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Agency Had 89 Abuse Reports on Schiavo
NewsMax.com ^ | April 2, 2005 | NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 04/02/2005 9:59:41 AM PST by Bigfitz

Florida's Department of Children and Families had received nearly 90 allegations that Michael Schiavo had abused his wife in recent years - but a Florida judge ruled yesterday that DCF summaries of those allegations must remain secret.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enough; felos; florida; greer; michael; schiavo; schindler; shesaliveinchristjim; terri
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Everyone knows that Fla. DCF has such a Steller Reputation.
1 posted on 04/02/2005 9:59:42 AM PST by Bigfitz
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To: Bigfitz

The fix is in....


2 posted on 04/02/2005 10:03:37 AM PST by Stellar Dendrite (a PROUD member of the "Blame the MSM first" crowd!!!!!)
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To: Bigfitz

So the judge refused to release the info?

Why is this news?

That's just what's expected.

Now, it would be NEWS if. . .

The media decided to cover this in the same way they covered Bush's national guard documents.

But, that might put the right-to-death movement in a bad light.

So they'll ignore it. . .


3 posted on 04/02/2005 10:04:28 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: Bigfitz
But of course everything hidden by the left must remain hidden. But when the right even steps into that "grey area" between right and wrong, the left kicks into high gear, spins it and makes sure that the issue gets global publicity.

Remember! We are the evil ones! We're the ones who oppose a woman's right to her own body! Even if that body contains the body of another woman! We're the ones who in our hateful ignorance, don't embrace diversity with the pro-death, bug chasing, homosexuals. We're the narrow minded, fundementalist Christians!

Yes...let's NOT forget these things!

I don't think it's possible to have any more contempt for the left than as of this week with the murder of Terri Schaivo.
4 posted on 04/02/2005 10:04:33 AM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: Bigfitz
It will be quite interesting if it turns out this guy was known to have been a real bastard by everyone, yet the media, DCF and judicial system colluded to keep that from the public so they could kill Terry.
5 posted on 04/02/2005 10:04:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Bigfitz

Judge Greer of course is the official in question sabotaging the abuse investigation, and ordering its vast number of allegations sealed without proper investigation.


6 posted on 04/02/2005 10:04:46 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: Bigfitz

Wow. That's all I can say.


7 posted on 04/02/2005 10:06:46 AM PST by b4its2late (When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.)
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To: Bigfitz

Welcome to FR.


8 posted on 04/02/2005 10:07:54 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Bigfitz

Uh Oh,


04.02.05
Formal Complaint Filed Against Greer in Schiavo Case

http://www.theempirejournal.com/04020503_formal_complaint_filed.htm


9 posted on 04/02/2005 10:08:04 AM PST by Maria S (Some church members who sing "Standing on the Promises" are just sitting on the premises.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Wouldn't this sort of activity by Greer be considered sufficient grounds to impeach him?


10 posted on 04/02/2005 10:08:41 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Bigfitz
During a hearing Thursday, just hours after Terri Schiavo died, DCF attorney Jennifer Lima-Smith asked Greer to keep its records sealed, saying, "It's time to end this case."

Just a few weeks ago, however, the agency was pressing for a full blown abuse probe.

That's the problem with bureaucrats these days. Now they just want to sweep it under the rug and move on. This is so ridiculous! An investigation NEEDS to be made into Michael's motives. This can't be swept under.

If it's proven that MS was abusive and had other reasons to kill his wife, then it will show that this as not merely a case of what to do with severely handicapped people. It shifts completely into a case of state assisted homicide.

