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Hindu fundamentalists injure Christians during screening of ‘The Passion of the Christ’
Asia News ^ | March 31, 2005 | Asia News

Posted on 04/01/2005 6:36:23 AM PST by wesley_windam-price

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To: conservlib

In ways, yes. But you must not forget, 'missionaries' can come in various colours. For example, in India, there is a rift that exists between the Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox sects of Christianity. And missionaries of each sect try to outwin the other in gaining converts. I am aware that Catholics don't send their kids to Protestant schools and vice-versa. Hence the baggage.


However, true missionaries are always stay this.


51 posted on 04/01/2005 9:08:45 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I am aware that Catholics don't send their kids to Protestant schools and vice-versa

Well that is absolutely correct. Orthodox tends to protect their turf, and so are Catholic, and even Protestant for that matter. Protestant, however, are typically the intruders in most of these countries, because they are the new comers and they seek market share. In the US, for example Protestants fight hard to keep their market share from getting eroded to the Mormons, and other new sects.

Religions, in general is very easily resembles market share protection or sport club fanatic supports. Don't you think?

52 posted on 04/01/2005 9:18:36 AM PST by conservlib
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To: conservlib

As long as religion is kept as a strictly private issue, problems don't turn up normally.

As long as it remains a popularity sport, violence will follow.

But exceptions may be there.


53 posted on 04/01/2005 9:21:32 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Actually Kerala has only around 55% Hindus.Christians & Muslims compose close to 45%(near equal ratio).


54 posted on 04/01/2005 9:29:23 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: conservlib; CarrotAndStick

IF you see the (bitter) rivalry between opposing sections of India's oldest Eastern Orthodox groups,you will think that the usual Catholic-protestant tiff is child's play.One group owes alliegiance to the Patriach at Antioch,while a breakaway faction has now installed a 'Metropolitan' based in India as their head.There have been more than 1 violent clash & court disputes for control of massive wealth owned by the community.Come to think of it,many of these folks are descendents of Christians who came from Syria ages ago!!


55 posted on 04/01/2005 9:33:18 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yes, I realised that. It's 60% Hindu.

http://www.pbs.org/hiddenindia/religion/


56 posted on 04/01/2005 9:33:22 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yes, I know one Orthodox couple from Kerala, who broke off relations with their son because he married a Catholic.

Some of the Orthodox members show a lot of disdain and look down upon the Catholics and Protestants. They tend to believe they are 'superior' because they were Christians for more than 1000 years.

And to talk about Ireland, that's another story altogether.



57 posted on 04/01/2005 9:37:08 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: conservlib

"Fundamentalism in ANY religion produces intolerance."

I don't know about that. I am a fundamentalist Christian, as in I believe what the Bible says -- and I don't pick and choose the parts I agree with (something many "fundamentalists" do).

I truly respect a person's free will. People have a right to be whatever religion (or no religion) they please. It's a very Biblical concept; God does not force Himself on you.

I am sad, however, that people don't know and/or reject Christ and I may pray for them, and I may try to tell them about Christianity.

And yes, I think there is a pretty good chance that non-Christians are going to burn in Hell. (Although I've heard arguments that Christ's sacrifice was so great it saves everyone; nice thought, and I hope they are right, but I don't think so.)

That does not mean I think they are bad people. Some of the most horrid, nasty, people I know are Christians. Some of the best people I knwo are not Christians. But that's not the issue --- the issue is whether one falls short of being "sinless" and there is only one way I know of to do that.

So, am I intolerant? I don't think so.


58 posted on 04/01/2005 10:26:44 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: BJClinton

"Intersting, so do women martyrs get 72 virgins? Where do these virgins come from?"

Massachussets.


59 posted on 04/01/2005 10:28:09 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: BJClinton
Intersting, so do women martyrs get 72 virgins?

No, they get 72 credit cards.

60 posted on 04/01/2005 10:36:12 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: conservlib
Religions, in general is very easily resembles market share protection or sport club fanatic supports. Don't you think?

In a way, yes. But religions come and go. People drop one religion and pick up another that seems more credible. Look at history.

61 posted on 04/01/2005 10:39:03 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

LOL. Excellent.


