.

I can't complain too much about Army pukes, 'cause my dad was in the Army many years ago (BEFORE it became the "Army of One"... whatever-the-hell that is).

Then again, soldiers ARE the reason they came up with the little PM magazines (for mechanics, armorers, and probably EOD techs, etc.) in COMIC STRIP form.

By the way, although I didn't have to often, I always laughed when I could get after some young Marine for having his hands in his pockets, by saying, "How about taking off your f'ing 'Army gloves' Marine?".

Soldiers diddy-bopping and hanging around with their hands in their pockets - 'Army gloves', now that brings up a picture of real CLASS (and discipline, pride in appearance, etc.), doesn't it EOD?

All in the spirit of interservice rivalry...

Ooh-rah.

36 posted on 03/31/2005 1:27:23 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: aBootes

Looks like their weapons need some serious cleaning too.


37 posted on 03/31/2005 1:27:27 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: TheBigB

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38 posted on 03/31/2005 1:31:48 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: RKV

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as well. It's a fine picture of a Marine and his buddies, but I am sure that there are better shots.


39 posted on 03/31/2005 1:33:40 PM PST by aBootes
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To: DocH

And an even more assinine comment. Chill out Doc. In EOD we all go to a joint service school and work together. I paid my dues to kid around with the other services so why don't you just shove it.


40 posted on 03/31/2005 1:53:16 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: hiredhand
"Have you EVER seen a Marine WITHOUT tattoos?!"

Yes I have! My Brother
And a former sailor WITHOUT tattoos: Me!
41 posted on 03/31/2005 1:57:55 PM PST by Bar-Face
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To: sean327

Thanks. Sometimes we will even accept support from sailors and jarheads. And in extreme cases from the Airforce and other civilians. In EOD the uniform doesn't matter, we all go to the same school and work together.


42 posted on 03/31/2005 1:58:02 PM PST by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: HarleyLady27

You are dead right. In war you kill people and break things. That is a fact of life and death and the way war is. I've seen my share.


43 posted on 03/31/2005 1:59:46 PM PST by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: DocH

Its hard to put hands your pockets when you sit in your unit bar in your sweat pants or bathing suit. So watch out what you say about EOD.

By the way, I've worked on a few items, up close, that didn't have a comic book or manual to tell me how to do it. One thing in EOD school that is taught that other schools don't have is just pure logic.

Also I had a good friend who was forced out of the Army because he never could get promoted. He almost starved to death as a civilian since he was use to three square meals a day at the mess hall and enjoyed watching The Three Stooges in the dayroom when they didn't have training.

He tried to get in the Navy but almost drowned whey they threw him in a swimming pool. He immediately thought of the Air Force since they live the best. He jumped off a big rock and flapped his arms and immediately fell to the ground so he didn't even go talk to the Air Force.

His last choice was the Marine Corp who were glad to have him. Therefore his transition from the Army to the Marine Corp just happened to raise the average IQ of both services.


44 posted on 03/31/2005 2:12:15 PM PST by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: aBootes

Apparently you have never been around many Army EOD units.


45 posted on 03/31/2005 2:13:31 PM PST by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: Bar-Face; All
Yes I have! My Brother And a former sailor WITHOUT tattoos: Me!

I've taken a bit of a beating for saying that. :-) I've been made accutely aware by several people in this thread that there ARE Marines with no tattoos. :-)

I know better than to "open my mouth before engaging my brain", especially here on FR. :-)
46 posted on 03/31/2005 2:13:58 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: hiredhand

They don't sound much like the "old hands" in the Corp I used to work with.


47 posted on 03/31/2005 2:15:42 PM PST by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: doug from upland

The principal does not seem to be backing down, she never had a problem with it - except the district had a stupid zero-tolerance policy. You know, the type that calls the cops to take out a 6-year-old in handcuffs for drawing a stick figure of Dad with his weapon. Yes, it has happened.

Seems the District bowed to public opinion and told the principal to go ahead and post the picture.


48 posted on 03/31/2005 2:16:16 PM PST by teqjack
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To: doug from upland

"end of controversy"?

Doug? I'd go 20-1 that that woman lied about the guy with no shirt deal. If that's what it was, then why did she consider "revisit[ing]" the school mascot's sword?

I'm not buying it.


49 posted on 03/31/2005 2:21:51 PM PST by Billy Beck
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To: Billy Beck

I think you are right, now she has got herself backed into a corner and she will make any excuse to get out of it without her looking like a total moron.


50 posted on 03/31/2005 2:24:51 PM PST by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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