Hey, CJ. Good to see you haven't lost your sense of sport....
Posted on 03/31/2005 6:07:24 PM PST by PatriotatHeart
This is an ordinance being presented in Elsmere, DE:
ORDINANCE 447
AN ORDINANCE REGARDING ILLEGAL ALIENS, LANDLORDS WHO RENT TO ILLEGAL ALIENS AND EMPLOYERS WHO EMPLOY ILLEGAL ALIENS
WHEREAS, it is estimated that 11 million illegal aliens are currently in The United States of America, and
WHEREAS, hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens enter this country annually, and
WHEREAS, resources of the Public Safety Department and the Code Department are stretched to their limits with complaints regarding apparent illegal aliens, and
WHEREAS, immigration violations that go unpunished frequently lead to additional violations of the law including, but not limited to, unlawful employment, benefit fraud, document fraud, identity theft, gang activity, drug dealing and even terrorism, and
WHEREAS, from 1993 to 2002 one quarter of the foreign-born radical Muslim terrorists who committed crimes in the U.S. were illegal aliens when they committed their crimes and one half of the total had documented violations of immigration law. Out of that number 19 were 9/11 hijackers, and
WHEREAS, Elsmere’s quality of life has been negatively affected by the influx of apparent illegal aliens, and
WHEREAS, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement has demonstrated itself to be unable or unwilling to properly enforce violations of immigrations laws.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF ELSMERE AS FOLLOWS:
Definitions Relating To This Section:
(a) Officer – Any sworn member of the Department of Public Safety, any sworn member of the Code Department, the Town Manager. (b) Illegal Alien – Any person who is a citizen of another country who is within the Town of Elsmere who has no legal status to be in this country. © Landlord – The legal owner of a property who rents to another individual in return for remuneration. (c) Reasonable Suspicion – A particularized and objective basis, supported by specific and articulable facts for suspecting that a person is an illegal alien. The inability, for example to produce a valid U.S. driver’s license or a valid Social Security Card would reach the level of “reasonable suspicion”. 2. An officer of the Town of Elsmere, when encountering an individual whom the officer has reasonable suspicion to believe that the individual is an illegal alien, shall require the individual to produce a document verifying his legal status within this country. Failure of the individual to provide such documentation subjects the individual to a fine of $100.
3, Any landlord who rents living space to an individual who is proven to be an illegal alien shall be fined the amount of $1000. for each illegal alien residing within the rental unit.
4. Any business owner within the Town of Elsmere who employs an illegal alien shall be fined the amount of $1000.for each illegal alien in his employ.
5. None of the fines provided for in this Ordinance are subject to suspension.
_____________________ ______________________ First and Second Reading Third and Final Reading
___________________ ______________________ Mayor Secretary
___________________ Town Solicitor
I'll happily second that motion
Ping.
Now, if we could get every town and city to pass this ....
Sounds good to me. Got a source to link to?
Also, shouldn't there be a provision that any illegal fined $1,000 but who does not have the money can work it off (after suitable deductions for room, board, medical care, etc.)?
Not at all, I think this was chat that was posted under news.
More government extorsion.
EUtanise them, let them die with peace and happy face like Terri!!!
Somebody wake up Hitler or Stalin, we need them to bring some order to these states united in marching towards police state. Take your shoes off, open your luggage and homes, have a policeman staying at your house, walk naked....
Or, of course, they could be missing a link since they mention a particular number.
Is a good thought, but on a Federal level, they tear things like this up.
We passed a lot of this in CA with 187 by a vast majority vote of the people and the Judiciary bent the whole state over and said it was illegal in many parts.
Seems we need to change lots of justices to get simple justice these days.
Thats too bad. I looked around for something also. I'd be interested to read the public testimony on this.
No, said alien can contact their respective consulate/embassy for payment. If payment is denied, foreign aid to that country ceases.
In the "etc." should be the cost of greyhound ticket to Matamoros...
Awesome! Now our town police can shake people down and ask them, "Papers! Show me your papers, please!"
When do you asshats put up the barbed wire and start goose stepping?
Thats too bad. I looked around for something also. I'd be interested to read the public testimony on this.
Lemme see, now... if a policeperson stops you on the street tomorrow and asks you to identify yourself, you're going to tell her to take flying leap? I don't think so. And if she then asks you if you will produce an ID, you're going to tell her to make that a double leap? Again, I really don't think so.
Yep.
I can immagine the public testimony on this.
Let me play this drama out.
Public: We want illegals out and our borders guarded against illegals and terrorist for real.
Judges, policicans: F-U!
The best route for any municipality that is serious about this is to have their sworn law enforcement officers deputized as ICE agents. There is a program for that but only a very few agencies take advantage of it it. No political subdivision wants to that because of police union contracts and stuff like that and if they do it then ACLU/MALDEF et all get all over them until they back down.
