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Affirmative Action bake sale stirs protest
ASU Web Devil ^ | 3/30/05 | Michael Famiglietti

Posted on 04/01/2005 9:02:03 AM PST by freespirited

Tensions rose in front of the Memorial Union on Tuesday over an affirmative action bake sale that sold cookies at prices determined by the buyer's race.

ASU's College Republicans set up the bake sale to protest affirmative action.

It sold cookies, Zingers and Twinkies to white males for $1, to white women for 75 cents, to Asians and Pacific Islanders for $1.25, to black and Hispanic males for 50 cents and to black and Hispanic women for 25 cents.

Jared Sandella, president of the club, said he knew some people wouldn't agree with the club's position, but both white and minority students were buying.

"They're more than welcome to come up and argue," he said.

Similar anti-affirmative action bake sales were shut down in 2003 at the Southern Methodist University in Texas and Northwestern University in Chicago.

Several students took on the group Tuesday. Many of them approached the booth screaming and accusing the club of being racist.

"They're [the club] trying to say affirmative action is based on race, but it's not," said Juan Fortenberry, a kinesiology freshman.

Leigh Dukatt, an urban planning junior and member of the College Republicans, said the crowd was misinterpreting the meaning of the bake sale.

"We're not racist," Dukatt said.

Getting a job or getting into college should be based on social and economic factors instead of race, he added.

Another student protesting the sale was Dan Martinez, a biology and society senior. He said affirmative action was a good program that benefited many people.

"After so many years of oppression, we have to level the playing field somehow," he said.

ASU's Young Democrats did not have an official position on the bake sale, but a few of its members decided to independently boycott it by handing out fliers.

"We're giving out actual statistics to engage people in some learning," said Joaquin Rios, a political science freshman. "This is an issue that takes more than 30 seconds to explain."

The fliers included information such as poverty rate differences among races, the average income between different races and the percentage of college degrees earned by people of different races.

Natalya Kuskin, a political science and English literature freshman, also handed out fliers. There is no equality in this country and affirmative action is needed, she said.

"So much racism is still in this country, and the government still has a responsibility to do something," she said.

Sandella said one group showed up to protest the bake sale by handing out free cookies to anyone who wanted them.

The group was asked to leave after Sandella informed the Student Development and Memorial Union Administration Office that the group didn't have a food waiver.

"They have the right to protest," Sandella said. "But I didn't want them to violate the University's policy."

The policy says anyone who wants to sell or give out food on campus must apply for a food waiver.

The College Republicans applied for its food waiver Feb. 8.

"We were going to bake ourselves but it would violate policy," Sandella said.

Reach the reporter at michael.famiglietti@asu.edu


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KEYWORDS: academia; affirmativeaction; arizonastate; bakesale; collegepubbies; handoutmentality; stuckonplantation
Getting a job or getting into college should be based on social and economic factors instead of race, he added.

Right on, bro! The silly notion that it should be based on qualifications was a plot hatched by white guys who have ruined it for everyone else (and endangered the snail darter while they were at it).

1 posted on 04/01/2005 9:02:04 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited

In this day and age, TRUTH often evokes outrage.


2 posted on 04/01/2005 9:04:18 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: freespirited
Getting a job or getting into college should be based on social and economic factors instead of race, he added.

The problem is that was one of the College Republicans [Leigh Dukatt] saying it. How about basing it on grades and talent.

"They're [the club] trying to say affirmative action is based on race, but it's not," said Juan Fortenberry, a kinesiology freshman.

Keep talking that way Juan, and a Florida judge is going to order your feeding tube removed.

3 posted on 04/01/2005 9:10:15 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: freespirited
Sandella said one group showed up to protest the bake sale by handing out free cookies to anyone who wanted them. The group was asked to leave after Sandella informed the Student Development and Memorial Union Administration Office that the group didn't have a food waiver. "They have the right to protest," Sandella said. "But I didn't want them to violate the University's policy." The policy says anyone who wants to sell or give out food on campus must apply for a food waiver. The College Republicans applied for its food waiver Feb. 8. "We were going to bake ourselves but it would violate policy," Sandella said.

It looks as if the socialists have taken over the pubbies anyhoo!

4 posted on 04/01/2005 9:14:49 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: freespirited
"Dan Martinez, a biology and society senior. He said affirmative action was a good program that benefited many people."

Indeed. And many people who were more qualified were discriminated against so that lesser qualified people could be benefited. Ya twit.

5 posted on 04/01/2005 9:16:10 AM PST by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: freespirited
I will say what I have said on countless threads about these bake sales.

