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Felos: 'This death... was for Terri'
WND ^ | March 31 05 | WND

Posted on 03/31/2005 10:10:55 PM PST by churchillbuff

At a news conference after Terri Schiavo's death today, the noted "right-to-die" attorney for her estranged husband spoke repeatedly of the severely brain-injured woman's "death process" by starvation and dehydration, describing it as "calm, peaceful and gentle."

George Felos – who prevailed through years of litigation to secure a court order removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube March 18 – said he was with her for most of the 24 hours before her death today at about 9 a.m. Eastern time.

"It was evident upon first seeing Terri yesterday that she was entering into the final stages of the death process," Felos said after expressing condolences to Terri's family – the Schindlers – and husband Michael Schiavo.

The estranged husband has said that upon Terri's death, he plans to marry his live-in fiance, Jodi Centonze, with whom he has two children.

Felos continued describing Terri's last hours: "She went through initial periods of rapid breathing ... she would go through periods of labored breathing," he said. "Progressively over the period of time we were there, you could see mottling of her extremities. ... That means the heart could not pump to the extremities, and her limbs became progessively colder.

"As time went on," Felos reiterated, "it became evident Terri was going through the final stages of the death process."

In sharp contrast to Felos' description of a "peaceful' death, a Schindler spokesman, Fr. Frank Pavone, who was in the room until about 10 or 15 minutes before Terri died, said she "was obviously in deep distress and suffering."

A reporter asked Felos how he could describe Terri's passing as a "death with dignity" when she was "starved to death."

"I'm sure you know that's an inaccurate question," Felos retorted. "Patients don't starve to death by removal of artificial nutrition and hydration ... ."

As WorldNetDaily reported, Terri's brother Bobby Schindler characterized Felos as having "some infatuation with death" after hearing the attorney describe his sister last Saturday as looking "beautiful" as she lay dying.

Virtually all other eyewitnesses described her as "gaunt," "drawn," "struggling" and "fighting like hell" for life.

One explanation for Felos' comments is suggested in the attorney's own 2002 book, "Litigation As Spiritual Practice," in which the longtime volunteer hospice worker describes a psychic encounter in which he promised a vegetative patient he would "do everything in my power" to bring her life to an end.

Despite saturation press coverage of the Terri Schiavo case, Felos's New Age spirituality has not emerged as an issue. However, as Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission said to the St. Petersburg Times, the Terri Schiavo case represents a "clash of two very disparate civilizations – the Judeo-Christian civilization, which is based upon the sanctity of human life, and the neopagan, relativist, quality-of-life civilization."

Added James A. Smith Sr., executive editor of the Florida Baptist Witness: "Both worldviews are in play in the Schiavo debate, and it's long past time for the public to understand this."

'This was for Terri'

At the news confernce today, Felos emphasized that Michael Schiavo had been living in a room at the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., for the past two weeks in order to be with Terri during her "death process." The attorney insisted Michael Schiavo only has been acting on his wife's behalf.

"Mr. Schiavo's overriding concern here was to provide for Terri a peaceful death with dignity," Felos said. "This death was not for the siblings and spouse and parents; this was for Terri. She has a right to die peaceably in a loving setting and with dignity."

At this point, the attorney said, Michael Schiavo is "in grief."

"He has gone through an excrutiating process of the death of the wife he loves very much," stated Felos.

John Centonze, the brother of Michael Schiavo's fiance, served as a spokesman today, saying a friend who phoned Michael soon after news broke of the death reported Michael "couldn't speak, he was crying."

Felos said the Schindler's last-minute legal filings with the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court were "in a way, cruel."

"No family in the U.S. have to go through the death process for a loved one should have the added worrry that courts or politicians would interfere with the death process that a loved one has chosen and almost completed," he said.

Felos said it was very "disquieting" to hear Pavone "issue venom and make extremely harsh statements about Mr. Schiavo."

Before television cameras this morning, Pavone charged: "This is not only a death, with all the sadness that brings, this is a killing. We not only grieve for Terri, we grieve that our nation would allow such an atrocity as this, and we pray it will never happen again."

Felos, noting Pavone is a pro-life activist, said the priest misued his "platform."

"Instead of words of reconciliation, words of healing or words of compassion, which you might expect from a spiritual person," he used it to drive his "ideological agenda," Felos said.

Felos also responded to Pavone's criticism of Michael Schiavo's decision to not allow Schindler family members in the room at the time of Terri's death.

