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Schiavo 's parents sought, were denied own expert to observed autopsy
Tampa Bay's 10 ^ | April 2, 2005 | AP

Posted on 04/02/2005 7:17:15 PM PST by FairOpinion

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Legal setbacks for Terri Schiavo's parents continue even after the brain-damaged woman's death.

The Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office denied the parents' request to have independent medical experts observe Schiavo's autopsy has been denied.

Over their seven-years-long legal battle, Bob and Mary Schindler sought independent investigation of their daughter's condition. They wanted to select a neuropathologist and a forensic expert to observe her autopsy.

The autopsy was completed yesterday. Results are not expected for several weeks.

Terri Schiavo's body was cremated today. Her husband plans to bury her remains in a family plot in Pennsylvania. He is required to tell the Schindlers about any memorial services he plans for her, and where the ashes are interred.

The Schindlers have planned their own memorial service for their daughter Tuesday night in Gulfport.


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I don't understand why did the Florida ME deny their request. They wanted a well known expert to just be present. I think the article is biased, because they failed to point out who the expert was that Terri's parents wanted to bring in, because he is indeed a recognized expert.

Terri Schiavo Cremated, Schindlers Denied Autopsy Reviewer

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"The Schindlers hoped to have an independent expert observe the autopsy. They wanted to bring in Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, the well-known forensic pathologist and coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.

Wecht told the Schindlers he would observe an autopsy, but Schindler attorney David Gibbs told Reuters Saturday that the Pinellas County Medical Examiner's office refused their request."

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1 posted on 04/02/2005 7:17:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Pinellas County Medical Examiner:
" Wow. This was so easy. I kept the Schindlers' observer away from the post
and simply used Terri's official Pinellas County Autopsy report
which Judge Greer gave me last week after he defied the Executive and Legislative branches.
Let me assure you that Judge Greer's report
which was written BEFORE we burnt all the evidence
says absolutely positively nothing about abuse.
Everything was normal. Honest. [wink]
"

2 posted on 04/02/2005 7:22:28 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: FairOpinion

I am afraid that that is one horribly corrupt county.


3 posted on 04/02/2005 7:24:33 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

I am afraid that you are right! How can "this" happen?
It's a National atrocity!


4 posted on 04/02/2005 7:28:00 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: FairOpinion

Terri never had a chance to be heard, because she could not speak nor were her parents plight heard. Perhaps now, in her death, her voice is at last being heard, throughout the entire US, and the world.


5 posted on 04/02/2005 7:31:02 PM PST by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4

"Even a convicted murderer gets their last meal on the same day they die."-Paloma_55

HEALTHFUL DRINKS WITH WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDGE GREER
Subhuman scumbag Torturer and Murderer-At-Will Pinellas County uncertified Judgenfuhrer Greer ..... 65
..................................................................... Terri Shiavo 0
...................................................................... Lee Malvo 49
................................................................. Scott Peterson 48

INDICTMENT 9 (applicable to Pinellas County)
" 9. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed war crimes, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so-called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including nationals of German-occupied countries. This program involved the systematic and secret execution of the aged, insane, incurably ill, of deformed children, and other persons, by gas, lethal injections, and diverse other means in nursing homes, hospitals, and asylums. Such persons were regarded as "useless eaters" and a burden to the German war machine. The relatives of these victims were informed that they died from natural causes, such as heart failure. German doctors involved in the "euthanasia" program were also sent to Eastern occupied countries to assist in the mass extermination of Jews."

[ Count 2, section 9, of the indictment in "the Doctor's Trial" at the Nuremberg war crimes trial;
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
]

Official flag of Pinellas county, Florida - The State of Human Torture and Prolonged Starvation

6 posted on 04/02/2005 7:37:32 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: FairOpinion

I heard Dr. Wecht on Jim Quinn's radio show on Friday morning, he stated on the air that he asked for "professional courtesy" to observe the autopsy and was denied.


