Posted on 04/02/2005 11:57:08 AM PST by CitizenM
Edited on 04/03/2005 6:40:57 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
JP I, the Smiling Pope served for 33 days. No autopsy, death listed as heart attack.
Thanks. I remember Lech Walesa kneeling and praying next to Ronald Reagan's casket in the Rotunda. It was very touching.
Well, I meant "died pretty quickly." preview, preview, preview
It would begin at sunset. I don't know exactly when the sun set in Rome, but the Pope died at 9:27pm local Rome time. That means the sun had set and it was Divine Mercy Sunday. It is quite fitting that the Almighty Father would call JPII home on Divine Mercy Sunday given that JPII had established it.
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The Holy Father spoke to the great moral questions of the day, and was a consistent voice in favour of life. It was his last official act to speak up for Terri, and it shows that his moral message did not fade, even as his health did.
You can find that disgusting, I find it a testament to the strength of his principles.
Ivan
Thanks for the info!
John Paul the First left his medications for his heart condition back in Venice. It's not my intention to criticise a former Pope, but I would like to ask him: "What were you thinking?"
Regards, Ivan
You're correct. Why did you post it?
I know, I know I was just messin' with ya'!!! I'm pretty sure that it was listed as a heart attack, but there is ALOT of conspiracy crap surrounding it... But, in a nutshell if you want to ignore conspiracy theories... Heart Attack..
You said it. Chris Matthews was making comments about the Pope, how he was "too conservative" by (paraphrase) "not continuing with the reforms of Vatican II" such as giving women more of a role in the Church, etc.
I believe it was the NY Times who mentioned that the Pope was "conservative" in not allowing women to be ordained into the Priesthood. M. Kondracke said the same last night on Special Report with Brit Hume.
Expect to see a lot of that clamor in the next few days and months by the same media, who will pride themselves in becoming experts on papal succession and also on knowing the nuances of the Roman Catholic Church. The same media which has castigated the Church will now become "experts" on the Church.
Seems you are the one to bring politics into the subject.
As a lifelong Catholic, I vaguely remember JP coming to the Papacy when in Kindergarten. Basically, he is all I have ever known as Pope.
We all knew this day was coming, and it doesn't make it any easier. What makes it easier is the life he lived and the reward he has gone to. If JP didn't make it to heaven, I hate to think what my chances are :)
To my fellow Catholics, we must remember John Paul's favorite saying: 'Be not afraid.' I am definitely not afraid knowing what a leader we had in him, I am not afraid because I know he is enjoying rest from his labors, and I am not afraid because I know that my Savior still lives.
To all non-Catholics: thank you for your kind words. This was a man of God, and you don't have to be one of the faithful of the Church to see it. We mourn his loss, we celebrate his life, and we anticipate the future as we look forward to a new leader.
Well done, good and faithful servant, John Paul II.
Awesome, thanks to both of you!!!
Didn't know that about JP I--thanks.