Felos argued a quick decision had to be made because of a report that Terri's brother, Bobby Schindler, had a confrontation with a police officer in, or near, Terri's room.

Felos explained he had spent the night with Michael Schiavo and another attorney in Terri's room and left when Bobby Schindler, sister Suzanne Vitadamo and Pavone came for a visit at 7 a.m.

At about 8:45 a.m., Felos said, a hospice administrator "mentioned we are entering the final process, you had better go to see Terri. Now may be the time."

The attorney said he was told the family members had been ordered to leave the room because staff need to do an assessment of Terri's condition.

According to Felos, the administrator said Bobby Schindler wanted to remain in the room and got into a dispute with a law enforcement official.

Felos said this news was "very disconcerting" to Michael Schiavo, and the husband made the decision that it was "not appropriate" under the circumstances to have the Schindlers in the room.

Terri "had a right to have her last and final moments on this Earth be experienced by a spirit of love and not acrimony," Felos said. "Mr. Schiavo was not going to permit a potentially [disruptive] situation, knowing there was a dispute with law enforcement."

Felos said Robert and Mary Schindler were not near the hospice at that time. Distraught by her daughter's worsening condition, Mrs. Schindler had decided not to visit since Easter.

'He loved Terri deeply'

The attorney said that when Terri died, "her husband was present by her bed, cradling her."

Afterward, Michael Schiavo left and the Schindlers were "free to spend as much time as they wanted with the body."

Before Terri's body was removed, Felos said, about 30 to 40 hospice workers formed a circle around the body.

"It was a very emotional scene," he said. "Many have cared for Terri for over five years."

Responding to a reporters question, Felos re-emphasized that "paramount for [Michael] was Terri and her death process."

Felos said it was evident "to everyone around him, the profound emotion and loss for Mr. Schiavo."

"It was clear to everyone that he loved Terri deeply, and her passing was a tremendous loss for him," Felos said.

Saying he wanted to respect Michael Schiavo's privacy, he added only that Schiavo's feelings were "expressed in the emotional terms you would expect."

Felos said that at the time of Terri's death, she had a "stuffed tabby kitty" under one arm, and there were flowers in the room. Previously "very soft, soothing music" also was playing.

'Level of acrimony'

Asked why questions of access to Terri's room were not worked out in advance, Felos pointed to "the level of acrimony hurled at Mr. Schiavo by the Schindlers."

"He'd been called a murderer and wife abuser," Felos said. "That is not behavior that leads to reconciliation."

Felos said it's his understanding that Michael Schiavo will "not inherit a penny" as a result of Terri's death, clarifying that he knows of no life insurance policy.

The attorney was asked if he or Michael Schiavo had been approached about "movie deals."

Pausing, Felos said, "I'll answer it this way – as early as the first trial, which was in January of 2000, we received on behalf of Mr. Schiavo some inquiries."

There have been others since then, he added.

"Our response has always been we're not interested in discussing this; it's an inappropriate subect and we haven't discussed or entertained any offers," Felos stated.

But he added: "As to what may happen in the future, I don't know."

Asked about the potential legacy of this case, Felos said he had been too close to it to consider such questions, but offered, "A lot of the opposition had more to do with the fear of death than the sanctity of life."

Felos said he believes the case has led to "a family dialogue, a national dialogue and perhaps a worldwide dialogue."

"Death is one of the last taboo subjects in our society," he said. "One of her legacies may be that we finally have matured as a society and come to grips with this question and start to deal with it in a responsible matter."

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Editor's note: "Life and Death in America" – a stunning special investigative report that will start with the Terri Schiavo story, but will go on to expose as never before America's rapidly expanding euthanasia/"right-to-die" movement – will be the focus of an upcoming issue of WND's acclaimed monthly Whistleblower magazine.

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1 posted on 03/31/2005 10:10:56 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

And like OJ, Felos is a legend in his own mind.


2 posted on 03/31/2005 10:13:53 PM PST by GVnana
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To: churchillbuff
"He'd been called a murderer and wife abuser,"
3 posted on 03/31/2005 10:13:54 PM PST by Lexinom (You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.)
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To: churchillbuff

i think the death was chiefly for ghoulos.

any sane and ethical lawyer (oxy?) would have suggested to hino that he walk away from terri, let the schindlers worry about the burden, and he keep the money for himself.