7 posted on 04/02/2005 7:37:49 PM PST by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: FairOpinion
Does anyone think that with all the important people.. Jeb, the judiciary, the congress critters (state and fed), George Bush involved that a forensic reviewer would be allowed in? Any finding Terri was brutalized (recent or past) or suffered was as bad for all them as for Michael Schaivo.

Sadly everyone thinks that this should just go away like Terri... only faster. It was never to be. To much on the line for everyone involved.

I think only the Schindler's and many of us wanted this to be reviewed or spoken of again.
8 posted on 04/02/2005 7:40:01 PM PST by JSteff
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To: FairOpinion

Of course they did. They are hiding something. The autopsy will be BOGUS and will be used to convince people Terri should have been STARVED, DEHYDRATED and CREMATED.


9 posted on 04/02/2005 7:42:09 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: FairOpinion
The Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office denied the parents' request to have independent medical experts observe Schiavo's autopsy has been denied.

Whoever writes copy for the AP needs to go back to school...

10 posted on 04/02/2005 7:44:36 PM PST by WBurgVACon (Proud member Tau Kappa Epsilon - along with Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jeff Head

Clearwater,Florida is the world headquarters for the church of scientology which has a dogmatic love and obsession with euthanasia and believe that disabled people have no essential value.

the Florida Bar Assn is on very cozy terms with the COS,and they hold their annual meetings in the church's ft. harrison hotel

http://libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_and_terri_schindler_schiavo_death_connection.html


11 posted on 04/02/2005 7:45:00 PM PST by kingattax
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To: JSteff

I think you're right and it's very, very sad. The powers that be obviously didn't want to give anyone anytime to get someone else in there either.


12 posted on 04/02/2005 7:45:41 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: FairOpinion

I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case.


13 posted on 04/02/2005 7:45:50 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: TAdams8591
This is outrageous and calls for some heads to roll. Needs thorough investigation and stiff punishments. God help us if rats and death merchants succeed! The pendulum has already swung waaaay too far!!!
14 posted on 04/02/2005 7:46:02 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: FairOpinion

I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case.


15 posted on 04/02/2005 7:46:09 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: harpo11

oops, sorry for double post.


16 posted on 04/02/2005 7:46:37 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Very MUCH Agreed.

Please call Tom Delay's office, Monday!

17 posted on 04/02/2005 7:48:07 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Diogenesis
I am/was 100% behind the Schindlers in their effort to save their daughter from dying of dehydration and starvation. But please cut it out with these over the top Nazi analogies. There was no effort here to exterminate a race of people. It was one person who unfortunately for her had a rotten husband and a bad judge. It was a "perfect storm" of everything going against Terri.

It is disgusting that she was put to death in such a manner. A tragedy. But you are over the top in your Holocaust analogy. 6 million Jews were murdered because they were Jewish. There may be a "slippery slope" aspect here, I'll grant you that. But you make your argument irrelevant with this stuff.

18 posted on 04/02/2005 7:49:49 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: TAdams8591

The county ME will whitewash the entire case and cover the local judge's butt by submitting a benign report.

Greer gives new meaning to "the law is an ass".


19 posted on 04/02/2005 7:51:53 PM PST by Voir Dire
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To: FairOpinion

If the Coroner tries to cover up for Greer, I think he is going to regret it. Whether or not anyone is actually fired or impeached, these people are succeeding in ruining their reputations forever.


20 posted on 04/02/2005 7:52:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoCar
Not a race, just a class: the disabled, who are considered to be living lives that are not worth living.
21 posted on 04/02/2005 7:52:30 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: harpo11

"I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case."

I hope he does.

BTW, I just found this excellent Ann Coulter article on the murder of Terri. It was posted a few days ago, but I missed it. If anyone else missed it, be sure to read it.


The emperor's new robes [Ann Coulter on the death of Terri Schiavo]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1374179/posts

Also on the pro-killing side are conservatives still pissed off about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 who are desperately hoping to be elected "most consistent constitutionalist" by their local Federalist Society chapters.

