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Hindu fundamentalists injure Christians during screening of ‘The Passion of the Christ’
Asia News ^ | March 31, 2005 | Asia News

Posted on 04/01/2005 6:36:23 AM PST by wesley_windam-price

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A perfect example of religous tolerance in the "world's largest democracy".
1 posted on 04/01/2005 6:36:25 AM PST by wesley_windam-price
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To: wesley_windam-price

Well, at least they are bombing churches...


2 posted on 04/01/2005 6:39:00 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: wesley_windam-price

The ADL liberals in America did predict that the movie would produce violence.


4 posted on 04/01/2005 6:40:14 AM PST by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: wesley_windam-price

Hey Hindus, don't have a cow.


5 posted on 04/01/2005 6:42:13 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: wesley_windam-price

Welcome to FR. They hated Him first.


6 posted on 04/01/2005 6:44:59 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: wesley_windam-price
Must be a mistake here.
They had to Muslims. THEY are the only terrorists. /sarcasm
7 posted on 04/01/2005 6:48:29 AM PST by starfish923
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To: anniegetyourgun

"They hated Him first."

A very logical explaination.


8 posted on 04/01/2005 6:49:52 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan

It's not an original thought....but rather from the mouth of Jesus Himself. (John 15:18) I'm just repeated ultimate truth.


9 posted on 04/01/2005 6:55:08 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: wesley_windam-price

A gaggle of Hindu Fundamentalist is always up to no good.


10 posted on 04/01/2005 6:57:38 AM PST by amosmoses (Keep on Rockin in the Free World)
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To: amosmoses

are always- correction


11 posted on 04/01/2005 6:58:01 AM PST by amosmoses (Keep on Rockin in the Free World)
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To: wesley_windam-price

Anyone else starting to think we need Christian paramilitary wings? I mean, everyone else seems to have them. (/sarcasm off)


12 posted on 04/01/2005 6:59:37 AM PST by Grn_Lantern (Let's go to work...)
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To: agere_contra

LOL!!! NICE!

Apparently a Cow is sacred, but a Christian is, less than a cow. And why do they pick on the chickens?


13 posted on 04/01/2005 6:59:43 AM PST by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: starfish923
India has endured many things its history. The Muslims concurring and forcing the conversion of millions to Islam. The British occupation and treatment of the natives as second class. As a reaction to this some militant nationalists are asserting themselves and even perhaps "conserving" their heritage?

No defense to intolerance or violence, but the above can simply shed a little light on India's militant nationalists. We have militant people in this country who are defending our heritage by opposing Mexicans flooding into our South West, and opposing teaching Spanish for fear of drowning the English language. Having said so, I am not giving an excuse to the militant Indians, I am simply thinking the Indians cannot possibly be as barbaric as the Muslims. The Muslims worldwide treat minorities like crap.

14 posted on 04/01/2005 7:03:21 AM PST by conservlib
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To: Grn_Lantern
Anyone else starting to think we need Christian paramilitary wings?

"... he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. " Luke 22:36

15 posted on 04/01/2005 7:13:35 AM PST by PAR35
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To: conservlib
We have militant people in this country who are defending our heritage by opposing Mexicans flooding into our South West, and opposing teaching Spanish for fear of drowning the English language. Having said so, I am not giving an excuse to the militant Indians, I am simply thinking the Indians cannot possibly be as barbaric as the Muslims.

There is a difference between i) peaceful border patrols and protests and ii) beating people up.

16 posted on 04/01/2005 7:14:47 AM PST by wesley_windam-price
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"...the Indians cannot possibly be as barbaric as the Muslims..."

All the white settlers who were enslaved or raped, scalped and butchered in the 1700s and 1800s would probably disagree with you on that point.


17 posted on 04/01/2005 7:21:06 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: starfish923

No , muslims would have loped off some heads and raped the women and boys. This sounds like a isolated incident in a country of a few hundred million that was was more of a fight or scuffle then anything else.


18 posted on 04/01/2005 7:25:02 AM PST by winodog
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To: conservlib

There have been Christians in India for about 2000 years.


