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(Article One Year Ago) - Schiavo's marks still a mystery
St. Petersburg Times ^ | March 31, 2004 | STEPHEN NOHLGREN

Posted on 04/01/2005 9:28:56 PM PST by Slyfox

A toxicology test comes back negative, but officials still aren't sure what caused five puncture marks on her arms.

CLEARWATER - Terri Schiavo returned to her assisted living home Tuesday after a hurried round of hospital tests were conducted to determine the cause of five puncture marks found on her arms.

A toxicology test came back negative, meaning there's no evidence that Schiavo, 40, was secretly injected with a foreign substance.

Clearwater police "have found no evidence of a crime and no evidence of an attempted crime," said spokesman Wayne Shelor.

And Schiavo's personal doctor, summoned to her bed in the assisted living facility Monday night, said Tuesday that he's not "100 percent sure" the marks were even made by a needle.

But the marks remain unexplained, the latest twist in the long, strange right-to-die case of Terri Schiavo.

"It could be that the skin was broken, maybe by someone's fingernail or jewelry," said Schiavo's physician, Dr. Stanton Tripodis. "There was just an unusual appearance to these marks."

George Felos, an attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, suggested in a news release that her parents might have stuck her repeatedly with a needle during a visit to her room earlier that day.

After Felos issued his news release, ABC, CBS, Fox News, CNN, the Canadian Broadcasting Network and numerous newspapers peppered Clearwater police for details.

"In 15 years, I have dealt with everything from (dead Scientologist) Lisa McPherson to the Virgin Mary (window image)," Shelor said, "and I have never consulted with this many media on a national level in one day."

George Tragos, who represents Schiavo's parents, denied that they stuck their daughter with a needle.

"They have no idea what (Felos) is talking about," Tragos said. "This is an outrageous abuse of the process. To issue a press release about something there was no evidence about was basically an outrageous method to get some kind of judicial advantage."

Schiavo collapsed 14 years ago and exists in what the courts have called a "persistent vegetative state." Michael Schiavo, her guardian, wants to remove the feeding tube that keeps her alive. Judges agree with him.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, have fought to keep her alive. They have found an ally in Gov. Jeb Bush, who wants to reopen the court case and review the evidence.

Tuesday morning, Bush asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to monitor Felos' needle allegations. FDLE spokesman Rick Morera said Clearwater police have not asked for help and will continue to be the lead investigative agency.

The Schindlers visited their daughter for about 45 minutes Monday afternoon at the Park Place assisted living home in Clearwater, where she lives while her permanent home at Hospice of the Florida Suncoast undergoes renovations. The Schindlers typically see her about twice a week.

After they left, an aide noticed that Schiavo was disheveled, Felos said. Her feeding tube was wrapped around her back. An armband was higher than usual on her arm.

"The aide knew something was wrong immediately and called the head nurse to come in," Felos said. "Somebody noticed a couple of marks on her arms." A purple needle cap was found on her gown.

Tripodis, Schiavo's doctor, was called to examine her. Tripodis said the marks were fresh puncture wounds "consistent with little needle marks."

Schiavo receives medication through her feeding tube and had not had any blood drawn recently, he said. So the marks were unexplained, and she was sent to Morton Plant-Mease Hospital.

"I really can't say what is the most likely explanation. I'm not a forensic scientist," Tripodis said.

Felos said he got his information from his client, Michael Schiavo, who could not be reached for comment.

Tragos, the Schindlers' attorney, noted that an off-duty Clearwater police officer is stationed outside Schiavo's room, a security measure paid for by the hospice. When people visit, the door to her room remains open. On Monday, a nurse stopped by at least once during the Schindlers' visit - hardly an atmosphere for skulduggery, he said.

"To suggest that these people who have given their lives to save (their daughter's) life would do anything to harm her is an absurd idea," Tragos said.

Toxicology tests at Morton Plant ruled out the prospect that someone injected something harmful into Schiavo. Felos said he didn't know whether any tests were done to determine whether blood had been drawn from her, which could qualify as a crime of battery.

Clearwater police intend to interview the Schindlers, Michael Schiavo, medical staff "and anyone who had any contact with Mrs. Schiavo," Shelor said. "We have no evidence of any crime but will continue an inquiry."