You can't grow peanuts on your own land or install a toilet capable of disposing two tissues in one flush because of federal government intervention. But Congress demands a review of the process that goes into a governmental determination to kill an innocent American woman – and that goes too far!

It's not a radical extension of current constitutional doctrines – even the legitimate ones! – for the federal government to assert a constitutional right to life that cannot be denied without due process of law under the Fifth and 14th Amendments. Congress didn't ask for much, just the same due process John Wayne Gacy got.

But people even stupider than lawyers have picked up on the vague rumblings from "most consistent constitutionalist" aspirants and begun to claim that Congress' action is an affront to "limited government."

Of course, the most limited of all possible governments is a king. We don't have that sort of "limited government." What we have is divided government: three branches of government at the federal level and 50 states with their own versions of checks and balances.

Or at least that was the government designed for us by men smarter than we are. We haven't had that sort of government for decades.

Alexander Hamilton's famous last words in "The Federalist" described the judiciary as the "least dangerous branch," because it had neither force nor will. Now the judiciary is the most dangerous branch. It doesn't need force because it has smoke and mirrors and a lot of people defending the moronic scribblings of any judge as the perfect efflorescence of "the rule of law."

This week, an indisputably innocent woman will be killed by the government for one reason: Judge Greer of Pinellas County, Fla., ordered it.

Polls claim that a majority of Americans objected to action by the U.S. Congress in the Schiavo case as "government intrusion" into a "private family matter" – as if Judge Greer is not also the government. So twisted is our view of the judiciary that a judicial decree is treated like a naturally occurring phenomenon, like a rainbow or an act of God.

Our infallible, divine ruler is a county judge in Florida named George Greer, who has more authority in America than the U.S. Congress, the president and the governor. No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church!

It's a good system if you like monarchy and legally sanctioned murder. But spare me the paeans to "strict constructionism" and "limited government."



22 posted on 04/02/2005 7:54:25 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: SoCar

I think Diogenisis is right on the mark.

It has been well established that the German death machine began with Euthanasia, and moved on from there. First it was the useless eaters, and eventually it was the Jews. Also Gypsies, Poles, and others who were considered to be useless.


23 posted on 04/02/2005 7:54:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FairOpinion
The Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office denied the parents' request to have independent medical experts observe Schiavo's autopsy has been denied.

From a Reuter's story filed today:

Michael Schiavo's lawyer George Felos said that his client hoped an autopsy would dispel doubts that he was trying to hide something by seeking to cremate his wife's body.

I would guess the Pinellas County Medical Examiner's decision guarantees their secret autopsy will not dispel anything.  Especially now that the body has been cremated.

The ME must be incompetent.  Otherwise, they would have extended professional courtesy to the Schindler's forensic pathologist, Dr..Wecht.  Clearly, they do not want a recognized pathologist/corner looking at whatever it is they don't want seen.

24 posted on 04/02/2005 7:56:13 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: MizSterious
The judge took the word of Terri's husband that she did not want to live this way. I didn't believe that but Greer did. There is no effort underway to exterminate disabled people. Though I also agree that it is an ominous sign that we would allow Terri to die this way. Can we please not post photos of Concentration Camp victims? That was an atrocity unto itself and invoking it will not help our side gather supporters. It is over the top. IMHO.
25 posted on 04/02/2005 7:56:47 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: Cicero

It is the Pinellas County ME who did the autopsy. I think the whole county is rotten to the core.


26 posted on 04/02/2005 7:56:55 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: harpo11
I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case.

Without a body, that'll be a hard thing to do.

27 posted on 04/02/2005 7:57:46 PM PST by Nita Nupress (Let's get back to Hillery, please.)
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To: SoCar

If you believe that, the shyster Felos has a nice bridge to sell you.


28 posted on 04/02/2005 8:00:05 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Diogenesis
In Honor of Terri Schiavo

Please let it load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

Hats off to the invisib1e hand for his dedication and hard work.