11 posted on 04/02/2005 10:09:20 AM PST by peteram
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To: Bigfitz
Florida's Department of Children and Families had received nearly 90 allegations that Michael Schiavo had abused his wife in recent years - but a Florida judge ruled yesterday that DCF summaries of those allegations must remain secret

And how many of those allegations came from people that never met Terri or had a dog in the fight. For all that is made of the fact that it took Michael years to remember what she wanted, people overlook the fact that the SChindlers admitted in court that they knew Terri was in persistent vegetative state and it took them five or six days to report to the Federal Courts that Terri said "IIII waaaa..." If she really did say that dont you think they would have put that in their first series of appeals rather than their second. Only when they were out of ammunition did they decide to present that as reason to reattach feeding tube. They might as well said she got up and danced a jig.

12 posted on 04/02/2005 10:09:31 AM PST by Dave S
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To: peteram

DCF wants to end the case now to protect their butts (why didn't they do more to protect Terri?).


13 posted on 04/02/2005 10:10:57 AM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dave S
And how many of those allegations... well Dave, that's something we'd like to know too. Does it bother you at all that you won't find out? Evidently not by the post you just offered up. All the lame excuses and double-talk, yet no concern.
14 posted on 04/02/2005 10:13:23 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Bigfitz
Cautionary note:

"Florida's Department of Children and Families had received nearly 90 allegations that Michael Schiavo had abused his wife in recent years -..

This would not relate directly to the early-on suspicions that abuse by Michael may have caused her brain damage.

15 posted on 04/02/2005 10:15:13 AM PST by cookcounty (So just WHO bought insurance from Michael Schiavo's short-lived insurance company?)
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To: Bigfitz


This doesn't pass the "smell test"


16 posted on 04/02/2005 10:15:49 AM PST by Fido969
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To: DoughtyOne
Does it bother you at all that you won't find out?

Not particularly. Terri is dead. State of limitations is over. Doesnt serve any purpose other than purient interest.

17 posted on 04/02/2005 10:16:29 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Bigfitz

"Florida judge ruled yesterday that DCF summaries of those allegations must remain secret."

This is wrong, Wrong, WRONG! This judge, if it isn't Greer, needs to be impeached. The judicial system has far too much power and the judges know this and wield it like an ax. These judges need to be held accountable instead of being paid under the table to the highest bidder.

I was, am and still feel that AI needs to replace the judges. Think about all the savings. As far as penalties, just program the punishment to fit the crime. But the argument against that line of thought is that judges take into account the human factor where AI's couldn't. So, where was the human factor taken into consideration by Greer? Lord, he needs to be impeached as well as the whole judicial system.


18 posted on 04/02/2005 10:16:35 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: CondorFlight

Exactly!.....Ditto!......Amen!!!


19 posted on 04/02/2005 10:17:10 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Dave S

What a surprise...


20 posted on 04/02/2005 10:17:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Maria S
Re: Post #9 - exerpt from the article on Empire Journal:

Greer consistently refused to consider evidence of abuse, sealing the report of one investigation by the state’s Department of Children and Families on the urging of DCF chief counsel, Frank Nagatani, another a financial contributor to Greer.

Judge for yourself (no pun intended)

22 posted on 04/02/2005 10:18:54 AM PST by peteram
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To: Ohioan from Florida

PINg


23 posted on 04/02/2005 10:18:56 AM PST by tertiary01 (Terri---judged as viable by the Court of Public Opinion, which is tougher than any court of law)
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To: DoughtyOne

It bothers me.


24 posted on 04/02/2005 10:19:07 AM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: Dave S

Please lead by example and take your own advice.


25 posted on 04/02/2005 10:19:48 AM PST by tertiary01 (Terri---judged as viable by the Court of Public Opinion, which is tougher than any court of law)
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To: airborne

It should bother any human being with an IQ over room temperature. Take care bud.


26 posted on 04/02/2005 10:20:57 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: hiredhand

Ditto ditto ditto. I am still shocked that they got away with this....and completely disgusted, and angry!


27 posted on 04/02/2005 10:21:24 AM PST by Aria
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To: DoughtyOne
It will be quite interesting if it turns out this guy was known to have been a real bastard by everyone, yet the media, DCF and judicial system colluded to keep that from the public so they could kill Terry. [and the 'administration']

I pray to God that THEY all end up rotting in hospital beds for 15 years.

