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Schiavo Kin: Parents Not Wanted at Burial
Guardian ^ | 3/31/05 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM

Posted on 03/31/2005 3:02:29 PM PST by hipaatwo

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To: ace2u_in_MD

I think we are dealing with law-abiding citizens here. But is it against the law to switch the ashes?


301 posted on 03/31/2005 7:54:02 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: HairOfTheDog

You know what, I apologize to you. It's not a personal affront to me just because someone else holds a different opinion. If I can't be civil then I won't say anything.


302 posted on 03/31/2005 8:02:22 PM PST by DameAutour
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To: lil'bit

I don't. Try Scoop 1. This FReeper is an investigative reporter with theEmpireJournal.com. She is amazing. I would ask her, if anyone knows, she does.


303 posted on 03/31/2005 8:04:21 PM PST by Republic (My life support today -KNOWING OUR FATHER ANSWERS PRAYERS!)
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To: DameAutour
Then acknowledge when your sanctimonious "corrections" are shown to be wrong. For example, she did get married in the Catholic Church.

I wasn't sanctimonious, I was curious. Unlike everyone else here, I don't claim to know Terri Schiavo personally. It was a question. 168

304 posted on 03/31/2005 8:06:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: PilloryHillary

Michael is absolutely arrogant and heartless. I hope there is a special place in hell just for him.


Please NO, please; Hell is such a terrible place that you don't even want your worst enemy to rest there. He needs our prayer as well!!!


305 posted on 03/31/2005 8:13:20 PM PST by danamco
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To: hipaatwo

All I will say is that if the media doesn't follow his every movement ibncluding a trip to PA then they are showing their bias as clearly as possible. I have a feeling Sciavo has concocted a complete ruse: he goes to PA while her ashes are disposed somewhere else. Then when he is seen in PA and confronted, he'll state that her ashes are not with him but had already been "placed" somewhere else. Therefore he'll state, people won't accost his family's burial plot.

If I am right, the fact is he'll create even more animosity and his family's plot will be desecrated (the dead buried there are not guilty and so I in no way advocate such action) and therefore will create fodder for Michael to exploit.


306 posted on 03/31/2005 8:13:26 PM PST by torchthemummy ("Terrorism has less to do with economic poverty than with political poverty." - Jane Novak)
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To: HairOfTheDog

On the grounds that hospice doesn't take you unless your terminal & have less than 6 months to live.

That wasn't the case here. Terri was there for 5 yrs. Why wasn't she in a nursing home.

On the grounds that Medicaid was paying $5000 a month to this hospice for her care.

On the grounds that some of these cast of characters were on the board of directors of this hospice.

I agree that hospice care, whether at home or in a facility is a wonderful thing............just not THIS hospice.


307 posted on 03/31/2005 8:15:05 PM PST by Collier
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To: HairOfTheDog

Oh, it is my mom's cousin (not my mom) who has terminal cancer. Thank you for your sentiments, I appreciate them. I am fortunate enough to have a flexible schedule and to live down the road from her so I can help out with taking care of her and taking her to treatments. Tomorrow I am doing some shopping for her. She feels so guilty that we all are doing the things she used to do, as she has always been so selfless of a caretaker to everyone.
She was diagnosed 7 years ago with breast cancer. She had a lumpectomy and then radiation. The cancer came back and metastasized a little over a year ago. We found out after she injured her shoulder and it didn't heal. It still isn't healed (she can't use that arm at all) because of the nerve damage, and that has made matters worse. It's in her liver, lungs, chest and bones. She has been suffering daily with this ever since she started treatment again. The last few weeks she has taken a turn for the worse. Now she can't walk on her own (tumor pressing against nerves in backbone) and is probably going to be in a wheelchair really soon.
It is so hard to see this, and very depressing, but I am fighting the urge to back away because I know she needs me now the most. I have never dealt with anything like this before (I am only 36). It makes all of us so aware of our own mortality.
Each month brings new challenges to overcome. Right now, she is fighting depression and extreme guilt because everyone is bending over backwards for her. I just tell her that for her whole life, she has done the same for others, and that she is worth all the efforts we make on her behalf. The depression part, I don't know how to deal with. I just keep reminding her that her daughter is engaged to a wonderful man and that her son and his wife are trying to have children, so life goes on and she lives in them.
Unfortunately, often when cancer is in the spinal area, it goes to the brain. So I am mentally preparing for this and trying to learn what to expect.
A year ago, my work (I am self-employed) started slowing down. As a result, I have had one day a week to care for her. I believe God has arranged for this. I try to remember this blessing when I wonder why she has to suffer so badly.

Sorry to drop this all on you.


308 posted on 03/31/2005 8:16:33 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: Non-Sequitur

And this surprised you how? The two families have been going after each other for almost 10 years now. There is no love lost between the two families, no compassion for the other side, nobody is going to kiss and make up.


Would you go kiss MS? Follow the money trail!


309 posted on 03/31/2005 8:17:22 PM PST by danamco
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To: followerofchrist

No problem at all. You won't regret a minute of the time you spend making her comfortable. It's that stuff that is really important in life.