During the investigation, Michael Schiavo is not allowing his wife to have visitors - including her parents.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: felos; michaelschiavo; terrischiavo
Looks like Felos is using an old Saul Alinsky tactic to accuse your enemy of what you yourself are doing.
1 posted on 04/01/2005 9:28:58 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

Looks like the insulin story is getting some legs.


2 posted on 04/01/2005 9:30:46 PM PST by thoughtomator (Fight terror - strangle a caribou!)
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To: thoughtomator

That's just what I was thinking. The nurses have been on TV saying Michael was giving her insulin - and when they recorded it in the computer, it was erased.


3 posted on 04/01/2005 9:33:13 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: thoughtomator

Uh yeah....but this implicates the parents, not her husband.


4 posted on 04/01/2005 9:33:44 PM PST by jess35
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To: Slyfox

I would tend to agree with you, but what if the parents did stick her but took blood instead to test and see if she was getting injections of some sort???


5 posted on 04/01/2005 9:34:07 PM PST by Anti-Communist MOM (Thank God the Pope doesn't live in Florida)
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To: Anti-Communist MOM

People on feeding tubes are often tested for glucose levels. Its not all that easy for someone to just walk in take a blood sample and have nobody notice that you are doing that,not to mention if you don't know what you are doing your not likely to get the blood period.


6 posted on 04/01/2005 9:38:49 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: jess35

No it doesn't. Felos pointed at the parents, but he's hardly credible. Unexplained puncture wounds back up existing allegations that Michael had repeatedly injected her with insulin in an attempt to trigger her death.


7 posted on 04/01/2005 9:39:07 PM PST by thoughtomator (Fight terror - strangle a caribou!)
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To: linn37
That could be why there were more than one mark, I'm not saying the parents are to blame and I agree with them but i would want to know if someone was injecting her with insulin.I may even goto lengths to see for myself.
8 posted on 04/01/2005 9:41:36 PM PST by Anti-Communist MOM (Thank God the Pope doesn't live in Florida)
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To: Anti-Communist MOM

You would need an order to take the sample to a lab.


9 posted on 04/01/2005 9:43:59 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: linn37
Ah, but Michael is, after all, a nurse (thanks to Terri's rehab money giving him an education. As for the Sheriff's department's investigation; was Michael an employee of the Sheriff's Department when this happened. He is now, and has been for some time, personally picked and hired by Sheriff Rice; who somehow managed to screw up the whole investigation of what happened to Terri in the first place.
I agree with what that Canadian Editorial said; "Every rock that is turned over in this case has a new conflict of interest come slithering out from under it".
10 posted on 04/01/2005 10:03:15 PM PST by Segovia (Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.)
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To: Segovia
Michael an employee of the Sheriff's Department when this happened. He is now, and has been for some time, personally picked and hired by Sheriff Rice; who somehow managed to screw up the whole investigation of what happened to Terri in the first place.

It was probably someone in the sheriff's dept who tipped off the hospice about Jeb's plan to send in the rescue squad.

I have a feeling that someone in that camp may be getting a bellyful of Herr Schiavo. There have been reports of police officers tearing up while on their post close to Terri's room.

11 posted on 04/01/2005 10:12:22 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Segovia

...was Michael an employee of the Sheriff's Department when this happened. He is now, and has been for some time, personally picked and hired by Sheriff Rice;

Schiavo was hired in late 2004, according to this:

Link

12 posted on 04/01/2005 10:52:45 PM PST by elli1
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To: elli1

the more information I read, the more outrageous this gets....state and/or federal attorney general or SOMEBODY should DO SOMETHING about all this obvious criminal activity, collusion, and cover-up.


13 posted on 04/01/2005 11:08:12 PM PST by tina07 (Bush/Cheney'04)
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To: Slyfox
I have a feeling that someone in that camp may be getting a bellyful of Herr Schiavo. There have been reports of police officers tearing up while on their post close to Terri's room.

With any luck, one of those "disgruntled" officers might decide to come clean about what he knows, and blow the lid right off that Sheriff's department. We can hope ....

14 posted on 04/01/2005 11:22:34 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

With any luck, one of those "disgruntled" officers might decide to come clean about what he knows, and blow the lid right off that Sheriff's department. We can hope ....

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If anyone actually does have the gonads to come forward, I figure it wouldn't be long before s/he wound up dead under mysterious circumstances !!!