4 posted on 03/31/2005 10:14:27 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: churchillbuff
At a news conference after Terri Schiavo's death today, the noted "right-to-die" attorney for her estranged husband spoke repeatedly of the severely brain-injured woman's "death process" by starvation and dehydration, describing it as "calm, peaceful and gentle."

The most despicable copulation of words I have ever heard in 48 years on this earth I heard when that SOB spoke today.

5 posted on 03/31/2005 10:17:05 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: churchillbuff

Felos makes me sick!

He is the personification of evil and, while it's not for us to judge, I'll be surprised if he's not reunited with the Prince of Darkness when his time comes.


6 posted on 03/31/2005 10:17:55 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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To: churchillbuff

I caught that too when he said it. What a rotten creap!


7 posted on 03/31/2005 10:21:05 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: churchillbuff
"Death is one of the last taboo subjects in our society," he said. "One of her legacies may be that we finally have matured as a society and come to grips with this question and start to deal with it in a responsible matter."

Unbelievable! Stalin has just lost rank in his infamous legacy.

8 posted on 03/31/2005 10:22:41 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: The Red Zone

How sad that Terri's final hours were spent in the company of these ghouls instead of in the arms of her loved ones. It isn't scriptural, but it's true: what goes around, comes around. Schiavo, the death-cult lawyer and slimey judge had better not look back. The grim reaper will be dogging THEIR every step. If they somehow escape justice here on earth, they will surely get it on the day of their own deaths. I for one won't shed any tears for them.


9 posted on 03/31/2005 10:22:45 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: churchillbuff

I listened until I began to gag, then like Rush, I felt I had to go take a shower.

Felos is one repulsive non-human being.


10 posted on 03/31/2005 10:23:03 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: churchillbuff

I've truly tried to reserve judgment on this because I wasn't there and don't know the facts, but Felos strikes me as a very abnormal individual, and this is a very disturbing thing to read.


11 posted on 03/31/2005 10:24:32 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: churchillbuff
"He'd been called a murderer and wife abuser,"...

Now honesty is a bad thing????

12 posted on 03/31/2005 10:24:51 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: churchillbuff; All

Re 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,
18 "that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
(NKJV)

PRAYERS FOR TERRI'S FAMILY!

GOD IS THE ULTIMATE SNIPER!

THEY ALL CAN RUN BUT THEY WILL ONLY DIE TIRED!

GODSPEED!


13 posted on 03/31/2005 10:26:23 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE!)
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To: churchillbuff
"A lot of the opposition had more to do with the fear of death than the sanctity of life."

"Death is one of the last taboo subjects in our society," he said. "One of her legacies may be that we finally have matured as a society and come to grips with this question and start to deal with it in a responsible matter."

Do you believe this guy? man.... He really is a death merchant of the first order.
14 posted on 03/31/2005 10:27:35 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: EGPWS

And he is still BEING called a murderer and a wife abuser. On jolly good evidence, I would say.


15 posted on 03/31/2005 10:27:35 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: EGPWS

Most in this country are like a frog placed in cold water before the heat is turned gradually up. We are boiling to death and don't even know it. This whole thing is beyond belief....the majority polled think this was despicable murder was merciful. "Pro-choice" (murder in my book) has conditioned us to the concept of convenient death and this murder of Terri is just an extension of that thinking. The monster attorney says dying of thirst is "beautiful, dignified" He'd have done well in Nazi Germany. We're in big big trouble as a society.


16 posted on 03/31/2005 10:27:52 PM PST by Aria
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To: Texas_Jarhead

The merchant of menace.


17 posted on 03/31/2005 10:28:00 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: GVgirl
At about 8:45 a.m., Felos said, a hospice administrator "mentioned we are entering the final process, you had better go to see Terri.

How many people were entering the 'final process'? I hate this newspeak stuff, plus it's condescending.

Just when I think I can't be disgusted any more than I already am...

'He loved Terri deeply'

and this gem:

"Mr. Schiavo's overriding concern here was to provide for Terri a peaceful death with dignity," Felos said. "This death was not for the siblings and spouse and parents; this was for Terri. She has a right to die peaceably in a loving setting and with dignity."

Yup, death is real dignified particularly when you've been denied food and water for almost two weeks and your tongue is probably swollen and hanging out of your mouth. Real dignified and loving.

I will never succumb to the brave new world of these revolting, morbid, loathsome ghouls.

18 posted on 03/31/2005 10:28:07 PM PST by american colleen
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To: churchillbuff

THIS IS THE MOST TWISTED, SICK THING I HAVE EVER READ!!!!


