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Poll Shift on Terri's Death
NewsMax ^ | 4/1/05 | Limbacher

Posted on 04/01/2005 7:42:27 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Public opinion may be shifting on the decision to disconnect Terri Schiavo's feeding tube and starve her to death, according to a new Fox Opinion Dynamics survey - with a significant percentage of Americans now saying it was "murder."

When asked about the "decision to remove" Schiavo's feeding tube, 38 percent of Americans told Opinion Dynamics that they disagreed with the decision, with 42 percent backing the move.

A full 20 percent said they were unsure.

A widely circulated ABC News poll last week asked if it was right to pull Schiavo's feeding tube, noting that she's been "on life support for 15 years" with a condition that is "irreversible."

Phrasing the question like that, 63 percent backed the decision to remove her tube, with 28 opposed.

In perhaps the most startling finding on the survey, fifty percent of African Americans told Opinion Dynamics that removing Schiavo's feeding tube was "an act of murder."

Thirty-nine percent of Republicans agreed. Even among Americans under 30, more than a third of the population [35 percent] believe that Schiavo was murdered.

Opinion Dynamics surveyed 900 registered voters on March 29-30, the day before Schiavo died.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allterriallthetime; giveitarest; murder; notthisagain; polls; schiavo; schiavorepublic; shesaliveinchristjim; shesdeadjim; terri
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1 posted on 04/01/2005 7:42:29 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Gee, maybe they got the facts straight on this poll!


2 posted on 04/01/2005 7:44:34 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Once people find out the facts about this case, their mind quickly changes. When one finds out that MS waited 7 YEARS to say that his wife wanted to die and that he went to nursing school to take care of her when he apparently knew she did not want to live...etc...just too many unanswered questions....


3 posted on 04/01/2005 7:46:37 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Yep.

The politicians who did not intervene are going to find out that the public thinks they abetted in murder.

Which they did.


4 posted on 04/01/2005 7:46:42 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: TXBubba

Well, isn't that nice that they all realized this AFTER she died?!


5 posted on 04/01/2005 7:46:52 AM PST by pkp1184
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To: TXBubba

Maybe they allowed people who weren't DNC employees to be polled.


6 posted on 04/01/2005 7:46:56 AM PST by hflynn
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To: Vicomte13

Well said.


7 posted on 04/01/2005 7:47:50 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
OK...bring her back to life and let's do this all over./sarcasm/

What we needed WHEN TERRI WAS ALIVE was for a huge public clamor calling it what it was....murder.

Or a political leader(read Jeb) with the stones to just do it and let the handwringers sort out the "constitutional crisis".

8 posted on 04/01/2005 7:48:16 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: yellowdoghunter

You're absolutely right...every ignorant co-worker to whom I explain the facts quickly change their minds!


9 posted on 04/01/2005 7:48:21 AM PST by pkp1184
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Ahh yes polls. This same one was posted here yesterday, except with the accompanying Fox story that stated: "By an overwhelming majority, Americans viewed removing the feeding tube as an act of compasion." Funny how when you change the accompanying story, suddenly the poll takes on new meaning. Still, many here yesterday noticed the trend that this Newsmax story now reports.


10 posted on 04/01/2005 7:48:52 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

A co-worker has a wife that's a nurse. She says that most of the poor souls in hospices are put on feeding tubes because they tend to aspirate (suck food/liquid into the lungs) and need to be taken to a hospital when it happens. The families get upset and get the lawyers involved and....well, you know the rest of the story.


11 posted on 04/01/2005 7:49:03 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
NewsMin really obfuscates the "murder" question. If you look at the original FOX News story instead of the NewsMin reinterpretation, 29% of individuals polled considered removal murder, versus 54% calling it an "act of mercy".
12 posted on 04/01/2005 7:49:12 AM PST by Phocion (Abolish the 16th Amendment.)
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To: TXBubba
The people who agreeed with it by and large believed that BS about "brain dead" and "life support". Now with all the exposure, many of them are discovering that those were lies, forcing them to re-evaluate their opinion. The MSM is up to its demon infested neck in complicity in this case.

I knew two weeks ago that the worm would turn - just as soon as Terri's cold body was wheeled from the hospice room.

13 posted on 04/01/2005 7:51:38 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I surfed the news shows last night. I detected a pro-Terri trend. A little late, though.


14 posted on 04/01/2005 7:52:12 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: pkp1184

Me too. Even my mother, when I told her the facts, she quickly changed her mind. Especially when I told her that these same people are coming after the alzheimers patients next, which my grandmother is one, that really got her going.


15 posted on 04/01/2005 7:52:18 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: pkp1184

So did my husband when I gave him some background.
There are some who are blind and chose not to hear.


16 posted on 04/01/2005 7:53:10 AM PST by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: Phocion

Quote: "NewsMin really obfuscates the "murder" question. If you look at the original FOX News story instead of the NewsMin reinterpretation, 29% of individuals polled considered removal murder, versus 54% calling it an "act of mercy"."