62 posted on 04/01/2005 11:26:02 AM PST by BJClinton
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To: MeanWestTexan
My dearest friend is a born again fundamentalist. She speaks negatively of catholics, and insists that through "grace" a person will go to heaven, and not because a person was good towards others? I say that stuff is like a parrot that regurgitate whatever the minister screams about in church.

The word grace, born again, accepting Jesus as "personal" savior, are all like code words for fundamentalists to assert themselves as different from other Christians. For me, a person who calls himself Christian, meaning believing in Jesus Christ is good enough definition for me. If that person go to "confession" or Take "communion", fast forty days before Easter, CONFESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR, declare that Jesus came to America to start the later day saints, or goes door to door to ask people to worship JEHOVAH? We are all Christians, and should stay united regardless of the foolish tradition or dogma the religious "LEADERS" attempt to drill in us to make us feel good that we are superiors.

64 posted on 04/01/2005 6:10:10 PM PST by conservlib
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I am familiar with the rivalry. As missionaries move into a third world country, they are typically armed with lots of cash. They start schools, and hospitals, and give away food. So, for example, if we say a Baptist missionary went to Syria (a poor country), he is not going to be able to preach to Muslims, because they will kill him. So he goes to STEAL the Catholic, or the Orthodox faithfuls. That creates a turf battle. Like any club that fights to keep its fan base, and avoid losing market share at any cost.
65 posted on 04/01/2005 6:16:48 PM PST by conservlib
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To: starfish923
The British bought their way in, out-snootied the ultra class snoots in India, never controlled all of India, did some good, some harm and got out of there at the end of WWII. They are a BLIP in India's history.

That's right--just a BLIP. The British only left the Indians with a democratic form of government--the only one in that part of the world. And the English common law which the Indian law courts are modeled after. And a top-rate university system, if only for upper-class Indians. And a legacy of the English language for communication in a country with over 300 different languages. And that is why when you call Dell Computer's help desk, you get someone in India on the other end of the line.

Ya, just a BLIP.

66 posted on 04/01/2005 6:30:54 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

Although I agree with your sarcasm, I must point out that democracy in India was not a 'one-way' affair, like the British "handing" it down in a platter. Much more has to do with the indigenous mass movement that began there. The British left because they were terribly weakened to control such a large, politically active society. Otherwise, the British should have left all their colonial possessions of the time, viz., South Africa, Rhodesia, et al at the same time. It was not as if divine virtue made the British leave India. The 'Keep it Real' factor did them in.

And one more thing to remember, about the nature of the people in a country being an important factor in deciding whether democracy can thrive in a society or not, let's look at the example from Asia itself. Pakistan and India share the same heritage, poverty and past. When the British had to leave the region, both declared themselves democracies. However, if the British were so 'responsible' in India's fate as a democracy, then why did Pakistan fail as one, even though they had the same 'overlords', ruling exactly the same way, and for the same period?


67 posted on 04/01/2005 6:51:16 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I must point out that democracy in India was not a 'one-way' affair

Democracy isn't a one-way affair. It is a devolution of power among many people who have the right to disagree, argue, and reach compromises. The American political system is not identical to Turkey, or France, or Japan, but all are democracies. But what they share in common is consensual government.

And one more thing to remember, about the nature of the people in a country being an important factor in deciding whether democracy can thrive in a society or not

All humans share the same nature. Indians don't have a different human nature than the English, the Chinese, or the Swedes. You are confusing culture with human nature.

However, if the British were so 'responsible' in India's fate as a democracy, then why did Pakistan fail as one, even though they had the same 'overlords', ruling exactly the same way, and for the same period?

You might as well ask why after the French Revolution, France went on to be an empire under a dictator named Napolean, later restored the Monarchy, only to go back to being a democracy. What is it now, the fifth Republic? I don't know of any magic incantation that determines how democracy develops in a particular country. The only thing that history tells me that democracies are forged in fire and blood.

68 posted on 04/01/2005 7:40:19 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

I agree. And yes, I misplaced 'nature' for 'culture'.


69 posted on 04/01/2005 7:51:02 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: stripes1776
The only thing that history tells me that democracies are forged in fire and blood.

Thanks. That's a really nice line. And very true too.