19 posted on 03/31/2005 10:30:59 PM PST by Dasaji (Are the voices in my head bothering you?)
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To: The Red Zone

"he keep the money for himself"

What money? The lawsuit gave the husband $300,000 - and the trust for Terri's care was $750,000. However, Michael had permission from Greer to spend the trust money on lawyers - the same lawyers who were hired to find a way to kill her.


20 posted on 03/31/2005 10:31:08 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

I mean instead of continuing on his jihad to kill terri. If he'd called it off, it would not have been spent on lawyers. He could have kept it.


21 posted on 03/31/2005 10:32:12 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
reunited with the Prince of Darkness.....

Every time he looks in the mirror.

22 posted on 03/31/2005 10:33:26 PM PST by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon)
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To: churchillbuff

I heard the news conference that he gave and it made me want to gag. Felos was proud of his roll and saw absolutely nothing wrong with Terri being surrounded by Michael's lawyers in her final moments. Michael's cruelty is beyond belief.


23 posted on 03/31/2005 10:33:31 PM PST by Merry
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To: Merry

The more he talks publicly, the more people will realize he is a sick, sick human being.


24 posted on 03/31/2005 10:34:22 PM PST by american colleen
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To: churchillbuff
The attorney was asked if he or Michael Schiavo had been approached about "movie deals."

The movie will be filled with nothing but 'death with dignity' crap. It will be like watching one of Felos's press conferences. And, of course, Felos will want to play Felos.

25 posted on 03/31/2005 10:35:31 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: EGPWS
At a news conference after Terri Schiavo's death today, the noted "right-to-die" attorney...describing it as "calm, peaceful and gentle."

I knew that I've heard this verbiage before--reading about the Holocaust during World War II, the Germans had orchestras playing music when they herded them from the train platforms to the "showers" and to their eventual murder. The music helped keep the panic level low...I've only been around for 47 years but this attorney is sump'in else.

26 posted on 03/31/2005 10:35:34 PM PST by Skybird
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To: The Red Zone

Well .. since it was in trust for Terri's care - I don't think he could have (without Greer's help) - unless of course the parents would have let him keep it if he gave them Terri.

Also .. remember the husband was offered $1 mil to walk away and included a divorce. Because he wouldn't walk away - it's always been my assumption there was some other reason he wanted to get rid of her. Until proven otherwise, I will always believe he tried to kill her and he denied rehab for her because he was afraid she could learn to talk and would tell the world what he had done to her. Just a guess.


27 posted on 03/31/2005 10:36:59 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: The Red Zone

I thought he wanted her immediately cremated until he found out the State was going to do an autopsy whether he liked it or not and this is when his despicable mouthpiece came out an announced that Schiavo wanted an autopsy. Jumping in front of the parade as it were...
I find it impossible to think he was motivated by concerns for his estranged wife so in the absence of that one has to wonder why he wanted her dead so badly and there is logic in thinking that he presumed he'd be getting rid of evidence by hastening her death and then immediately cremating her.


28 posted on 03/31/2005 10:37:08 PM PST by Aria
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To: Merry
Felos was proud of his roll and saw absolutely nothing wrong with Terri being surrounded by Michael's lawyers in her final moments.

Couldn't have her own flesh and blood holding her at the end but she had the cadre of lawyers who lobbied for years to kill her... and I thought her 'death process' was supposed to be 'private and dignified'... and she has total strangers with her.

29 posted on 03/31/2005 10:39:23 PM PST by american colleen
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To: EGPWS

No kidding. In fact, in the realm of top 10 despicable copulations of words, he owns all 10. Here are just a few...



A reporter asked Felos how he could describe Terri's passing as a "death with dignity" when she was "starved to death."

"I'm sure you know that's an inaccurate question," Felos retorted. "Patients don't starve to death by removal of artificial nutrition and hydration ... ."

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" the attorney for Michael Schiavo invoked the commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ while calling on Terri Schiavo's parents to end their efforts to save their daughter's life.

"We believe it's time for that to stop as we approach this Easter weekend," noted "right-to-die" attorney, author and activist George Felos told a throng of gathered television cameras, "and that Mrs. Schiavo be able to die in peace." "

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I don't have an exact quote on this one*, but the day before he invoked Easter as a reason for the Schindlers to stop trying to save their daugher, he had said that the parents would be better served to spend their time in reflection.

*If someone else here does, please post it.