28 posted on 04/02/2005 10:23:04 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: Dave S
Not particularly. Terri is dead. State of limitations is over. Doesnt serve any purpose other than purient interest

Oh, it will definitely serve a purpose. It will help in getting inept judges removed who insist on ruling by personal preferences rather then using the rule of law and a bit of common sense.

29 posted on 04/02/2005 10:23:04 AM PST by JoeV1 (Democrat Party-The unlawful and corrupt leading the blind and uneducated)
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To: Dave S

As far as the "III Waaa" statement, I don't know about the courts, but I heard the lawyer talking about on talk radio within a day or two after it supposedly occured. It wasn't a secret.


31 posted on 04/02/2005 10:23:59 AM PST by DameAutour
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To: LogicalMs

Nobody mentioned evidence , just complaints. Probably from the Schindlers the nurses who didnt like him, and others who had nothing else to do except mind someone elses business. I am sure Michael just came to the hospice to beat hell out of Terri, lets not let that stop us, Lets hang him and the Judge and the coroner, and the Docotrs who said she was brain damaged, Lets hang em all and let God sort them out.


32 posted on 04/02/2005 10:24:43 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Fido969

Thought I was the only one who thought that way....


33 posted on 04/02/2005 10:25:01 AM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: JoeV1

Some responses don't need rebuttal. Here there is possible evidence of collusion to obstruct, and this guy doesn't see a need for a public airing of the details. That pretty well stands on it's own as buffoonery of the highest order.


34 posted on 04/02/2005 10:26:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Dave S
Not particularly. Terri is dead. State of limitations is over. Doesnt serve any purpose other than purient interest

Not so. As long as there is a possibility of foul play, it should be investigated. Hell - Politicians like to launch full blown investigations into nothing just to flesh out any possibility of impropriety (and to point the finger at the other party). Lots of our tax dollars go into these frivolous investigations. Now we have a situation where questions were brought up but not addressed and they want to sweep it away and move on? I don't think so.

35 posted on 04/02/2005 10:27:22 AM PST by peteram
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, and now, according to some sources, there might even be a teevee movie that makes MS look like a saint for all his "sacrifices." No doubt a book, as well.

This is beyond depressing, first because it looks like he's going to get away with it, and second because now he might get rich from it. Abuse your wife, starve her to death, make a fortune--and the judges won't release the records.


36 posted on 04/02/2005 10:30:58 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Bigfitz

(It was posted on FR last week) that Michael Schiavo was said to have been hired by the outgoing Pinellas County Sheriff as the 'Jail's RN'...

This...While Mikey was under investigation for domestic abuse
crimes against Teri...


37 posted on 04/02/2005 10:32:22 AM PST by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Dave S

Ok, then, so what's wrong with releasing the records? If you're right, Schiavo will be exonerated. If you're not....well, that might explain why they won't release them.


38 posted on 04/02/2005 10:32:36 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Hand em their arse
There is a HUGE detail missing. 90 reports of abuse? I am pretty sure that there is something very misleading about this.

I love conservative news, but when I see "NewsMax" I know to take it with a very big dose of salt.
39 posted on 04/02/2005 10:32:42 AM PST by Fido969
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To: Maria S
Her parents, Mary and Robert Schindler Sr., Terri’s siblings and her close friends, say that Terri had indicated that she was not happy in her marriage and had voiced a desire for a divorce from Michael Schiavo.

Hmmmm, I wonder why Terri's voiced desire to divorce was not given as much credit as her supposedly 'voiced' desire to off herself by dehydration.

40 posted on 04/02/2005 10:33:34 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: FormerACLUmember

Makes you wonder who Greer is covering up for. He's not just doing this for himself. What's in it for him?


41 posted on 04/02/2005 10:34:36 AM PST by Daisy4
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To: MizSterious

Yep, yep and yep...