310 posted on 03/31/2005 8:19:54 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: peyton randolph
Why not bury her next to Mary Jo Kopechne?


This deserves the highest Freeper Award of the day!!!
311 posted on 03/31/2005 8:20:21 PM PST by danamco
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To: NoBullZone

I was just saying this exact same thing to a friend of mine.

If MS allowed Terri to be re-examined, and everyone then agreed she was PVS, we would all be having a different argument.

But not matter what, IMO, she shouldn't have been starved to death.


312 posted on 03/31/2005 8:22:29 PM PST by Collier
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To: flixxx
Let's look back at this...Michael has been called a 'wife beater', 'murderer' and worse by the Schindlers and their spokesmen (the shrill Randall Terry especially and others) and it has escalated in the final days with all of the media coverage. Can anyone really expect him to forget all of this and make up. I am suprised he even will let them know what region of the country the service will be held.
As I and many others have posted before, there will be and is no good outcome from this whole episode...


Would you expect to forget if somebody was trying and succeeding in killing your own daughter? Mmmmh!!!
313 posted on 03/31/2005 8:25:40 PM PST by danamco
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To: Poohbah
I once again point out that if you spend seven years accusing someone of being a wife beater, without any evidence to back up that claim, then they're probably not going to invite you over for tea and crumpets.

Terri would often go to work with black & blue marks on her.

Terri also talked about divorcing Michael because of his cruelty.

Michaels first girlfriend, after Terri was put into the Hospice, left him because he was so mean. She in an interview said that Michael would often say to her that if she did not perform certain sexual acts on him he would tell her that he would be better of sleeping with Terri in the hospice.

She left him after a year and was stalked by Mikey for almost a year after she dumped him.

So if that is what he is...a wife beater, then why the hell does anyone take offense to calling him exactly what he is.

If all of this is true...and many people are coming out stating this as so, then we all should be calling for this guy to be prosecuted.

Check out his comments about Terri while she was starved to death.

Folks, the government starved this poor girl to death.

There is nothing we can do for her now, but we must let the government know that this will never be tolerated ever again.

If we don't, then just don't eat the soylent green.

314 posted on 03/31/2005 8:26:25 PM PST by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: DameAutour

Is that true?

He's never going to let the parents know where he buried her???

Why won't he allow that information?

He is truly evil.


315 posted on 03/31/2005 8:36:12 PM PST by Collier
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To: silent_jonny
You can know something and still not have proof.

I'm sure Dan Rather would agree.

316 posted on 03/31/2005 8:42:23 PM PST by closet freeper
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To: HairOfTheDog

She went to mass the afternoon before she was mysteriously found lying at HINO's feet. Is that Catholic enough?


317 posted on 03/31/2005 8:43:36 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: cherry

Rush was talking about this today.

It's on his website.

Felos was on the Board of Directors of Hospice of Florida Suncoast, which runs Woodside Hospice, for the first year of Terri's five year stay.

He resigned so it wouldn't look like a conflict.

Others are cited too. Go to rushlimbaugh.com and you'll find the story. It's titled media coverup.


318 posted on 03/31/2005 8:43:51 PM PST by Collier
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To: Jrabbit

Forgive my question then...


319 posted on 03/31/2005 8:45:10 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: pnz1
It is so sad....michael's days of hurting her are over...and we are here to stand in the gap for the parents.

They now know that WE KNOW and they are NO LONGER ALONE!

What they are fighting down there is HUGE.

I mean it.

And it will all come out as we work together to untangle the people who, through horrific organizations from the suncoast hospice to the scientologists to the incestuous work connections and guardian scams have TURNED the JUDICIAL SYSTEM IN PINELLAS COUNTY UPSIDE DOWN and HEADING TOWARDS HELL!

320 posted on 03/31/2005 8:48:07 PM PST by Republic (My life support today -KNOWING OUR FATHER ANSWERS PRAYERS!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I apologize! My post came out sounding rude, which I didn't mean it to.

I was surprised to learn that Terri went to mass that day. Because Michael has stated that she wasn't really that devout. His reason for denying Holy communion.

Again, I apologize


321 posted on 03/31/2005 8:48:32 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: Miss Behave

Thanks....have to laugh at the typos, tho! I get too lazy to reread....DUH!


322 posted on 03/31/2005 8:50:55 PM PST by Republic (My life support today -KNOWING OUR FATHER ANSWERS PRAYERS!)
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To: Jrabbit; DameAutour

Everyone has been so touchy lately on these threads, I appreciate the new politeness! I apologize for the sharp sounding questions. :~D

Good night everyone.


323 posted on 03/31/2005 8:51:50 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Collier

Felos said today that the court...Greer....ordered the cremation. Does that make sense?

Michael says her ashes will be buried in his familys private plot. Through Felos, Michael said Terris parents can erect a memorial to Terri anyplace they wish....except where she's buried.