30 posted on 03/31/2005 10:49:58 PM PST by green pastures
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To: churchillbuff

"Oh my soul, be prepared to meet Him who knows how to ask questions".


31 posted on 03/31/2005 10:51:10 PM PST by Just Lori
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To: EGPWS

He must be rolling over in his grave...


32 posted on 03/31/2005 10:52:33 PM PST by green pastures
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To: churchillbuff

Hey Felos, she's dead already OK? The legal battle is over, time to STFU and recede to the background, your 15 minutes is over.

He is too damn close to all this, he's just the attorney for pete's sake. It's obvious from the unending verbal vomit that this thing is personal and driven by ideology. He's so consumed by it that's he's just running his mouth now and overplaying his hand.


33 posted on 03/31/2005 10:53:12 PM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: churchillbuff

Hey Felos, she's dead already OK? The legal battle is over, time to STFU and recede to the background, your 15 minutes is over.

He is too damn close to all this, he's just the attorney for pete's sake. It's obvious from the unending verbal vomit that this thing is personal and driven by ideology. He's so consumed by it that's he's just running his mouth now and overplaying his hand.


34 posted on 03/31/2005 10:54:05 PM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: Billthedrill
I've truly tried to reserve judgment on this because I wasn't there and don't know the facts, but Felos strikes me as a very abnormal individual, and this is a very disturbing thing to read.

I've done pretty much the same thing in reserving judgment, but the more I'm learning about this lawyer's connections to the "right-to-die" movement, the more I'm thinking what a lot of nerve he has talking about Fr. Pavone's "ideological agenda" when he obviously has one of his own.

35 posted on 03/31/2005 10:55:49 PM PST by dbwz (2A Sister)
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To: Slyfox
They can call it "Million Dollar Bab Terri."
36 posted on 03/31/2005 10:58:58 PM PST by green pastures
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To: churchillbuff

He makes me wish that the Dark Side of the Force was real, so I could "find his lack of faith disturbing".

Regards, Ivan


37 posted on 03/31/2005 11:02:47 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: churchillbuff
"George Felos – who prevailed through years of litigation to secure a court order removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube March 18 – said he was with her for most of the 24 hours before her death today at about 9 a.m. Eastern time."

Poor Terri, dying in the prescence of and while that EVIL GHOUL stares at her. I understand Felos believes he will recieve the life force of a person if he is present when they are dying.

There is so much I could respond to in this article it is difficult to know where to begin.

38 posted on 03/31/2005 11:06:53 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: churchillbuff
"Patients don't starve to death by removal of artificial nutrition and hydration ... ."

The above is such a BIG LIE it is UTTERLY laughable that anyone would make such a bizarre statment.

If Felos will LIE so BLATANTLY about something well known to the rest of us as FALSE, what else will he lie about?????

ALL nutrition and HYDRATION was ordered denied from Terri, even nutrition and hydration that could be given by mouth.

39 posted on 03/31/2005 11:13:57 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: TAdams8591

Ah yes, hell-Feline. Starvation is caused when you also won't let them try to eat by mouth.


40 posted on 03/31/2005 11:17:11 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: Aria
We are boiling to death and don't even know it.

Although I still hold well placed confidence in humankind, your words are well placed and are food for thought.

Now in Europe they are actually discussing the lack of suffering of a fully born baby and in certain cases when it is determined by "specialists" that their life may not be long or fruitful, euthanasia should be a consideration for the baby's best interests of course. After all, it would be painless.....

Point being, you KNOW what this Terri Shiavo debacle is going to lead to.

It's not going to help the respect for human life to prosper that's for sure.

And to think terrorists, murderers, and pedophiles, and for all that matters, whales, chipmunks, and the like enjoy a greater concern for their well being than Terri to some!

Sorry for my going on but I am frustrated with this and can see where it could lead us.

41 posted on 03/31/2005 11:18:47 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: churchillbuff

Is that something like "This Bud's...for you"?


42 posted on 03/31/2005 11:21:07 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Dasaji

THIS IS THE MOST SICK TWISTED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!

Excerpts from 'Litigation as Spiritual Practice' by George Felos.


"Felos visits Mrs. Browning for the first time. Browning, who was radically debilitated by a stroke, was a resident of a nursing home for more than a year and one-half when Mrs. Herbert, her cousin and caregiver, sought to have the feeding tube removed, honoring Mrs. Browning living will.