I agree. And it's truly sad to see people drop by to slam this report for no other reason than it conflicts with the rubbish they have been trying to push during this whole sordid affair.


42 posted on 04/02/2005 10:34:50 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: cookcounty
"abused his wife in recent years

That's what makes it fishy. I'd put the brakes on running with this until I knew the whole story.

43 posted on 04/02/2005 10:34:55 AM PST by Fido969
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To: Bigfitz

If Michael Schiavo has been unfairly accused and then exonerated by the DCF report, I am sure he will be releasing the report on his own, forthwith.
In fact,he should hold a joint press conference with the DCF investigators who prepared the report,
to go over each and every accusation and the subsequent finding that each allegation was unfounded.
At least that's what an innocent man would do.
For those who say this is a personal matter- Terri was comparable to a helpless child.
If Terri had been toddler , with the same accusations, the world would be in an uproar demanding answers.
Judge Greer and Schiavo were in charge of her care.
How do you order that a person with a urinary tract infection not receive antibiotics ?
This isn't about right to die or how she was initially injured, this is about how she was ordered cared for, in the interim.
There is a serious stench about the way Schiavo/Greer ordered Terri cared for-long before Schiavo remembered that she no longer wanted to live.
It's very troubling that the hospice nurses have said that they had to sneak basic care to Terri, behind Schiavo/ Greer's back.
This could be seen as a case of de facto child abuse .
It appears that no matter how serious the allegations against the guardian, Judge Greer dismissed them out of hand and continued to give the guardian carte blanche to rule over the ward.
I just hope that if Judge Greer has appointed guardians to care for other children, he is not ignoring accusations of abuse.


44 posted on 04/02/2005 10:36:54 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Daisy4

Maybe Greer's covering up for the DCF, do you think? After all, it was the DCF who objected to releasing the records.


45 posted on 04/02/2005 10:37:03 AM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: Fido969

In recent years, there are alegations of abuse such as denying her medication for infections, dental care, etc. Perhaps that is what is meant by abuse. I don't know, but I've also read that DCFS had an investigation going on and it was shut down.


46 posted on 04/02/2005 10:38:44 AM PST by Jrabbit
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To: Fido969
Well, it would sure be nice to know the whole story, but these people seem to be more intent on covering up the story. If it was all "out here" for everyone to see, people would know the truth, either way it turns out. Funny how the people who ridicule this article don't seem at all anxious to let everyone look at the records. Maybe because in their hearts, they suspect it will get in their way of their agenda...
47 posted on 04/02/2005 10:38:59 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Fido969

Yeah, I get Newsmax updates on my blkbry and they seem either WAY behind or have news that NOBODY has broken and no one ever really follows up on...

I agree, my first thoughts were that these angels (Bob and Mary Schindler) were doing EVERYTHING in their power to find some way, any way possible to keep their daughter alive. Even after the 11th cicuit denied them the last time and they said they would no longer pursue other avenues, they did.... They could not help it, they did not want to let her be murdered and I absolutely agree with that....

But, think about it... If there were "90 ALLEGATIONS" of abuse to Terri BY Miichael, this is the first we hear of it??? It just doesn't jive to me, I guess...


48 posted on 04/02/2005 10:39:26 AM PST by Hand em their arse
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To: hiredhand

"I don't think it's possible to have any more contempt for the left than as of this week with the murder of Terri Schaivo"


I'll agree with that concerning the left media. I was surprised though at people I know on the far left who feel the same as I do on this issue. Respect for life does cross political lines sometimes


49 posted on 04/02/2005 10:40:17 AM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Dave S

She's gonna blow Dave and nothing you or anyone else can say will stop this. The truth is slowly emerging, kinda like the Bush Lied on WMD has emerged...you may want to tack away, IMO.
Helms alee! Helms alee!


50 posted on 04/02/2005 10:40:48 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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