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Hindu fundamentalists injure Christians during screening of ‘The Passion of the Christ’
Asia News ^ | March 31, 2005 | Asia News

Posted on 04/01/2005 6:36:23 AM PST by wesley_windam-price

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To: conservlib
Religions, in general is very easily resembles market share protection or sport club fanatic supports. Don't you think?

In a way, yes. But religions come and go. People drop one religion and pick up another that seems more credible. Look at history.

61 posted on 04/01/2005 10:39:03 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

LOL. Excellent.


62 posted on 04/01/2005 11:26:02 AM PST by BJClinton
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To: MeanWestTexan
My dearest friend is a born again fundamentalist. She speaks negatively of catholics, and insists that through "grace" a person will go to heaven, and not because a person was good towards others? I say that stuff is like a parrot that regurgitate whatever the minister screams about in church.

The word grace, born again, accepting Jesus as "personal" savior, are all like code words for fundamentalists to assert themselves as different from other Christians. For me, a person who calls himself Christian, meaning believing in Jesus Christ is good enough definition for me. If that person go to "confession" or Take "communion", fast forty days before Easter, CONFESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR, declare that Jesus came to America to start the later day saints, or goes door to door to ask people to worship JEHOVAH? We are all Christians, and should stay united regardless of the foolish tradition or dogma the religious "LEADERS" attempt to drill in us to make us feel good that we are superiors.

64 posted on 04/01/2005 6:10:10 PM PST by conservlib
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I am familiar with the rivalry. As missionaries move into a third world country, they are typically armed with lots of cash. They start schools, and hospitals, and give away food. So, for example, if we say a Baptist missionary went to Syria (a poor country), he is not going to be able to preach to Muslims, because they will kill him. So he goes to STEAL the Catholic, or the Orthodox faithfuls. That creates a turf battle. Like any club that fights to keep its fan base, and avoid losing market share at any cost.
65 posted on 04/01/2005 6:16:48 PM PST by conservlib
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To: starfish923
The British bought their way in, out-snootied the ultra class snoots in India, never controlled all of India, did some good, some harm and got out of there at the end of WWII. They are a BLIP in India's history.

That's right--just a BLIP. The British only left the Indians with a democratic form of government--the only one in that part of the world. And the English common law which the Indian law courts are modeled after. And a top-rate university system, if only for upper-class Indians. And a legacy of the English language for communication in a country with over 300 different languages. And that is why when you call Dell Computer's help desk, you get someone in India on the other end of the line.

Ya, just a BLIP.

66 posted on 04/01/2005 6:30:54 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

Although I agree with your sarcasm, I must point out that democracy in India was not a 'one-way' affair, like the British "handing" it down in a platter. Much more has to do with the indigenous mass movement that began there. The British left because they were terribly weakened to control such a large, politically active society. Otherwise, the British should have left all their colonial possessions of the time, viz., South Africa, Rhodesia, et al at the same time. It was not as if divine virtue made the British leave India. The 'Keep it Real' factor did them in.

And one more thing to remember, about the nature of the people in a country being an important factor in deciding whether democracy can thrive in a society or not, let's look at the example from Asia itself. Pakistan and India share the same heritage, poverty and past. When the British had to leave the region, both declared themselves democracies. However, if the British were so 'responsible' in India's fate as a democracy, then why did Pakistan fail as one, even though they had the same 'overlords', ruling exactly the same way, and for the same period?


67 posted on 04/01/2005 6:51:16 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I must point out that democracy in India was not a 'one-way' affair

Democracy isn't a one-way affair. It is a devolution of power among many people who have the right to disagree, argue, and reach compromises. The American political system is not identical to Turkey, or France, or Japan, but all are democracies. But what they share in common is consensual government.

And one more thing to remember, about the nature of the people in a country being an important factor in deciding whether democracy can thrive in a society or not

All humans share the same nature. Indians don't have a different human nature than the English, the Chinese, or the Swedes. You are confusing culture with human nature.

However, if the British were so 'responsible' in India's fate as a democracy, then why did Pakistan fail as one, even though they had the same 'overlords', ruling exactly the same way, and for the same period?

You might as well ask why after the French Revolution, France went on to be an empire under a dictator named Napolean, later restored the Monarchy, only to go back to being a democracy. What is it now, the fifth Republic? I don't know of any magic incantation that determines how democracy develops in a particular country. The only thing that history tells me that democracies are forged in fire and blood.

68 posted on 04/01/2005 7:40:19 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

I agree. And yes, I misplaced 'nature' for 'culture'.


69 posted on 04/01/2005 7:51:02 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: stripes1776
The only thing that history tells me that democracies are forged in fire and blood.

Thanks. That's a really nice line. And very true too.

70 posted on 04/01/2005 7:52:41 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: winodog
Hate has such a strong meaning in todays society. I have a 1864 Websters that describes hate as : extreme dislike. So I do have a extreme dislike for muslims. And I understand that there might be some decent muslims. I wonder why they dont speak up. Could it be because they will do as the cult of the moon god tells them to do just when it is convienant for them?