As I said above, that is the funny thing about polls, the accompanying stories seem to push toward one direction or another. All Newsmax did was take the poll and lead with a different trend than Fox did.


17 posted on 04/01/2005 7:53:37 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: lafroste

I hope this is the beginning of the end for the judicial tyranny.


18 posted on 04/01/2005 7:53:45 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: jusduat

I also bet the final action of not letting her family be with her when she died got folks wondering about the "facts" previously presented.


19 posted on 04/01/2005 7:55:56 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: FlipWilson

That's all NewsMax does with 75% of their stories. They take a mainstream article and carve out the parts that make conservatives look good, and retitle the story. As a result a lot of context is lost. I think most people are intelligent enough to read mainstream articles and cancel out the liberal bias in their own minds. In this particular instance, the FOX story gives a lot more information, by clearly posting the results for each question. NewsMax (or Min as i call it) just strips out certain numbers.


20 posted on 04/01/2005 7:56:30 AM PST by Phocion (Abolish the 16th Amendment.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

All depends on how the question is worded.


22 posted on 04/01/2005 7:58:07 AM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: COEXERJ145

Seriously...when the question says "Do you support torturing someone's eternal soul by trapping them in a near-dead body?" then you tend to get a lot of "NO"


23 posted on 04/01/2005 8:00:26 AM PST by pkp1184
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To: Vicomte13

They most definitely lost their nerve. And the loss of that nerve will reverberate in upcoming judicial edicts that will not be able to be challenged because of this precedent.

How are they going to passionaltely and believably fight against gay marriage, when they were so impotent when it came to defending life? What is that Scipture that says a good woman is worth more than rubies, etc? Well same goes for great Leaders.


24 posted on 04/01/2005 8:01:04 AM PST by AlbionGirl (I am not now, nor ever have been, a member of the recently revealed flatliners club.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

We really need a book on this, and maybe a movie.

The news media have assiduously distorted the facts, as usual.

We also need a full and careful autopsy, given all the charges and the seeming evidence of spousal abuse. I have some hopes that the new coroner appointed by Jeb Bush in 2000 may be an honest man.


25 posted on 04/01/2005 8:01:52 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This is sooo predictable.

Just wait for the tv movie.


26 posted on 04/01/2005 8:02:11 AM PST by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: pkp1184
"Do you support torturing someone's eternal soul by trapping them in a near-dead body?" then you tend to get a lot of PEOPLE SUBSTITUTING THEIR JUDGEMENT FOR THAT OF GOD.

And when man becomes God, bad things happen.

27 posted on 04/01/2005 8:02:16 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: Tribune7

That trend may have been just the perceived "obligatory" show of compassion for the families of the deceased. I will never trust or even "listen/watch" the msm!!


28 posted on 04/01/2005 8:02:19 AM PST by PaRebel (Visualize Whirled Peas!)
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To: randog

Most if not all "poor souls in hospices" are there because they have some terminal illness and there is little hope of them surviving very long. That is what a hospice is for: to care for people who are dying. The mere fact that Terri was in a hospice at all when she was not terminal is all you need to know about Michael Schiavo's intentions from the get-go.


29 posted on 04/01/2005 8:03:02 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (I'm a "BINO" Blue -Stater In Name Only!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It's all about how you phrase the question.


30 posted on 04/01/2005 8:03:17 AM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
This is a testament to the importance of getting the truth out to the public. Those who know the what was really going on, what really happened, know that we all witnessed judicial murder.

Is there any way you all can think of that we can make our access to the truth more easily available to the majority of the public? How can we do the job of the MSM and have people understand that the truth is the truth whether or not it comes from the internet or from the TV?

31 posted on 04/01/2005 8:04:01 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: aculeus
Just wait for the tv movie. On Lifetime, of course.
32 posted on 04/01/2005 8:04:03 AM PST by Constitution Day ("If you could understand Morse Code, a tap dancer would drive you crazy." [RIP Mitch Hedberg])
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Joe Ford, a Harvard undergraduate with severe cerebral palsy: "Like many others with disabilities, I believe that the American public, to one degree or another, holds that disabled people are better off dead. To put it in a simpler way, many Americans are bigots. A close examination of the facts of the Schiavo case reveals not a case of difficult decisions but a basic test of this country's decency."

Who Will Remember Terri?
By JAMES TARANTO
April 1, 2005; Page A10


33 posted on 04/01/2005 8:04:22 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: TXBubba
Gee, maybe they got the facts straight on this poll!

It was inconscionable to count in the poll people who couldn't pass a basic "Terri test" to make sure those knowing the full situation were the ones being included in the survey.

More knowledge, less support for judiciary-sponsored murder.

Wasn't in medieval times that it wasn't that bad a crime to murder an unsatisfactory spouse?