70 posted on 04/01/2005 7:52:41 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: winodog
Hate has such a strong meaning in todays society. I have a 1864 Websters that describes hate as : extreme dislike. So I do have a extreme dislike for muslims. And I understand that there might be some decent muslims. I wonder why they dont speak up. Could it be because they will do as the cult of the moon god tells them to do just when it is convienant for them?

You dislike Muslims. You DO realize that there are a billion of them. That's a lot of hate to have in you. Perhaps it makes you comfortable. Do you hate the Muslim women, children and old folks? Do you just hate all the Muslim men over 16 and under, what, 40? 35?
Perhaps your cult of hate can decide who is to be hated and who passes your standards of decency.
You wouldn't be Christian, of course. Your hatred of a people solely because of their religion is very un-Christian, isn't it?
Oh well. No one's perfect. Me included. I shouldn't razz you so; you have enough negativity on your plate already.
Peace be with you, son.

71 posted on 04/01/2005 8:53:56 PM PST by starfish923
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To: conservlib
I cannot add to what you have said. You appear to know more about India than I do. You make good points.

Thank you.

72 posted on 04/01/2005 8:55:10 PM PST by starfish923
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To: starfish923

I dont dislike them because of their religion. I dislike them because they kill innocent men, women and children everywhere they go.


73 posted on 04/01/2005 10:59:40 PM PST by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: wesley_windam-price

Luckily, anti-Christian violence in India is very small compared to, say, (pick any Muslim country).


74 posted on 04/01/2005 11:01:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (The government is going down the drain to authorize the foul murder of innocent people.)
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To: BJClinton

"Intersting, so do women martyrs get 72 virgins? Where do these virgins come from?"

They get to BE a "black-eyed houri" and serve the men, their viginity is eternally renewed. As a woman. this sounds rather painful, unromantic and unpleasant. I don't want to be a snot, but even in the Old Testament, virgins are given to men who pillage. The sexual fixation on virgins is universal.


75 posted on 04/02/2005 10:12:30 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: CarrotAndStick

"It will, Indians booted out the Hindu 'nationalists' in their last general election. The new government is headed by a Christian and a Sikh, members of India's two religious minorities. And they seem to be doing a good job."

Do these "nationalists" wonder why they aren't being persecuted?


76 posted on 04/02/2005 10:14:45 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

I didn't understand what you asked me.


77 posted on 04/02/2005 11:24:43 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: BJClinton

because Islam saw equality in humans

Except for women, of course.

Don't forget non-muslims.


78 posted on 04/02/2005 12:55:27 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Are you sure ? I thought muslims and christians "together" constituted a majority in Kerala. Close to 55% that is.


79 posted on 04/02/2005 5:15:28 PM PST by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: biblewonk; wesley_windam-price; starfish923; 7.62 x 51mm; sukhoi-30mki; conservlib; NormB; ...
Of course this lone deplorable episode doesnt reflect India's secular culture..

That episode says as much about the religious tolerance of Indian society as would the deaths of 10-12 people who were shot dead in the south western part of USofA, just after 9-11, because they were wearing turbans ;)

Of course, there are fanatics all over the world and Indians are no ultra-saintly people just because they won their independence in a non-violent way and dont seem to engage in wars all the time, unless being compelled to.

But I do agree that the world's largest democracy needs to have a higher standard for judgement of its secular credentials, and I bet its trying hard.. by giving a better representation to its minorities in governing the nation, than any other country on this planet.

(no offense meant but) isnt it a fact that few Americans might endorse a black or a jewish person to rule their country ? Is it because many religious Christians think of non-christians as un-saved "heathens" who will burn in hell ? ;)

From my experience and probably many fellow Indians would attest to this, Indian Hindus get along well with people of most religions, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists. For example, the country wouldnt mind a local born Christian or a Sikh as their prime minister, its not uncommon for Hindus to go to their Christian friends' churches and celebrate Xmas with them, for instance.

Hindus dont have bad notions about christians or their religion as such, though some of them are wary of christian missionaries since they do alter local demographies.. but if you ask me how peer-to-peer relations are between Oridnary Hindus and ordinary church going christian people, they couldnt be better.. Afterall, most Indian born Christians are as patriotic as their Hindu or Sikh brothers and wouldnt flinch to defend their nation, if need be. Many of my Indian christian friends have their brothers or dads in Indian Air force, and they are quite patriotic. Infact, those who came to US to study dont buy Pakistani made rice, just like us (even I tried their rice once or twice, but most of my Indian christian friends never did) ;)

The problem Hindus have with muslims is cultural and also got something to do with the fact that historically, there is too much bad blood between the two faiths..