19 posted on 04/01/2005 7:27:29 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: wesley_windam-price

Seems Christians are not the only ones being attacked for trying to convert people to their faith...

http://www.christiantoday.com/news/sasia/175.htm


20 posted on 04/01/2005 7:30:32 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: conservlib
I know about Indian history; don't need the little lecture.
I was being a smart aleck but I sure pushed YOUR button. I didn't mean to. I really don't care about India or Hindus. They have made their own history, all by themselves and will continue to do so.
The British bought their way in, out-snootied the ultra class snoots in India, never controlled all of India, did some good, some harm and got out of there at the end of WWII. They are a BLIP in India's history.

The Hindus and Muslims ripped their own country in two. The poorest and lowest castes tended to Islam because Islam saw equality in humans. Islam conquered by force, but if the caste system hadn't been imported by those ancient Vedic conquerors, India still might be the huge subcontinent it was 60 years ago, WITHOUT any Islam that mattered. Just a thought.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with nationalism or religious fundamentalism. The former binds a nation together and promotes ITS interests. The latter is just one group's belief -- and there's nothing wrong with that either.
Militants, however, are a pain in the rear in all cases and in all societies. Hanoi Jane Fonda was one. She finally grew up but did MUCH damage while she was being a militant asshole.

21 posted on 04/01/2005 7:31:02 AM PST by starfish923
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; sukhoi-30mki; wesley_windam-price; conservlib; NormB

I think the 'Indians' referred to here are the ones from India, not America.

And does no one here know of Christian 'militants' in India's north-east?

This may not be a credible source, but here's a link I found on Googe®

http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/shamolimitra/riactine.html


Rising Islamic And Christian Terrorism In North East

The North Eastern States of India, which have been categorically deprived of significant development during last few decades of Congress Rule, are now facing a new kind of danger. Recent upsurge of Islamic and Church-funded terrorism has given birth to possible havoc in the North eastern states. Especially Assam and Tripura have become the main victims of this kind of religious extremism and widespread terrorism.

Recently PTI published that After its failure in Kargil, Pakistan is now attempting to separate the entire northeast from the rest of India by cutting off the 'Chicken's Neck' area between northern Bengal and Assam. The task of chopping off the Chicken's Neck portion has been assigned to the Inter Services Intelligence and has been planned along the lines of the Kargil operation. It is being fully supported covertly by the Pakistani army.

The Chicken's Neck area, a narrow alley between Srirampur in Assam and New Jalpaiguri in north Bengal, connects the northeast with the rest of the country. Pakistan plans to control the area which would make it easier for them to cut off the entire northeast and also spread terrorism in other parts of India. It has been reported that to execute the operation, about 24 active Islamic fundamentalist groups have been formed in Bangladesh, Nepal and India. These groups have been trained on the pattern of the Lashkar-i-Tayyaba and Taliban militia.

Some of these terrorist groups are known as Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA), Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam (MULFA), People's Liberation Front (PLF), International Liberation Army (ILA), Muslim Security Force (MSF), Liberation of Islamic Tiger Force (LITF), Muslim Security Council of Assam (MSCA), United Liberation Militia of Assam (ULMA), Minority Peoples Action Committee (MPAC), Muslim Volunteers Force (MVF), Mujahid Vahini and Jubo Command. Many of these organizations have active connection with Kashmiri Islamic terrorist organizations and enjoy financial and moral support from International Islamic fanatics like Osama Bin laden.

Assam has witnessed a sharp increase in Islamic Terrorism in last two years. On numerous occasions, Muslim fundamentalist leaders were arrested by Indian Police on account of promoting active terrorism in the state. On September 12, 98 a top-ranking leader of the All-India Muslim liberation Front (AIMLF) was arrested in Assam. The police apprehended the terrorist, Kamrul Haque Barbhuyan quite accidentally at the Jorhat railway station on September 3 for travelling without a ticket. A through checking of his belongings led to the recovery of a large number of incriminating documents including propaganda literature of the AIMLF, following which he was brought to Guwahati, where he is still under interrogation. Police reports have even linked Barbhuyan to the murder of cassette king Gulshan Kumar, as also to the serial blasts of Mumbai of 1993. The police also said that the ISI was sending batches of trainers to Assam through the porous borders to motivate Muslim youths. Some Muslim youths of Assam have also undergone training in arms in Manipur, where one or two Islamic militant groups are active.