I really believe that Terri knew that her hanging on so long was opening the eyes of so many people to how outrageously out of control the government is, and how unwilling our leaders are to do their job.

Terri's in a better place, where satanic forces can't keep her from a family that loves and cares for her.

34 posted on 04/01/2005 8:05:04 AM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The poll question should be "if you were in Terri's situation, would you want to be starved to death". It's easy to say you would not want to live that way. But choosing to be starved to death is another matter.


35 posted on 04/01/2005 8:06:13 AM PST by nicolezmomma
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To: yellowdoghunter

Yes, the news services did not report the full facts, and they worded the question in an effort to get the response that they wanted. There were many people involved in the death of Terri Schiavo, and some of them were completely ignorant of what was going on.

Most people just did not know the reputation of the man, calling himself "husband", who was trying to get Terri put to death, for he wanted her out of the way. Cohabiting with another woman and having two children with her, he had no need for Terri, and she was just in his way of getting what he wanted.


36 posted on 04/01/2005 8:09:40 AM PST by tessalu
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To: Phocion
Fewer than 30% of smokers die of cancer related diseases. Of the 30%, we are currently unaware of what percentage are afflicted with nonsmoking related cancer. Regardless, big government has ingrained upon us the idea that smoking kills 30% of those who partake, not the other way.

In your wonderful example, taking the time to highlight the true facts, 29% considered it murder, no non-relateds in this case. Only 54% viewed it as otherwise.

So in the comparison, 70%+ of smokers do not die of cancer related diseases, yet big government forces the 30% down our throats. And in your case, backwards, you insist on disregarding the 29% and pushing the meager 54%. I guess whatever fits best.

37 posted on 04/01/2005 8:10:14 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: All

Rush Limbaugh played yesterday the tapes of Mr. Schindler asking Terri:

Do your ears hurt?
Do your legs hurt?
Does your stomach hurt?

Several questions like that. After each one, Terri responded with what sounded like a long, drawn-out 'O-o-o-o-o.'

After the clip, Rush said, 'that sounds like responsiveness to me.'

I had to agree. It was the first time I had heard those, and it made me sick. She was killed.


38 posted on 04/01/2005 8:11:34 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: tessalu

Well said. I will never understand how some on FR could defend Michael knowing that he was shacking up with another woman.

How on earth could he have had Terri's best interest at heart?


39 posted on 04/01/2005 8:12:12 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

I think he went to nursing school so he could find out how to make sure she never recovered enough to tell people what he did to her.


40 posted on 04/01/2005 8:13:16 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Maybe people started picking up bits and pieces of facts instead of what most of the media has been saying.


41 posted on 04/01/2005 8:13:38 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Vicomte13

Dear Vicomte13,

"The politicians who did not intervene are going to find out that the public thinks they abetted in murder."

But the accomplices to the murdering judges and Pontius Pilate politicians are the individual Americans who, in their ignorance, initially supported the murder.

In their quite-vincible ignorance, most Americans share culpability. May God forgive our nation.


sitetest


43 posted on 04/01/2005 8:14:03 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: lady lawyer

I would put nothing past that man.


44 posted on 04/01/2005 8:14:20 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Most people that voted on that original pole probably had no clue about what was really happening and her condition.

I'd be willing to bet they thought she was terminal and it was about pulling the plug in that kind of situation.


45 posted on 04/01/2005 8:15:21 AM PST by WestCoastGal (Bristol~2 get a tkt to a race there is like trying to slip an out of spec car thru NASCAR inspection)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Right here in Tampa, the newspapers are so pro killing Terri I couldn't buy one while this is going on. (And not after, either)

The St. Petersberg Times has been running poor Michael and brave, brave judge Greer articles for weeks now. The editorials have been how dare anyone deny Terri her right to die.

It has also treated us to lovely articles like, "The other woman in Michael Schiavo's heart" and trashed the Schindler family viciously.

So I basically expect the people I meet not to know the facts.


47 posted on 04/01/2005 8:16:07 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: nicolezmomma
The poll question should be "if you were in Terri's situation, would you want to be starved to death". It's easy to say you would not want to live that way. But choosing to be starved to death is another matter.

You would think that would matter. But I believe people are so far removed from the physical death of others that they don't even understand how terrible starvation is. I'm not an anti-technology nut but I do think our current lifestyle has removed us from the basics of inter-human relationships at many points. Most of the time people go someplace to die. Only those that go quickly are usually at home today. Our society has lost it's ability to interact face to face.

48 posted on 04/01/2005 8:17:02 AM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba

Yeah. We don't get too many conservative radio talk shows where I am. My mom happened to be listening to a local liberal talk show host who had been supportive of and sympathetic to Michael Sciavo. This woman said that if he really didn't allow her family to be with her when she died that she would have to revise some of her opinions about him.


49 posted on 04/01/2005 8:17:26 AM PST by green pastures
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Not shifting.

They just got the question right!


50 posted on 04/01/2005 8:17:33 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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