But you gotta keep this in mind : the concept of India in itself was an attempt to heal those wounds inflicted by historical animosities between Hindus and Muslims.

And even Muslim integration into Indian mainstream has already begun, though many might disagree with me.. afterall, its a fact that none of India's 150 million plus muslims have joined al-qaeda or any anti-American terrorist group (though I bet there are some pockets where Muslims do seem a bit anti-US, but thats nothing compared to how anti-Americanism is entrenched in Pakistani culture).

Overall, India is "alrite" on the tolerance aspect, it could be better, but atleast the mainstream culture doesnt accept fanaticism blindly. There are some right wing fanatics or left wing fanatics but they dont damage credibility of Indian secular character as such ;) atleast not too much.

to Meanwest Texan : Do you think I'm gonna burn in hell because I dont belong to your faith ? :(

80 posted on 04/02/2005 6:03:48 PM PST by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Thanks for the link


81 posted on 04/02/2005 6:05:46 PM PST by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: desidude_in_us

Nope,some resources put the Hindu: minority ratio at close to 55:45,others at around 60:40.That being said,Id shave off around 4% of Christians & 10% of Hindus from either list given the highly visible presence of "rationalism" in Kerala!!!


82 posted on 04/02/2005 11:23:39 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: desidude_in_us
(no offense meant but) isnt it a fact that few Americans might endorse a black or a jewish person to rule their country ? Is it because many religious Christians think of non-christians as un-saved "heathens" who will burn in hell ? ;)

Good observation. You must recognize for a fact that the US was built historically on lots of racist dogma, and its population was indoctrinated with racism from childhood. As the Europeans came to this land, they were eager to fight the natives and convert them to Christianity. Then they imported the blacks from Africa to the dirty work. Racism as an integral part of the US consciousness did not become a politically incorrect until the sixties. It is going to take a long time to expunge out all remnant of racism from the new generation of Americans.

From my experience and probably many fellow Indians would attest to this, Indian Hindus get along well with people of most religions, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists. For example, the country wouldnt mind a local born Christian or a Sikh as their prime minister, its not uncommon for Hindus to go to their Christian friends' churches and celebrate Xmas with them, for instance.

I have limited interaction with Indians, but I observed when the India Pakistan conflict flared up last year, the name of the Indian defense mister was mentioned to be George Fernandez (obviously a Christian name)or something like that. That tells me a volume about the secular, and tolerance of the Indian society. Pakistan does not have a Christian in high cabinet post, so are MOST of the Muslim nations. Egypt for example, with 10% Christians has less than 1% in high government posts. I want to guess India does not have 10% Christians. The US has 10 % Blacks, 12% Hispanics, 2% Jewish, and illustrates how tolerant secular countries should be. In the US more than 10% of its big cities are governed by black mayors. The cabinet and high ranking positions in the government has more than 2% Jewish, 10% blacks. The Latinos, however, need more organization to attain same parity with other minorities in the US.

83 posted on 04/03/2005 10:47:52 AM PDT by conservlib
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To: wesley_windam-price

Mel Gibson for Governor!


84 posted on 04/03/2005 10:49:07 AM PDT by mowkeka
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To: conservlib

.... the name of the Indian defense mister was mentioned to be George Fernandez (obviously a Christian name)or something like that

And you know what ? He was appointed to that post by a Hindu Right wing Government.. and he gets elected from a province where almost 80% of voters are Hindu.

85 posted on 04/03/2005 11:48:32 AM PDT by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: mowkeka
I love the tag line in your profile :)

Its a rip off of what some leftist guy said :

"If you arent a communist at 16, you have no heart and a socialist at 60, no soul.."

86 posted on 04/03/2005 11:53:02 AM PDT by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: conservlib

Well it's a proven fact that it is more difficult to integrate races than it is to integrate different social groups(like castes or religions who are essentially of the same racial stock).It's been visible everywhere-the US,Africa,South America.I really don't think it has anything to do with a racist dogma in the American psyche.For eg,even if every black,white & whoever else was very openminded & educated,it would be a big ask to expect them all to go hand in hand.