He's a real prince.....of darkness


324 posted on 03/31/2005 8:53:12 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: HairOfTheDog

Good night...


325 posted on 03/31/2005 8:53:39 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: hipaatwo

Seems to me if her wishes really were to die if faced with the situation she was in, her wishes would include her family being present at her funeral.

Wonder if MS will bring the new wife to the funeral. If he does I'm sure his family/friends will argue that was Terri's wishes as well.


326 posted on 03/31/2005 9:03:06 PM PST by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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To: Buford Montana
A Catholic cemetery is not "required by the Catholic Faith"
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I am on staff at a Roman Catholic Church, so I do have credible answers to your questions.
A Catholic does not have to be buried in a Catholic cemetery, but it is preferred. If a Catholic is buried in a non-Catholic cemetery a priest should conduct a graveside service in which the grave and remains or in Terri's case, cremains, are blessed and prayed over. If not, it is not a Catholic burial.
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He would not allow daily Communion.

She couldn't swallow, it might have killed her early.
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Terri's Holy Communion consisted of a drop of Precious Blood placed on her tongue. This would not have been enough to cause any "damage." Spiritually speaking with the voice of Faith, receiving the Blood of Christ would not under any condition, cause harm unless the person were in a state of serious mortal sin. Terri was given Precious Blood on Easter. Many Catholics believe that merely daily Communion would have sustained her for as long as God willed. There are documented cases of saints that lived years on only the daily Eucharist.
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People sometimes don't realize the funeral mass is not a sacrament, but a celebration. And she can have one, body or not.
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The funeral Mass, ie. The Mass of Christian Burial or The Mass of Resurrection is indeed a sacrament. Every Mass is a sacrament because the Eucharist is celebrated. The body MUST be present at the Mass of Christian Burial, if a body is not present then it is a Memorial Mass.
327 posted on 03/31/2005 9:05:20 PM PST by luvs tradition
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To: hipaatwo

I hope the Schindlers will put up a headstone for Terri near where they live so they can visit the site and pour out their hearts.


328 posted on 03/31/2005 9:14:35 PM PST by GretchenM (Threadbare tagline taken down for repair.)
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To: lil'bit
I don't remember their names.. but I've read that MS pulled them both off feeding tubes and someone said Jodi's name was also in the obituary. i think they live in Florida too and died since 1990. Hope that helps:)
329 posted on 03/31/2005 9:41:29 PM PST by flowergirl (Trust in the Lord with all your heart)
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To: lugsoul

If this is sarcasm, then you forgot your tag, if your mocking my post then think about this, what does he have to lose by allowing HER FAMILY to attend. It would be a great first step in any possible reconciliation that could occur between the families.

Don't you think the whacko protestors will already be in attendance, do you think the family won't be able to attend the funeral with some dignity. I think they would, although I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. I haven't heard them utter one word similar to what you're saying, they've come close, but it's been civil.

So, if it was sarcasm fine, if you were mocking me, don't bother replying, as you have nothing to write or say that I want to read or hear.


330 posted on 04/01/2005 5:48:31 AM PST by SZonian (Tagline???? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: TontoKowalski
Obviously the good citizens of PA don't take kindly to the shiavo family these days. They are complaining of death threats. If they thought they should be treated as celebrities they were mistaken. It seems the notoriety from michael's pursuit of murder has given them a bad name. Boo-hoo.
331 posted on 04/01/2005 5:59:10 AM PST by tioga (Terri Shindler Shiavo RIP.)
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To: Collier

Thank you. I suppose he looks at that way. I certainly don't think Terri "won" anything.


333 posted on 04/01/2005 8:09:56 AM PST by Hi Heels (Now Andy, I ain't got time for them trivial trivialities...Barney Fife)
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To: Eva

I did not think he was Italian. Usually there is not the letter H in many Italian names. Who knows.


334 posted on 04/01/2005 8:14:17 AM PST by angcat
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To: angcat

The Schiavos in Philadelphia were Italian, though. At least according to my husband.


335 posted on 04/01/2005 8:44:15 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

Terri's mom looks Italian and so did Terri.


336 posted on 04/01/2005 9:00:28 AM PST by angcat
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To: Buford Montana

"To be married in the Catholic church, they must be a priest in attendance, along with certain ceremonies, that must be performed. [True]

"But these can be integrated into another ceremony *at another church."

*False: Not sactioned by the CC!
Some errant priest may do it but it is approved by the church.


337 posted on 04/01/2005 10:02:01 AM PST by dcnd9
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To: hipaatwo; All
In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

338 posted on 04/02/2005 12:17:07 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God save the rest of us.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I can't get it to play. :(


339 posted on 04/09/2005 9:06:14 PM PDT by Collier
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To: Collier
I can't get it to play. :(

We've noticed that AOL browswers won't open it. Other than that, if you have the latest version of Windows Media Player, you should be OK - it does take a while to load. It may say "done" while the play button is still greyed out; I've had to click the play button a couple of times but it does play.

Hopefully you'll find it worth the effort.

340 posted on 04/11/2005 9:59:58 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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