If students today were being taught economics, entrepenuership, self reliance, and critical thinking skills instead of the culture of victimhood these bake sales would present a great opportunity.

A member of the minority getting the lowest price would buy ALL of the available products and then sell them at a nice profit.

But no. Instead of seeing opportunity and seizing it. They see offense and act the victim.

6 posted on 04/01/2005 9:19:40 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: freespirited

"After so many years of oppression, we have to level the playing field somehow," he said.

If Dan Martinez, university senior and science major, would care to discuss the years he spent enduring oppression, I'd love to hear about it.


7 posted on 04/01/2005 9:20:46 AM PST by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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To: freespirited
"They're [the club] trying to say affirmative action is based on race, but it's not," said Juan Fortenberry, a kinesiology freshman.

huh?

8 posted on 04/01/2005 9:22:20 AM PST by Drango
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To: freespirited
"They're [the club] trying to say affirmative action is based on race, but it's not," said Juan Fortenberry, a kinesiology freshman.

Well, blow me down. You learn something everyday.

At least there are active Republican groups on campi nowadays. Kids by nature are rebellious. When America was conservative it was chic to be liberal. Now that the colleges are controlled by the left it is rebellious to be conservative. The social pendulum swings slowly but swing it will.

9 posted on 04/01/2005 9:24:05 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: KarlInOhio
The problem is that was one of the College Republicans [Leigh Dukatt] saying it.

We've been dealing with this problem for decades. Maybe they need a new organization: College RINOs.

10 posted on 04/01/2005 9:28:32 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited

Wrong. Getting into college should be based on merit and not on anything else - race, gender, socio-economic status.


11 posted on 04/01/2005 9:32:12 AM PST by econ_grad
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To: KarlInOhio
...Juan Fortenberry, a kinesiology freshman.

Hmm, had to look that one up in the ASU online catalog, and found the following:

"Kinesiology Major [Formally known as Exercise Science/Physical Education Major]"

So, its fine with Juan for the taxpayers to pay for him to study "recess". I say that he already HAS a feeding tube worth pulling!

12 posted on 04/01/2005 9:34:50 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Now that the colleges are controlled by the left it is rebellious to be conservative. The social pendulum swings slowly but swing it will.

Don't count on it. 50% of the population (Double X chromosomes) cannot achieve parity without affirmative action especially in scientific and technical fields. They will always demand a boost when a disparity becomes obvious.


13 posted on 04/01/2005 9:38:06 AM PST by kluge5180
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To: KarlInOhio
While I'm at it:

Another student protesting the sale was Dan Martinez, a biology and society senior. He said affirmative action was a good program that benefited many people.

"After so many years of oppression, we have to level the playing field somehow," he said.

Again, from the ASU website:

"The Center for Biology and Society explores conceptual foundations of the biosciences and their diverse interactions with society through Bioethics, Policy, and Law. By bringing together dispersed activities, the Center expands opportunities for intellectual ferment and increased impact by creating synergistic collaborations and communication."

After stripping out the gobbledegook, you have a program whose stated purpose is to examine issues that related to biology (race comes to mind) and society (AA also comes to mind). You'd think that Danny would have appreciated the chance to study the interactions, rather than just blowing his piehole about it. Oops, missed a shot at a nice extra credit paper there, Dan!

14 posted on 04/01/2005 9:43:35 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: KarlInOhio
This is fun:

Natalya Kuskin, a political science and English literature freshman, also handed out fliers. There is no equality in this country and affirmative action is needed, she said.

"So much racism is still in this country, and the government still has a responsibility to do something," she said.

Elsewhere in the Web Devil, in response to the question: "Do you think Terri Shiavo's feeding tube should be replaced?" she states the following:

"She shouldn't have to die ... She's still bringing happiness to her parents." --Natalya Kuskin, political science and English literature freshman

Maybe Natalya is capable of being saved, if we can get this immigrant away from left-wing influences. Good thing for her and her family, if they came over, too, that there is enough equality to let them over here, and at least partially pay for her "education".

15 posted on 04/01/2005 9:51:17 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Gefreiter
If Dan Martinez, university senior and science major, would care to discuss the years he spent enduring oppression, I'd love to hear about it.

He's a "biology and society" major. If you go to the ASU website and read the full text of what they are trying to "teach", you'll realize Danny's years of enduring oppression are to come, when he will bilingually ask people if they want fries with that.