Soon after that incident, Union Minister Lal Krishna Advani released a white paper, which detailed the grand plan of ISI in Assam. Among other things, it pointed out that the ISI wanted to use infiltrators from Bangladesh to destabilize the North East. It also provided sanctuary to Punjab terrorists in Pakistan to revive militancy there. In pursuance of its objectives, the ISI wanted to spread tentacles of terrorism not only in Jammu and Kashmir but also in Punjab, Assam and Nagaland by carrying out subversive propaganda on Islamic fundamentalist and communal lines. Today Government believes that Assam about 40-lakh illegal Bangladeshi Muslims are living in Assam alone.

Patterns of Islamic Terrorism and revealed facts about ISI's plan make it very clear that Pakistan will concentrate on North Eastern States of India in near future and will try its best to spread the same kind of mayhem and destruction that Kashmir has been witnessing for last two decades. It appears even Chief Minister of Assam has started to realize it and asked Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee to immediately initiate measures to solve the problem of terrorism in the state. Mahanta informed the Prime Minister about militant activities and steps so far taken by the state to curb militancy. The Prime Minister assured full cooperation to solve problems of the state.

In a separate incident, outlawed terrorists belonging to All Tripura Tiger Force in Tripura shot dead 17 people, including two women, injured 11 and abducted four others at Panchabati in West Tripura on November 15. The police said that the terrorists were equipped with sophisticated weapons. Suddenly the terrorists rained bullets on the people, killing seven on the spot. Several others suffered injuries, of which 10 succumbed in two government hospitals. Eleven people, most of them critical, were being treated at the G B Hospital.

It was reported that combing operations to nab the militants had been launched by the Border Security Force, Central Reserve Police Force, Assam Rifles, Tripura State Rifles and state police. The BSF had been asked to tighten vigil along the Indo-Bangla border to prevent the terrorists from crossing the border. Although Chief Minister Manik Sarker of Tripura asked the police and civil officials to make all efforts to nab the militants, earlier incidents show that the Communist Government of Tripura and Catholic Church of North East have direct connection with the terrorists belonging to All Tripura Tiger Force. The Congress and the Bharatiya Janata Party have demanded the resignation of the CPI-M-led Left Front government for their failure to curb militancy.


22 posted on 04/01/2005 7:34:25 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: winodog
No , muslims would have loped off some heads and raped the women and boys.
If you think that the Hindus didn't do that too, to the Muslims, then you just don't know Indian history. Shows you don't know human nature either. Just shows your hatred of Muslims. Both Hindus and Muslims USUALLY reserved their fanaticism for each other. There were simply too few Christians to matter and the Christians USUALLY kept a very low profile.

This sounds like a isolated incident in a country of a few hundred million that was was more of a fight or scuffle then anything else.
Agreed. These "scuffles" sometimes DO stay at that level. Let's hope they do here.
India isn't a "few hundred million"; it has ONE BILLION people.

23 posted on 04/01/2005 7:41:52 AM PST by starfish923
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; sukhoi-30mki; wesley_windam-price; conservlib; NormB

Another interesting one. I must warn you though, keep your bucket of salt handy, because I can't say anything about the credibility of this article, just as I have nothing to say about the credibility of the original article about Christians being attacked in a movie theatre.

Sukhoi-30mki(a Freeper) lives near the area, and so he may be in a better position to keep us informed.

Anyway, here goes:

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0900/81.html


Hindu hard-liners to counter Christian militants in NE
Author:
Publication: Gomantak Times
Date: September 19, 2000
A hard-line Hindu group with close links to Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee’s BJP party vowed Monday it would “not tolerate” attacks on Hindu temples by Christian guerrillas in India’s northeast. The Hindu Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP - World Hindu Forum), said it would prevent separatist militants from the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), targeting Hindu temples and priests in the region.

“We have decided to form a religion protection committee to save Hinduism from the onslaught of the pro-Christian NLFT,” Sitaram Agarwal, general secretary of the VHP, said.

“We will not tolerate interference with our religious freedom.” Agarwal said the VHP’s religion Protection committee had already enlisted local Hindu villagers to guard temples and was mobilising public opinion against the separatist rebels.