About George Fernandes,well he studied to be a priest till the 60s or so,but then became a socialist.Id be surprised if he believes in God!!.If you look at the percentage of Christians(2.5%) & Sikhs(about 2 percent) in India's total population & tally it with their respective numbers in the armed forces & government & other high positions,you would notice that they occupy far more positions when compared to other religions,even Hinduism.For eg,atleast 4 of India's navy chiefs were Christians & so were a handful of army & air chiefs.About Pakistan,well why bother about Christians,when a Shiite is treated like trash.Even Mohajirs(those Pakistans who came from India after partition) are treated were shabbily.The only exception to this is probably Musharraf himself,a Mohajjir from Delhi & you can thank the Pakistani army for it.In Pakistan all positions are monopolised by the Sunni Punjabis.


87 posted on 04/03/2005 11:54:10 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I love the details in your post. Thanks for the info. I think lots of Americans are not too familiar with India because during the cold war it was non allied, hence, Washington did not consider it a good friend. After 9/11, I am hoping that most of the American public will consider India as a close friend, they are our ally against Muslim terrorism.
88 posted on 04/03/2005 5:16:13 PM PDT by conservlib
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To: desidude_in_us
US, India & Israel are natural allies

Thanks, India is definitely a secular democracy.

89 posted on 04/03/2005 5:18:35 PM PDT by conservlib
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To: conservlib

US, India & Israel are natural allies

Thanks, India is definitely a secular democracy

Thanks, and my experience tells me that US is mostly a tolerant country too.

90 posted on 04/03/2005 10:35:09 PM PDT by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: Grn_Lantern
Anyone else starting to think we need Christian paramilitary wings? I mean, everyone else seems to have them. (/sarcasm off)

We had them. They were called Crusaders.

91 posted on 04/03/2005 10:37:58 PM PDT by murphE (This morning, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, condescended to dwell within me.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
... atleast 4 of India's navy chiefs were Christians & so were a handful of army & air chiefs.

About Pakistan,well why bother about Christians,when a Shiite is treated like trash.

Yeah, but we have chosen to be a secular democracy unlike them.. they wanted to be a religious state.

And of course, growing up in such stifling bigoted environment, might induce fanatical tendencies in them.

92 posted on 04/03/2005 10:56:03 PM PDT by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: starfish923
In Hinduism women have even a lower status. To be finally SAVED one must be male.

You'd best inform Ramakrishna's followers, then. One of India's greatest saints, (probably in rank with Ramana Maharshi) and HE worshipped the Mother. She has many names and vast numbers of Hindus worship her.

93 posted on 04/03/2005 10:59:07 PM PDT by ARridgerunner
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To: conservlib

Wow. It sounds like your dear friend has an odd preacher who is twisting the scripture terribly --- plus, the whole worshipping "Jehovah" bit sounds like she may be a Jehovah's witness, not a Bible-believing Christian (not necessarily, but it's an odd word choice).

Re: "Saved by Grace." Your friend is twisting a standard Christian belief. Your friend is correct that anyone who accepts Jesus as the Christ and basically asks to be forgiven is saved by that act. It's a free gift, essentially, and one must merely accept it. The recipient does nothing but acknowledge the gift. Hence, one is saved by "grace," rather than their own actions. (The "grace" language is from Paul --- used to explain why the Law is not needed to be with God.)

In sum, it is short-hand to state that no matter how hard we try, we cannot reach the level of sinlessness exemplified by Jesus, so going to Heaven is a gift.

But the whole concept that one is "better" than others because of this grace is flat-ass wrong. Being saved by grace is an acknowledgement of failure --- one cannot cut it without Jesus's help. I acknowledge that, myself.

Now, I do believe that accepting Jesus as my boss --- and trying to do what He said (and what I believe the Holy Spirit leads me to do) --- does make a person change --- eventually. (James --- half-brother of Jesus --- talks about how faith without works is dead.) In short, to me, because of this "free gift," my heart has been changed and I WANT to do what God wants me to do. Now, I don't succeed 95% of the time, but I am getting better --- with God's help.