You think they'll charge different prices for the fries, depending on the color of who drives up? ;)

16 posted on 04/01/2005 9:56:47 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: freespirited

The problem with AA programs is that they are essentially zero-sum games. Basing admissions on social and economic factors will just discriminate against people whose parents dared to actually work hard and get ahead in life, and will probably just wind up discriminating against middle-class people anyway. The true ultra rich still won't have any problem getting their offspring into the college of their choice.

I am applying to graduate schools next year. I feel I have worked very hard to get where I am and to make the grades that I did.

All I want is to be judged on the merits of my academic performance, not on my skin color or how much money mommy has.


17 posted on 04/01/2005 9:57:50 AM PST by somniferum (All warfare is deception - Sun Tzu)
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To: freespirited

Affirmative Action = Racism and bias. If the Declaration of Independence states that "all Men are created equal", then why should we treat others with preference? Each man/woman judged own their own merits.


18 posted on 04/01/2005 10:05:55 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: TheForceOfOne
own on their own merits
19 posted on 04/01/2005 10:07:00 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: freespirited

Didn't they do this last year too?


20 posted on 04/01/2005 10:12:39 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: hunter112
"Kinesiology Major [Formally known as Exercise Science/Physical Education Major]"

So now your garden-variety GYM COACH is going to be called a Kinesiology Facilitator, or some other such nonsense?

Then again, trash guys are now called Sanitation Engineers, so I guess it's par-for-the-course.

21 posted on 04/01/2005 10:20:00 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: freespirited

How about a quota of customers?

In order to buy a cookie there must be so much customer diveristy.

Thus if not enough women have bought cookies, no man can buy a cookie until more women buy a cookie. And NOBODY can buy a cokie until 2.7% admitted homosexuals form the customer group. (it would have to be per hour)

They could put up a quota tote board. Publicly proclaiming customer diversity goals. They could even put in a disclaimer indicating that under no curcumstance will a quota be adjusted to favor males or europeeeeean decent.


22 posted on 04/01/2005 10:27:31 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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"We're giving out actual statistics to engage people in some learning," said Joaquin Rios, a political science freshman. "This is an issue that takes more than 30 seconds to explain."The fliers included information such as poverty rate differences among races, the average income between different races and the percentage of college degrees earned by people of different races.

They forgot to include statistics on the comsumption of cookies,Zingers,and Twinkies by minorities.

"They're [the club] trying to say affirmative action is based on race, but it's not," said Juan Fortenberry, a kinesiology freshman.

Juan,you need one of Joaquin's fliers.

"So much racism is still in this country, and the government still has a responsibility to do something," she said.

The government's responsibility is to make sure that the government is free from racial discrimination.The government is the referee to disputes involving it's citizens,and it should be impartial.The real problem is the government once again taking restrictions on itself,and attempting to apply them to the people.Nobody has the right to tell me or any private citizen how they should perceive another.Discrimination laws should only apply to the government.Private citizens and businesses should not be subject to these laws.Any attempt to enforce anti-discrimination laws against the people must lead to tyranny.

23 posted on 04/01/2005 10:36:24 AM PST by kennyo
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To: DocH
So now your garden-variety GYM COACH is going to be called a Kinesiology Facilitator, or some other such nonsense?

Its something the student's mother can tell her friends! Sort of like describing her hooker daughter as a "social worker".

24 posted on 04/01/2005 11:11:18 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: freespirited
Getting a job or getting into college should be based on social and economic factors instead of race, he added.

The numbskull that said this is a Republican????
Whatever happened to merit?
It's more hopeless than I thought.

25 posted on 04/01/2005 11:14:12 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: kluge5180
50% of the population (Double X chromosomes) cannot achieve parity without affirmative action especially in scientific and technical fields.

You are probably making a light hearted sarcastic remark which would make the following inappropriate but, just in case....

How would affirmative action contribute to achieving parity? I suppose that depends on what you define as parity.

Success is inner motivated. A college degree verifies a person has been exposed to a certain amount and kind of material. Grade inflation has eliminated its ability to predict "education". Whether as person is able to attend a school of his choice is unimportant. He can always get into a school somewhere. Even lacking that, there are libraries and the internet where information on everything imaginable. If a person desires and education he can get it. If not, affirmative action may get him a job through intimidation and quotas, probably in a government job, but I don't know if that is what you refer to as parity.

Regardless, a person who desires success can achieve it, no matter the circumstances.

26 posted on 04/01/2005 11:57:53 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: freespirited

"Many of them approached the booth screaming and accusing the club of being racist. "

Because the prices for them were still too high?


27 posted on 04/01/2005 5:39:52 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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