“Despite repeated pleas, the government has not provided security to the Hindu population against militant attacks. The religion protection committee will be an alternative security arrangement for the People,” said Agarwal.

The VHP alleged that in the last fortnight NLFT militants had killed a Hindu priest in Tripura state, and warned people against celebrating the biggest Hindu festival in the region, Durga Puja, in October. “The militants backed by Baptist missionaries have threatened to close down several of our temples in Tripura and we consider this a direct threat to Hinduism,” Agarwal said. Christians make up a little over 2 percent of Tripura’s 2.46 million population.

The NLFT, a pro-Christian group fighting for an independent homeland in the state has been accused of intimidating tribal Hindus into converting to Christianity. Christians make up roughly two percent of India’s’ one billion predominantly Hindu population.

Christians say attacks on churches, hospices, missionary run schools and facilities have increased since Vajpayee’s BJP Party took Power in late 1998.

However, radical Hindu groups such as the VHP accuse Christian missionaries of forcibly converting poor Hindus in rural areas - a charge Church leaders strongly deny.


24 posted on 04/01/2005 7:44:11 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: wesley_windam-price

Hindu's are very peace loving. This could never happen.


25 posted on 04/01/2005 7:44:59 AM PST by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: starfish923

So one incident among a billion people keeps the relativity factor on equal terms?


26 posted on 04/01/2005 7:45:23 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
So one incident among a billion people keeps the relativity factor on equal terms?

Did I SAY that?

27 posted on 04/01/2005 7:48:00 AM PST by starfish923
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To: starfish923

Oh no no, I'm just asking. I mean, among a billion plus people, such incidents form a tiny fraction, doesn't it? And it is not like as if the state machinery is involved in propagating this terror. IIRC, the Indian state in question, Kerala, has a Christian Chief Minister (equivalent to a US state governor), in an 80% Hindu state.

Now imagine this happening in a Muslim country.


28 posted on 04/01/2005 7:52:18 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: starfish923
because Islam saw equality in humans

Except for women, of course.
29 posted on 04/01/2005 7:54:02 AM PST by BJClinton
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To: BJClinton

And 'infidels'.


30 posted on 04/01/2005 7:55:56 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: wesley_windam-price

Separation of church and state must stay if India is to thrive as a democracy.


31 posted on 04/01/2005 7:58:00 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: BJClinton
because Islam saw equality in humans
Except for women, of course.

In Hinduism women have even a lower status.
To be finally SAVED one must be male. Even a female saint has ONE more reincarnation to go through -- she must come back as a MALE for final redemption.

Brahman women ARE higher than men and women of lower castes but even Indira Ghandi, a Brahman, has to come back as ANY male to be "saved." Islam gives everyone, even women, an equal shot at equality at salvation -- like Christianity.

32 posted on 04/01/2005 7:59:30 AM PST by starfish923
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To: followerofchrist

It will, Indians booted out the Hindu 'nationalists' in their last general election. The new government is headed by a Christian and a Sikh, members of India's two religious minorities. And they seem to be doing a good job.


33 posted on 04/01/2005 8:00:20 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Grn_Lantern

No paramilitary wing--Christianity is based on meekness. That's what separates us from the militants.


34 posted on 04/01/2005 8:00:32 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: starfish923
Islam gives everyone, even women, an equal shot at equality at salvation

Intersting, so do women martyrs get 72 virgins? Where do these virgins come from?
35 posted on 04/01/2005 8:03:46 AM PST by BJClinton
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To: followerofchrist

Oops, no separation here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/nlft.htm


National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
Tripura
References
National Liberation Front of Tripura
National Liberation Front of Tripura












The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was formed in December 1989 for the purpose of seceding from India in order to create an independent Christian fundamentalist state of Tripura. The group was banned under the Unlawful Activies Prevention Act of 1967.

The headquarters of NLFT is located in the Khagrachari district of Bangladesh, about 40-45 km southeast of Simanapur.

In Tripura a systematic surrender of arms by a faction of NLFT insurgents and NLFT fringe groups is due to the increased security pressure and to infighting within NLFT insurgent ranks. Since 2000 a few hundred militants have surrendered in small groups to the security forces, handing in their weapons. The NLFT leadership engaged in peace talks with Mizoram Chief Zoramthanga in April 2001, however the NLFT has not promised acceptance of any future peace process.

