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Holy See Grieved by Terri Schiavo's Death - describes death as a homicide
Zenit News Agency ^ | 040105 | Vatican Spokesman

Posted on 04/01/2005 6:49:38 PM PST by Fred

Holy See Grieved by Terri Schiavo's Death Reaction of Vatican Spokesman and Cardinal

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 1, 2005 (Zenit.org).- The Holy See officially expressed its sadness over the death of the brain-damaged woman in Florida who died of starvation after her husband had her feeding tube removed.

On Thursday afternoon, Joaquín Navarro Valls, director of the Vatican press office, said that the circumstances surrounding Terri Schiavo’s death have "rightly upset consciences."

"A life was interrupted. Death was arbitrarily anticipated, because feeding a person can never be considered as drastic therapy," said the Vatican spokesman in a statement.

"There is no doubt that there can be no exceptions to the principle of the sacredness of life, from conception to its natural end. In addition to being a principle of Christian ethics, this has also been a principle of human civilization," added the text.

"It is to be hoped that, because of this dramatic experience, a greater awareness of human dignity will mature in public opinion and that this will lead to greater defense of life, even on a legal level," concluded Navarro Valls.

Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, described Terri Schiavo's death as a homicide, in face of which one cannot be indifferent without becoming an accomplice."

Cardinal Martino added that it was "an unjust sentence to death of an innocent, by one of the most inhuman and cruel forms, hunger and thirst." ZE05040104


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cardinal; catholic; euthanasia; felos; holy; michael; murder; pope; schiavo; see; shindler; starvation; terri

1 posted on 04/01/2005 6:49:40 PM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

The Cardinal is RIGHT it was a HOMICIDE...Absolutley. With many accomplices.


2 posted on 04/01/2005 6:52:22 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Fred

The Cardinal is RIGHT it was a HOMICIDE...Absolutley. With many accomplices.


3 posted on 04/01/2005 6:52:23 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Fred

Oh, well, a double post.


4 posted on 04/01/2005 6:53:37 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Fred

Oh, well, a double post.


5 posted on 04/01/2005 6:53:47 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Fred

The disappointment and shock of it has absolutely KILLED our PAPA! That's right, they've killed the POPE too.


6 posted on 04/01/2005 6:54:32 PM PST by johnb838 (Blessed Are The Dead, Who Die In The Lord, For They Rest From Their Labors.)
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To: Fred

Yet Felos maintains that witholding nutrients and liquids isn't starvation.


7 posted on 04/01/2005 6:55:10 PM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: TAdams8591

If you do that again you'll have youre triple-double for the season.


8 posted on 04/01/2005 6:55:15 PM PST by HKMk23 (Rex regum et Dominus dominantium)
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To: ViLaLuz

Felos must demonstrate the concept personally. I'd pay good money to watch.


9 posted on 04/01/2005 6:56:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ViLaLuz

Oh, well, hear him talk! I'd like to see him try it for two or three weeks, then come back and preach to us all about how easy it is, the felonious death-monger.


10 posted on 04/01/2005 6:58:11 PM PST by HKMk23 (Rex regum et Dominus dominantium)
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To: Fred

The Holy See had the opportunity a few weeks ago to name her a Vatican envoy. She would have had diplomatic immunity, and they couldn't do her harm.


11 posted on 04/01/2005 7:00:38 PM PST by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: HKMk23

LOL! The second double post was meant to be funny!


12 posted on 04/01/2005 7:02:04 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Fred

" ........a homicide, in face of which one cannot be indifferent without becoming an accomplice."


True words there. I have been so shocked, and shaken to my core, that MY country was capable of doing this terrible thing. But what has disillusioned me, more even than the fact that my country murdered this innocent woman, is the INDIFFERENCE of so many as to what was happening. So many people could not be troubled to take a few minutes to CARE.

pattyjo


13 posted on 04/01/2005 7:08:11 PM PST by pj_627
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To: Fred

I agree, she was murdered. The Catholic Church gets it right this time...


14 posted on 04/01/2005 7:08:32 PM PST by aspiring.hillbilly (.)
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To: Fred

My favorite observation was that when Teri was dying, she was surrounded by flowers that were well watered. She is in a room full of flowers getting water, and dying because her own family is being prevented from giving her any water.

When I hear the arguments of Felos and his Ilk, the word sophistry comes to mind.


15 posted on 04/01/2005 7:19:08 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: sandyeggo; american colleen; sockmonkey; NYer; St. Johann Tetzel; Askel5; AKA Elena; ELS; Slyfox; ..
Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, described Terri Schiavo's death as a homicide, in face of which one cannot be indifferent without becoming an accomplice."