Pope John Paul II speaks to Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi during a private audience at the Vatican in this Nov. 4, 2004 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Plinio Lepri, pool)
File photo of Pope John Paul II resting his hand on an Algonquin Indian while visiting with natives during a tour of Canada, on September 10, 1984. Pope John Paul II, the Pole who headed the Roman Catholic Church for 26 years and played a key role in the fall of communism in Europe, died on Saturday evening, the Vatican announced. He was 84. REUTERS/Andy Clark/FILE
File photo of U.S. President George Bush applauds Pope John Paul II after a welcoming ceremony prior to their audience at the Vatican, on November 8, 1991. Pope John Paul II, the Pole who headed the Roman Catholic Church for 26 years and played a key role in the fall of communism in Europe, died on Saturday evening, the Vatican announced. He was 84. REUTERS/Rick Wilking/FILE
Pope John Paul II sits between Islamic Higher Committee member Sheikh Taysir Tamimi, right, and Israel's Chief Rabbi Israel Meir Lau, during an Interfaith gathering at the Notre Dame Roman Catholic Institution in Jerusalem, Thursday March 23, 2000. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Arturo Mari, Pool)
U.S. President George W. Bush meets with Pope John Paul II at the Vatican, in this May 28, 2002 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photos/Doug Mills, File)
Mexican President Vicente Fox speaks with Pope John Paul II after the Pope's arrival to Mexico City in this July 30, 2002 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Claudio Cruz)
Pope John Paul II, right, and Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, meet at the Vatican in this June 5, 2000 file photo. Man in background is unidentified. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Paul Hanna, Pool)
Archbishop Christodoulos, leader of Greece's Orthodox Church, right, greets Pope John Paul II at the entrance of the Athens Archdiocese in Athens, Greece in this May 4, 2001 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Eurokinissi, Christos Bonis)
Britain's Queen Elizabeth II and Pope John Paul II exchange gifts at the Vatican in this Oct. 17 2000 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Alessandro Bianchi, Pool)
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat kisses Pope John Paul II's hand prior to their talks at the Vatican in this Feb. 15, 2000 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday, April 2, 2005 in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Vatican/Arturo Mari)
Pope John Paul II, right, and Tibet's exiled spiritual leader the Dalai Lama hugh each other as they meet during the closing ceremony of the Interreligious Assembly in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, in this Oct. 28, 1999 file photo.Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005, in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Arturo Mari, File)
Pope John Paul II listens as Fidel Castro makes remarks upon arrival at Jose Marti Airport in Havana, Cuba in this Jan. 21, 1998 photo, during a welcoming ceremony for a historic five-day visit. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005, in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Domenico Stinellis, File)
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President Bill Clinton greets Pope John Paul II during ceremonies on their arrival at Newark International Airport in Newark, N.J. in this Oct. 4, 1995 file photo. Air Force One is seen at background left. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005, in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens, File)
Pope John Paul II is welcomed by South African President Nelson Mandela, right, upon his arrival at Johannesburg airport at the start of his first official visit to South Africa in this Sept. 16, 1995 file photo. (AP Photo/Pool, File)
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President Reagan shakes hands with Pope John Paul II on the podium at Miami International Airport, Fla., in this Sept. 10, 1987 file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005, in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Bob Daugherty, File)
Pope John Paul II holds his arm around Mother Teresa as they ride in the Popemobile outside the Home of the Dying in Calcutta, India in this Feb. 1986 file photo file photo. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005, in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/File)
Pope John Paul II, is seen in this Aug. 29, 1985, file photo with Princess Diana and Prince Charles on occasion of their private audience at the Vatican. Pope John Paul II, the Polish pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church for more than a quarter century and became history's most-traveled pope, died Saturday night, April 2, 2005, in his Vatican apartment. He was 84. (AP Photo/Vatican, Arturo Mari)
Was it Chris Matthews who said that or Morton Kondrake?
I have set up a memorial for the Pope at http://rememberedbyus.com/PopeJohnPaulII/Please visit and light a candle and leave a personal message.
My first memorial was for Ronald Reagan http://rememberedbyus.com/RonaldReagan/ and Freepers and others have lit almost 5000 candles for the Gipper.
I hope that you will give the same level of response for Pope John Paul. I thank you in advance for your visit.
See the post I responded to.
In all fairness, Pope John Paul II made the greater contribution. He reached out in a way that Reagan could not possibly do, and made the fall of Communism peaceful. In fact, Poland could and would become free without Lech Walesa and Solidarity, but without Karol Wojtola (his birth name), none of this would have been possible. The Cold War would have eventually ended, but not as hastily and not without much bloodshed. Poland was heavily entrenched in Communism when he became Pope, and his ascendancy became the hope of the Polish people that they had made it in the world, and that freedom was their birthright. He also tightly balanced the goal of freedom with preventing outright revolt against the communist government, which would precipitate a soviet invasion. Because their previous cultural, military and political leadership (which was ethnic Lithuanian predominately anyway) was wiped out in the Katyn massacre, it took the Pope (who inspired Walesa) to set the liberation of Poland in motion. He was not only the Holy Father of the Catholic Church, but he truly was the Father of modern democratic Poland.
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