Welcome to Free Republic!
In California yes, in Nevada no.
Immigration is supposed to be a responsibility of the federal government. However, state and local governments have learned that they can no longer count on the federal government to discharge its obligations in this area.
There are now millions of people illegally in this country today. No one knows exactly how many separate persons and entities are employing them now on a regular basis. The number of employers committing this crime must be at least in the tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands. And many of them engage in that criminal conduct more or less openly, making little or no effort to even conceal their crimes.
Notwithstanding all that, it is my understanding that during the entire calendar year 2004, the federal government failed to secure even one fine against any of these employers. Is that incompetence or is it corruption?
I agree. I imagine the ACLU would have their A-team in on this one too. I'm still not finding anything. I'm wondering if someone is jerking our collective chain here.
Signed up tommorow to post that?
During Kalifornia Governor Pete Wilson's tenure in office, quite a large number of illegals were picked up by state police (usually on other grounds than illegality). The State then attempted to turn them over to INS, who refused to take them and refused to pay the State for taking care of them. Regrettably, Wilson didn't have the 'nads to go ahead and put them to work for the State...
Ideally, we should turn the affected border areas over to the military and stem the tide at its source. If the political leadership (Congress, et al) will permit, and authorize the use of force, the USMC and others can do the job efficiently. This is a military, security and tactical problem.
To put the Onus (Rentals, etc) on private Citizens is laughable in light of the overall "bigger picture."
Fix and seal the borders, turn the tide. If Congress declares War on Mexico, this mess could be wrapped up in short order.
Mexico Delenda Est. Salt the Earth and burn it.
After that, Canada may start taking copious notes in an agreeable and careful manner.
Putting the burden on private Citizens is like executing the unknowing property owner because the hired, temporary hand surrepticiously opened the barn door and gleefully let the horses run wild.
Part two of the fable is that the negligent worker (the Full Time Professional Politician - the "PP") also burned the barn down, but they just Can Not Hold Him Accountable, now can they?
Yes, in Nevada "investigating" by an officer can be a pretty "diffuse" thing! :)) However, even in California I'd identify myself and then and only then start asking if I'm free to go ...
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In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court the Supreme Court decided (5-4) that the policeman (what's with your political correctness? Weren't you taught English in school?) needs reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred before he can request ID. We're not in a total police state yet, but that doesn't stop the hoping.
A FRiend and I discussed this at work as a way for towns and cities to fill their coffers and perhaps discourage illegals from coming here.
End the free ride, immigrate legally, seal the gaps between the POEs, self-deportation...all of it.
Methinks a tide is turning in America.
Try it here in Nevada (but tell me first, I really want to watch the fun)
Welcome to FR. Thanks for the info. Is there a link to any published accounts of this resolution?
Why not just have a private vigilante committee put on some armbands and march out there and document the legal status and nationality of every living person, and assemble a list of those who couldn't or wouldn't come up with any proof of citizenship upon demand?
Let me crank out the numbers for you.
If there are 20 mil in the country, and, on average, 6 illegals occupy a housing unit, then the illegals occupy 3,333,333 housing units. How many mortgages would go into default? What is the total loss of equity?
Now, we know that these illegals congregate in certain states and the cities, so what would happen in LA, DFW, or Houston? Would the real estate market collapse?
Hey, CJ. Good to see you haven't lost your sense of sport....
Your numbers don't represent reality. I doubt very many actually have mortgages and the few that do the banks would get the property and sell them to honest people. No big deal.
Great idea, instead of armbands give them brownshirts.
Why am I not suprised your mindset considers cops hassling innocent people as 'fun'.
Even if the landlord has clear title, the income on his rental unit house is used for something. No tenant-no money.
You cannot comprehend that these illegals are imbedded in the economy by what they produce and what they consume.
How many beers do 20 mil illegals drink in a month? How many tortillas do they eat? How many peek-ups do they drive?
I don't care. They should be gone just for the spit in the eye to all other law-abiding citizens. Should we throw our principles out the window?
You may not care, but there are plenty that do.
This cartoon reminds me of an oldie but goodie, if you have it pls. post.
Entitled "Coffee pee smells weird"
Do you have this?
One basis of humor is watching an ignorant, opinionated jerk like you do something really stupid with a policeperson.
Who cares, in the long run it would be better for country and the economy.
This was on my mind so much tonight, that when I played tennis doubles, I was thinking my doubles partner's net play reminded me of our Mexico/US border.
That means my parter was 5% effective at best!
No I don't have that one.
#41
What percentage of American's own homes? About half? A real estate price rollback would be a boon to those who didn't. They might even start earning a decent wage again too.
I really don't much care about the landlords who are stuffing their pockets with rent from illegals.
#41
Here is a link: http://kyw.com/delaware/DE--Elsmere-Immigrant-den/resources_news_html
We are just now trying to get the word out
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