The "born again" part is also technically correct -- but spun. I was taught this even in the Episcopal Church, which is hardly holy-roller. "Baptism" literally is accepting and joining Christ in death and being born --- this time without original sin --- as a new creation. Now, we proceed then to screw this new creation up to, but now we have help and a new boss --- and He promises to help us.

I agree the greater Christian church should not sweat the details of worship ---- Paul taked about just that in Romans (the issues there was circumcision) --- what mattered --- when it came down to the core --- was just what you said --- accepting Jesus.

If your friend read that point, she'd be a lot less judgmental about Roman Catholics. Sounds like she needs to spend some more time READING the Bible and less time THUMPING the Bible.


94 posted on 04/04/2005 6:41:31 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: desidude_in_us

"Do you think I'm gonna burn in hell because I dont belong to your faith ? :("

Well, I hope not. It would be awful and unfair. And opinions can differ. But I do know an absolute, 100%, certain way making sure that you won't burn.


95 posted on 04/04/2005 6:46:05 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan
Re: "Saved by Grace." Your friend is twisting a standard Christian belief. Your friend is correct that anyone who accepts Jesus as the Christ and basically asks to be forgiven is saved by that act. It's a free gift, essentially, and one must merely accept it. The recipient does nothing but acknowledge the gift. Hence, one is saved by "grace," rather than their own actions. (The "grace" language is from Paul --- used to explain why the Law is not needed to be with God.)

Now Jesus broke bread and said take eat this my body. He gave them wine to drink, saying this is my blood. Then he said do that in memory of me. All the evangelicals type rather not even mention this part of the bible, and focus on a few code words "accept Jesus as your personal savior"! That stuff does not make any sense as far as being a focus. All Christians, by definition "accept Jesus". Now as personal savior, is a different story. It is like asking sitting in a restaurant and claiming that this waiter is YOUR PERSONAL waiter. It is stupid. The waiter is waiting on a lot of people, and you are one. The same thing with Jesus, he came to save us all, and I am ONLY one. If he came to save me ONLY, and to hell with the rest of mankind, than I will accept that nonsensical term my PERSONAL savior.

The Catholic church had lots of excesses in the old days, and invited these protestant movement. However, the different sects of protestants now have lost focus on the real Christianity: that is love, and living life as Christ did, forgiving, and helping others.

96 posted on 04/04/2005 8:15:54 AM PDT by conservlib
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To: wesley_windam-price

Distressing news.


97 posted on 04/04/2005 8:17:36 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: conservlib

"[Recounting the Last Supper.] All the evangelicals type rather not even mention this part of the bible, and focus on a few code words "accept Jesus as your personal savior"! That stuff does not make any sense as far as being a focus . . "

?? "All" is a pretty big brush. Every (just as big a brush, I suppose) Bible Church I've ever seen take communion in remembrance of Christ, just as instructed.

The "personal savior" is also from Paul, and from Christ Himself, especially later in John --- talking about how we have the Holy Spirit as our "counselor."

It sounds like the "fundies" you are exposed to don't know their Bibles --- they're just wackos.

Don't judge all fundamentalists by them --- or by the loons one sees on TV.


98 posted on 04/04/2005 8:41:39 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan
Well, I hope not. It would be awful and unfair. And opinions can differ. But I do know an absolute, 100%, certain way making sure that you won't burn.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks :) Living in a small town in TX, I do find many people who are hell bent on showing me "the true way", mostly due to their good nature.

But like most technical people, am more interested in doing my own research and finding out the truth or not succumbing to pressures from religious people who want me to commit my rational thought to the whims of blind faith.

The good thing about Hinduism is, it is more friendly to scientists and technical people as such.. for eg, people who attain salvation can be (among many other paths) :

Gnana Yogis (knowledge and truth seekers)

Karma Yogis (conscientious workers)

Bhakta Yogis (spiritual disciplined folks)

So, I'm good, even though am not particularly religious.

99 posted on 04/04/2005 10:32:31 AM PDT by desidude_in_us (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: desidude_in_us

"Thanks for the offer, but no thanks."

Above all, the God of Abraham gives us free will.

I am quite confident that you are a good person.

For that reason, if you don't mind, I would still like to pray for you.


100 posted on 04/04/2005 12:19:00 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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