The NLFT has set up a number of camps in Bangladesh's Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT), in the Sylhet, Maulavi Bazar, Habiganj and Comilla regions. NLFT also has ties with Pakistan’s external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).


36 posted on 04/01/2005 8:04:19 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Oh no no, I'm just asking. I mean, among a billion plus people, such incidents form a tiny fraction, doesn't it? And it is not like as if the state machinery is involved in propagating this terror. IIRC, the Indian state in question, Kerala, has a Christian Chief Minister (equivalent to a US state governor), in an 80% Hindu state.

Agreed. Sounds like media hype.
The few Christians there are in India tend to cluster in the south -- where the Portuguese came and converted some Hindus.
Of course, this story WAS put here and we ARE responding....the ole carrot and stick routine. :o)

37 posted on 04/01/2005 8:08:32 AM PST by starfish923
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Inersting, so do women martyrs get 72 virgins? Where do these virgins come from?

Hooter's.

38 posted on 04/01/2005 8:09:53 AM PST by starfish923
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To: wesley_windam-price
A perfect example of religous tolerance in the "world's largest democracy".

A small group of thugs beats up people and you take this an example of India's religious intolerance?

39 posted on 04/01/2005 8:11:40 AM PST by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: starfish923

Yes. We must ensure things are fair and balanced('TM'?).

Or else, our enemies will use the falsities against us.


40 posted on 04/01/2005 8:20:43 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Oh, I recognize it. Not of this world, world hated your master, so of course it will hate you.

Still shocks me, though.


41 posted on 04/01/2005 8:25:50 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: CarrotAndStick

Fundamentalism in ANY religion produces intolerance.


42 posted on 04/01/2005 8:46:53 AM PST by conservlib
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To: CarrotAndStick
However, radical Hindu groups such as the VHP accuse Christian missionaries of forcibly converting poor Hindus in rural areas - a charge Church leaders strongly deny

Cannot believe such thing. Yes there are intolerant closed minded Christians, but no I cannot believe a Christian preaching love of all, and forcing people to convert. Perhaps making it attractive to convert by providing financial aids.

43 posted on 04/01/2005 8:50:21 AM PST by conservlib
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To: conservlib

I don't know, I really cannot say. I think anyone is capable of violence, and I hate it especially when it is done using the garb of religion. I wouldn't want to share the guilt of absolving someone else's act of violence.


44 posted on 04/01/2005 8:52:52 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Grn_Lantern
Anyone else starting to think we need Christian paramilitary wings?

Well, the Serbs tried that, and look what it got them. ;)

45 posted on 04/01/2005 8:54:20 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: starfish923
Shows you don't know human nature either. Just shows your hatred of Muslims. Both Hindus and Muslims USUALLY reserved their fanaticism for each other.

Hate has such a strong meaning in todays society. I have a 1864 Websters that describes hate as : extreme dislike. So I do have a extreme dislike for muslims. And I understand that there might be some decent muslims. I wonder why they dont speak up. Could it be because they will do as the cult of the moon god tells them to do just when it is convienant for them?

46 posted on 04/01/2005 8:55:46 AM PST by winodog
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To: starfish923

I cannot add to what you have said. You appear to know more about India than I do. You make good points.


47 posted on 04/01/2005 8:57:09 AM PST by conservlib
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To: BJClinton

Good point. Islam lies to the potential converts. For black Americans they tell them that Christianity is White man religion. For women in India they tell them that Islam is foe EQUALITY? Common people!


48 posted on 04/01/2005 9:00:01 AM PST by conservlib
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To: winodog

I think the problem in Islam is the engrained acts of violence that Muslims must purport toward 'infidels'. As long as these verses remain in the Quran, reform will be impossible in Islam. That being said, there are indeed a lot of moderate Muslims. But even among these, when an urge comes in them to go deeper into the religion, they also tend to go violent, simply because of the written edicts in the Quran, which describe procedures to be carried out to 'infidels' with great detail.


49 posted on 04/01/2005 9:01:20 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
You are correct. However, missionaries are typically people who are so much into Christianity. So by definition, they would be so much into loving their neighbors? No?
50 posted on 04/01/2005 9:02:55 AM PST by conservlib
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