He writes of his meeting, including a “soul-speak” conversation: “‘Mrs. Browning, do you want to die? … Do you want to die?’—I near shouted as I continued to peer into her pools of strikingly beautiful but incognizant blue. It was so eerie. Her eyes were wide open and crystal clear, but instead of the warmth of lucidity, they burned with the ice of expressionlessness.” (63)

Felos notes that Browning was not in a coma and she was “more than vegetative, as she appeared able at times to interact with her environment in a rudimentary way.” (68)

Chapter Eight, “Soul-Speak”

“As I continued to stay beside Mrs. Browning at her nursing home bed, I felt my mind relax and my weight sink into the ground. I began to feel light-headed as I became more reposed. Although feeling like I could drift into sleep, I also experienced a sense of heightened awareness. As Mrs. Browning lay motionless before my gaze, I suddenly heard a loud, deep moan and scream and wondered if the nursing home personnel heard it and would respond to the unfortunate resident. In the next moment, as this cry of pain and torment continued, I realized it was Mrs. Browning. I felt the mid-section of my body open and noticed a strange quality to the light in the room. I sensed her soul in agony. As she screamed I heard her say, in confusion, ‘Why am I still here … why am I here?’ My soul touched hers and in some way I communicated that she was still locked in her body. I promised I would do everything in my power to gain the release her soul cried for. With that the screaming immediately stopped. I felt like I was back in my head again, the room resumed its normal appearance, and Mrs. Browning, as she had throughout this experience, lay silent.” (73)

“I knew without a doubt what had transpired was real and dispelled the thought as intellect’s attempt to assert its own version of reality.” (73)

As proof of the existence of “soul-speak,” as he calls it, Felos cites an incident with his wife years before concerning their yet-to-be-conceived, unborn son. At this time there was disagreement between he and his wife about whether they should have children. One day at his office, Felos was “hammerstuck. While almost seeing stars like a comic book character, I heard the soul of my yet-to-be-conceived child emphatically shout: ‘I’m ready to be born…will you stop this fooling around!’ … The voice I heard was distinctly male, and I beamed with the idea I had a son—or was going to have a son—or sorta had a son out there—or something like that.” (75) Later, when his wife told him of having a similar experience that day. “I had no doubt we were beneficiaries of the same soul transmission…” (76)

[Later in the book, Felos describes another “soul-speak” conversation with Mrs. Browning the evening before the trial began in which he argued for removing her feeding tube. (216)]

In addition to other implicit and explicit suggestions of Felos’ belief in reincarnation, he discusses his previous existences and/or future existences or lifetimes (106, 138).

In a discussion of the “cosmic law of cause and effect,” Felos argues that we create our own physical realities with our mind, but most people do not understand their own power to change their life’s circumstances – even including the ability to make a new dream car appear “out of the ether.” (178-179) He cites as an example of this power, the biblical account of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead because Jesus concentrated solely on that act. “Jesus knew without any shred of doubt whatsoever that through God all things were possible. That is why Lazarus rose, and that same knowing is also why the mountain did come to Mohammed.” (179, italics in original)"

THIS INSANE MAN NEEDS TO BE CERTIFIED. NOT AS A LAWYER, BUT AS A MANIAC!


43 posted on 03/31/2005 11:21:38 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: churchillbuff

Somewhere in the desert there's an empty snake hole, Felos should slither back into it.


44 posted on 03/31/2005 11:22:16 PM PST by grizzly84
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To: churchillbuff
"I'm sure you know that's an inaccurate question," Felos retorted. "Patients don't starve to death by removal of artificial nutrition and hydration ... ."

Gee Felos, what would you call it?

45 posted on 03/31/2005 11:23:39 PM PST by Mo1
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To: green pastures
No kidding. In fact, in the realm of top 10 despicable copulations of words, he owns all 10.

That's because his agenda, by far, outweighed any concern for Terri or human life in total for all that matters, thus, his keen ability to show his likening to Stalin for the avid historians.

46 posted on 03/31/2005 11:26:51 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Mo1
Gee Felos, what would you call it?

From I can deduce from him, he considers it blissful living.

47 posted on 03/31/2005 11:28:24 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Mo1

The Ultimate Fast?


48 posted on 03/31/2005 11:29:21 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: green pastures
He must be rolling over in his grave...

Spinning like a top perhaps?

49 posted on 03/31/2005 11:31:12 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: grizzly84
Somewhere in the desert there's an empty snake hole, Felos should slither back into it.

I've got a better idea.

Plug the hole.....

50 posted on 03/31/2005 11:34:00 PM PST by EGPWS
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