Ping

16 posted on 04/01/2005 7:20:18 PM PST by Siobhan (Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us.)
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To: TAdams8591
"The Cardinal is RIGHT it was a HOMICIDE...Absolutley.

Yah, well duhhhh. Yer right, it wuz a humicide!

NOT.

17 posted on 04/01/2005 7:22:14 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: pj_627

Agreed. From beginning to end, there isn't a thing about this case that wasn't troubling.


18 posted on 04/01/2005 7:36:20 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Windsong

Can we really call it homicide if those were her wishes? I cannot decide how I feel about this. What if she really did not want to live that way? Shouldn't she have been allowed to die if she wanted to? Wouldn't you want people to honor your wishes? The whole situation greatly saddens me, but will we ever know the real story?


19 posted on 04/01/2005 7:39:38 PM PST by msdugan
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To: Fred
Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, described Terri Schiavo's death as a "homicide"..., "in face of which one cannot be indifferent without becoming an accomplice."

Congress, are you people reading the words of the Cardinal. Even though none of you on the Hill would constructively intervene to save Terri's life, the least you can do is prosecute her killers, which among others include Greer, Felos and the hit man for hire, ex-'husband'.

(Greer) 'But I am a Florida judge, it was all legal!!'

20 posted on 04/01/2005 7:41:03 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: Fred

I personally thought that his own grief over the death of Sr. Lucia and the whole Terri fiasco resulting in her death did more to stress and weaken his already weakened health than the illnesses themselves.


21 posted on 04/01/2005 7:44:18 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Fred
And against the Catholic Church's teachings!

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

Euthanasia

2276 Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.

2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

2278 Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of "over-zealous" treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one's inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.

2279 Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted. The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity. As such it should be encouraged.


22 posted on 04/01/2005 7:48:19 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Fred

Murder in the eyes of God. The liberal community's argument was she had been in that vegetative state for 15 years, it was time for Terri Schiavo to die. Only God can decide our fate. Besides, was it Terri's fault that she became comatose? Did she want to be in that state? Our liberal justice system condemned her to die.


23 posted on 04/01/2005 7:54:00 PM PST by citizencon
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To: ViLaLuz
"Yet Felos maintains that witholding nutrients and liquids isn't starvation."

Perhaps, Felos should call it Hillary Care.

24 posted on 04/01/2005 8:01:15 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: muawiyah

"an unjust sentence to death of an innocent, by one of the most inhuman and cruel forms, hunger and thirst."

This description is precise. What is so depraved about those like George Felos is the extent they refuse to acknowledge the truth of their inhumanity. They pretend to justify their actions with statements that say they were doing it out of love. Actually they were using the cover of law to discard a human using a death technique of the most cruel form. What we need to do is put our outrage to work to prevent this type of technique from ever being used to end life. Let God deliver the judgement to these murderers. He may deliver consequences to them in this life that may be a taste of what they will experience in the afterlife. And when these events happen they will be delivered free of charge from our Creator.


25 posted on 04/01/2005 8:01:52 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: msdugan

"Can we really call it homicide if those were her wishes?"


IF...that is really the crux of the whole thing to me. IF this was what SHE wanted, then I would have been able to accept what was happening....more or less. The decision would have been hers....as well as the responsibility.

However....from everything I have read, and I have read a LOT about this case, there is a lot of uncertainty about just whose idea this really was. She left nothing in writing. And her......husband.......has MAJOR conflicts of interest here. And I am sorry, just because Greer chose to accept Michael's story as to her wishes, that is just not enough. There were other people, who knew her very well, who stated her feelings were quite different from what Michael said. For some reason the judge decided that hubby's hearsay was more credible than her friends hearsay.

Look, how many of us have watched a televsion show or movie where someone was seriously ill and hooked onto life support, REAL life support and not just food and water? How many of us, caught up in the emotions a film like this evokes, have said, "gee, I would never want to live like that"? That's a normal enough reaction. If Terri really did make that comment while watching some TV show, is that enough to settle, with certainty, the issue of what HER wishes truly were? She was in her middle twenties when this comment was, allegedly, made. In my twenties, my mind was ANYWHERE but on what to do with me if I was in an terrible accident and ended up severely brain damaged and unable to communicate. I don't think she had ever, seriously, considered the possiblility.