You dislike Muslims. You DO realize that there are a billion of them. That's a lot of hate to have in you. Perhaps it makes you comfortable. Do you hate the Muslim women, children and old folks? Do you just hate all the Muslim men over 16 and under, what, 40? 35?
Perhaps your cult of hate can decide who is to be hated and who passes your standards of decency.
You wouldn't be Christian, of course. Your hatred of a people solely because of their religion is very un-Christian, isn't it?
Oh well. No one's perfect. Me included. I shouldn't razz you so; you have enough negativity on your plate already.
Peace be with you, son.

71 posted on 04/01/2005 8:53:56 PM PST by starfish923
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To: conservlib
I cannot add to what you have said. You appear to know more about India than I do. You make good points.

Thank you.

72 posted on 04/01/2005 8:55:10 PM PST by starfish923
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To: starfish923

I dont dislike them because of their religion. I dislike them because they kill innocent men, women and children everywhere they go.


73 posted on 04/01/2005 10:59:40 PM PST by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: wesley_windam-price

Luckily, anti-Christian violence in India is very small compared to, say, (pick any Muslim country).


74 posted on 04/01/2005 11:01:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (The government is going down the drain to authorize the foul murder of innocent people.)
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To: BJClinton

"Intersting, so do women martyrs get 72 virgins? Where do these virgins come from?"

They get to BE a "black-eyed houri" and serve the men, their viginity is eternally renewed. As a woman. this sounds rather painful, unromantic and unpleasant. I don't want to be a snot, but even in the Old Testament, virgins are given to men who pillage. The sexual fixation on virgins is universal.


75 posted on 04/02/2005 10:12:30 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: CarrotAndStick

"It will, Indians booted out the Hindu 'nationalists' in their last general election. The new government is headed by a Christian and a Sikh, members of India's two religious minorities. And they seem to be doing a good job."

Do these "nationalists" wonder why they aren't being persecuted?


76 posted on 04/02/2005 10:14:45 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

I didn't understand what you asked me.


77 posted on 04/02/2005 11:24:43 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: BJClinton

because Islam saw equality in humans

Except for women, of course.

Don't forget non-muslims.


78 posted on 04/02/2005 12:55:27 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Are you sure ? I thought muslims and christians "together" constituted a majority in Kerala. Close to 55% that is.


79 posted on 04/02/2005 5:15:28 PM PST by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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To: biblewonk; wesley_windam-price; starfish923; 7.62 x 51mm; sukhoi-30mki; conservlib; NormB; ...
Of course this lone deplorable episode doesnt reflect India's secular culture..

That episode says as much about the religious tolerance of Indian society as would the deaths of 10-12 people who were shot dead in the south western part of USofA, just after 9-11, because they were wearing turbans ;)

Of course, there are fanatics all over the world and Indians are no ultra-saintly people just because they won their independence in a non-violent way and dont seem to engage in wars all the time, unless being compelled to.

But I do agree that the world's largest democracy needs to have a higher standard for judgement of its secular credentials, and I bet its trying hard.. by giving a better representation to its minorities in governing the nation, than any other country on this planet.

(no offense meant but) isnt it a fact that few Americans might endorse a black or a jewish person to rule their country ? Is it because many religious Christians think of non-christians as un-saved "heathens" who will burn in hell ? ;)

From my experience and probably many fellow Indians would attest to this, Indian Hindus get along well with people of most religions, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists. For example, the country wouldnt mind a local born Christian or a Sikh as their prime minister, its not uncommon for Hindus to go to their Christian friends' churches and celebrate Xmas with them, for instance.

Hindus dont have bad notions about christians or their religion as such, though some of them are wary of christian missionaries since they do alter local demographies.. but if you ask me how peer-to-peer relations are between Oridnary Hindus and ordinary church going christian people, they couldnt be better.. Afterall, most Indian born Christians are as patriotic as their Hindu or Sikh brothers and wouldnt flinch to defend their nation, if need be. Many of my Indian christian friends have their brothers or dads in Indian Air force, and they are quite patriotic. Infact, those who came to US to study dont buy Pakistani made rice, just like us (even I tried their rice once or twice, but most of my Indian christian friends never did) ;)

The problem Hindus have with muslims is cultural and also got something to do with the fact that historically, there is too much bad blood between the two faiths..

But you gotta keep this in mind : the concept of India in itself was an attempt to heal those wounds inflicted by historical animosities between Hindus and Muslims.

And even Muslim integration into Indian mainstream has already begun, though many might disagree with me.. afterall, its a fact that none of India's 150 million plus muslims have joined al-qaeda or any anti-American terrorist group (though I bet there are some pockets where Muslims do seem a bit anti-US, but thats nothing compared to how anti-Americanism is entrenched in Pakistani culture).

Overall, India is "alrite" on the tolerance aspect, it could be better, but atleast the mainstream culture doesnt accept fanaticism blindly. There are some right wing fanatics or left wing fanatics but they dont damage credibility of Indian secular character as such ;) atleast not too much.

to Meanwest Texan : Do you think I'm gonna burn in hell because I dont belong to your faith ? :(

80 posted on 04/02/2005 6:03:48 PM PST by desidude_in_us (US, India & Israel are natural allies)
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