15 posted on 04/02/2005 12:16:25 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Anti-Communist MOM

Insulin is given subcutaneously, our just under the skin ~~ a blood sample is taken from a vein. The puncture marks were on the skin, and not a vein, according to my understanding from the article.


16 posted on 04/02/2005 1:10:27 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: linn37

Not if a glucometer is used.


17 posted on 04/02/2005 1:12:36 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: Slyfox
George Felos, an attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, suggested in a news release that her parents might have stuck her repeatedly with a needle during a visit to her room earlier that day

I do that to my daughter all the time. Boy does she get hot with me. Especially when my lawyer yaps about it later. It's worth the fun though.

/major sarcasm these people are pigs barf

18 posted on 04/02/2005 1:48:24 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: Slyfox

Thanks Slyfox.

There might be some reading this page who don't know Michael Schiavo's history of reported attempted insulin injection, as reported by I believe multiple nurses. Carla Sauer's sworn affadavit, if I remember, is the most telling. Kudos to Carla, who gives a clear, strong testimony. She found insulin in the garbage after a suspicious Michael visit where Terri had a big blood sugar change, and Carla helped her back to recovery. She did report it to the police that night. When she indicated she didn't actually see visually a Michael injection they Greered it. (ie. washed their hands.. out damn spot).


19 posted on 04/02/2005 3:47:22 AM PST by praxi (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/)
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To: thoughtomator

The nurse who spoke about possible insulin injections did so re incidents in a 1996 time frame.


20 posted on 04/02/2005 5:15:12 AM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: thoughtomator

The neat thing about insulin, from the standpoint of a potential murderer, is that it is a totally natural substance, produced by the body itself, which vanishes after it interacts with blood glucose.


21 posted on 04/02/2005 5:33:40 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

It would be nice to see Congress subpoena all of them to testify to what they saw.


22 posted on 04/02/2005 5:36:34 AM PST by libstripper
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To: thoughtomator

Felos said he got his information from his client, Michael Schiavo, who could not be reached for comment.


23 posted on 04/02/2005 5:43:27 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GeekDejure

If anyone actually does have the gonads to come forward, I figure it wouldn't be long before s/he wound up dead under mysterious circumstances !!!




That is one reason I felt those nurses stepping forward was a VERY BOLD act. They are truly remarkable.


24 posted on 04/02/2005 6:41:34 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Daisy4

Unless they are using the new glucometer the marks would have been on her fingertips not her arm.


25 posted on 04/02/2005 8:24:22 AM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: elli1
Great link!

Greer has controlled the Schiavo case since 1998.

Interesting. Why? Because, not too long after that the FL state legislature passed a law making it easier for Terri to recieve a forced dehydration death sentence. Felos was undoubtedly chomping at the bit to find an unwilling victim. Preferably, one who could not talk back.

What do they call it when two or more people plan a murder in advance?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Let us all stay glued to this. Terri and her blood family deserve some justice.

26 posted on 04/02/2005 8:54:35 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: praxi

Just goes to show ya Michael doesn't have a brain in his head.... To throw an insulin vial and syringe in the garbage is really wacko... especially for him being a nurse, and then trying to hide the evidence with wads of paper over it. Syringes NEVER go in the garbage, but in a sharps container. Only a guilty person in a hurry would do something like this.


27 posted on 04/02/2005 10:28:15 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: Slyfox; All
In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

28 posted on 04/02/2005 11:47:05 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God save the rest of us.)
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To: Slyfox

When the appeals court reviewed the case, the appeals court sent the case back to Greer's court.


29 posted on 04/02/2005 4:36:17 PM PST by elli1
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To: linn37

Even with the newer glucometers which permit sample collecting on the arm, when checking for a blood glucose drop (hypoglycemia) one needs to test on the finger, because it is more vascular and the result will be more up-to-the-minute. The nurse who reported finding her sugar dangerously low after Michael's visit would certainly have stuck her finger.

Needle sticks on her arm could certainly have been caused by injecting her with insulin, which as mentioned by others, would leave no chemical trace in her blood. His trying to turn it around and blame her parents is typical of his whole approach, and a ridiculous attempt to cover his own guilt.


30 posted on 04/04/2005 2:37:33 PM PDT by Moxie18
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