So yes, I, personally, feel this was homicide because it is just so unclear how young Terri really felt.

pattyjo


26 posted on 04/01/2005 8:02:58 PM PST by pj_627
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To: msdugan
Can we really call it homicide if those were her wishes?

If your neighbor asks you to kill him and you do, its homicide.

27 posted on 04/01/2005 8:03:42 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: TAdams8591
Oh, well, a double post.

well - it bears repeating

28 posted on 04/01/2005 8:04:16 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Raycpa
Yes, and if you lock him in your basement and then deprive him of food and water until he dies, we are going to put you away in a hospital for the criminally insane for the rest of your life.

That's where George Greer is going. He doesn't know it yet, but the man is a total whack job ~ now that he's been outed it's just a matter of time until he's commited.

29 posted on 04/01/2005 8:10:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Fred

Life a gift from God.


30 posted on 04/01/2005 8:11:41 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: johnb838
The disappointment and shock of it has absolutely KILLED our PAPA! That's right, they've killed the POPE too.

Well, I don't think that - but I do have a picture in my mind of him escorting Terri, personally, to the gates on high. (If, as many believe, we don't ascend directly to the Father as soon as we die, but to a sort of way station ("paradise?") for the first 3 days...

(Jesus told the thief on the cross "today, thou shalt be with me in Paradise." And on the third day, when He appeared to Mary M. in the garden and she reached out to Him, He said: "Touch me not, for I have not yet descended to my Father.")

He, the Pope, was very aware of and concerned about Terri - who knows? Maybe that's his final assignment - or maybe he asked for it - to bring Terri home.

31 posted on 04/01/2005 8:12:35 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: msdugan
Shouldn't she have been allowed to die if she wanted to?

I rather think she would have let go and been gone in a few days, rather than putting up the valiant struggle she did to stay alive.

I know someone who refused food and water - not wanting to live - even tho' not terminal, not even really sick - but could not be forced to eat against her will - law. It took less that a week.

32 posted on 04/01/2005 8:17:35 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7
Surviving everything Terri survived in the last 15 years, was PROOF Terri wanted to live. Actions speak louder than words.

If Terri really wanted to go, she would have died much sooner.

33 posted on 04/01/2005 8:24:35 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: msdugan
Can we really call it homicide if those were her wishes? I cannot decide how I feel about this. What if she really did not want to live that way? Shouldn't she have been allowed to die if she wanted to? Wouldn't you want people to honor your wishes? The whole situation greatly saddens me, but will we ever know the real story?

Why is it automatically assumed that just because someone says they "wouldn't want to live that way" that they would rather die?

For example, we bought a single family home instead of a townhouse, because we didn't want to share walls with our neighbors. In other words: Because, "we didn't want to live that way". Did that mean we would rather die than live in a townhouse? NO!

I'm not trying to trivialize what happened to Terri based on the above example. In fact, the remark that Terri allegedly made that was used as "evidence" she "wanted" to be slowly tortured to death was just as trivial and off-handed as the one I made in my example. Supposedly while watching a movie (did Michael ever say what movie this was, BTW?) Terri said she wouldn't want to live like that. Michael specifically quoted her as saying, "No tubes for me". (No tubes. How convenient. Why do I get the feeling that Michael got a little coaching from Felos on that one?)

Terri's friends and family tell a different story. A friend of hers said that Terri was against Karen Ann Quinlan being removed from her respirator. The friend quoted Terri as saying, "Where there's life there's hope".

Plus, we need to keep in mind that Terri was Catholic, and Catholics do NOT believe in suicide. The vast majority of Christian denominations believe that suicide is a one-way ticket to hell. I'm a Christian, and I've done my share of backsliding in the past, but I have never, ever given suicide even a moment's consideration, and I never will.

That's another thing about Michael Shiavo's testimony about Terri's supposed wishes that really burns me. If he lied (and I'm of the opinion that he did) then not only did he falsely condemn her to death, but he slandered her character and good name by testifying that she had no qualms about committing what would be considered a mortal sin in the eyes of her church. (Not that he ever had any repect for her or her religious beliefs anyway, as evidenced by the fact that he needed to have his arm twisted to even allow his poor dying wife to receive her last rights.)

34 posted on 04/01/2005 9:40:20 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: harpo11
"Yet Felos maintains that witholding nutrients and liquids isn't starvation."

"Perhaps, Felos should call it Hillary Care."

That's EXACTLY what it is!

35 posted on 04/02/2005 5:10:39 AM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: Fred; All
In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

36 posted on 04/02/2005 11:49:53 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God save the rest of us.)
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