29 posted on 04/02/2005 8:04:08 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: MizSterious
If you believe that, the shyster Felos has a nice bridge to sell you

Believe what? I don't believe anything that scum Felos has to say. I simply don't like the concentration camp pictures and the Nazi flag analogies. It's awful, but not the same. She was allowed to die this way because people were convinced that she was already "dead" and would have preferred not to exist this way. I do not agree and think it's horrible. Especially when a loving family wanted to care for her. But Nazi Germany it is not.

30 posted on 04/02/2005 8:07:15 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: FairOpinion
Wonderful post, and thank you for Ann Coulter's article.

Another observation, the Supreme Court is interferring with parental rights to take care of their children's medical needs. The government schools have been given at federal mandate that children age 12 and older can seek medical attention without their parent's permission.

Now I ask, is this not another example of the Feds getting involved in our homes?

31 posted on 04/02/2005 8:08:13 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: Cicero

Absolutely. It's a dark and craven road the State of Florida's Judiciary has embarked upon.


32 posted on 04/02/2005 8:11:00 PM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: SoCar
It was one person who unfortunately for her had a rotten husband and a bad judge. It was a "perfect storm" of everything going against Terri.

No, there's more to it than that. I don't know exactly how much more, but there's something very big and very evil behind the effort. Considering that it was necessary to pass new legislation to authorize Terri's execution, I don't think people would be going through so much trouble to kill Terri if they weren't expecting their efforts to clear the way for many more killings.

The new killing program in this country isn't going to be based on race, but unless something is done to stop it, an age-based killing program will be gearing up within the next few decades.

33 posted on 04/02/2005 8:11:58 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: FairOpinion

Let me guess the Pinellas county ME is part of the Mike Schaivo conspiracy too? Please she's dead move on.


34 posted on 04/02/2005 8:13:14 PM PST by StoneColdTaxHater
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To: SoCar

How many bodies then would it take to convince you that he (Diogenesis) is not over the top?

Judge Greer did his evil deed under the law and in broad daylight in front of the whole nation. That is something even Hitler never accomplished, although he was planning on making it "legal" after the war was won.


35 posted on 04/02/2005 8:15:20 PM PST by planekT
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To: StoneColdTaxHater

So why didn't he allow Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, the well-known forensic pathologist and coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, to observe the autopsy? Considering everything, one would think he would welcome an independent observer -- unless he wants to hide something.


36 posted on 04/02/2005 8:16:56 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
I don't understand why did the Florida ME deny their request.

Maybe the ME didn't want the autopsy to turn into a circus...
37 posted on 04/02/2005 8:18:12 PM PST by ReeWalker
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To: ReeWalker

How is allowing Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, the well-known forensic pathologist and coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, to observe the autopsy "a circus".

Please explain.


38 posted on 04/02/2005 8:19:23 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: supercat
There may be more to it as you suggest. I also am suspicious of some cozy relationships going on in Pinellas County. But Nazi Germany analogies turn people off to the facts and close their minds to just how horrific this was. IMHO.
39 posted on 04/02/2005 8:19:34 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: ReeWalker

Maybe they didn't want their evil circus of death to be turned into an autopsy.

Maybe?


40 posted on 04/02/2005 8:20:40 PM PST by planekT
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To: SoCar
Evidently we have been having some genocide going on in our own country. This case wasn't the first. This time it's not about race. It's about money and those who are deemed inconvenient to their families or society. It started with those deemed unfit in Germany. The Jews were targeted later.

Distasteful though it is, the horrible reminders are relevant.

41 posted on 04/02/2005 8:24:58 PM PST by Aliska (Theresa Marie Schindler, December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005, Never Forget)
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To: planekT
Judge Greer was able to order this because it exists in the law an assumption that the husband (or spouse) is the one to make these decisions. Because there were other witnesses besides Michael (all Shiavos which should have been a factor but wasn't) to Terri saying she'd want to die, and the Doctors appointed saying she was in PVS, this was allowed to happen.

It was evil and wrong. But occurred more in a "loophole" of the law and because of bad circumstances for Terri. Such as big $ for Michael to hire to best lawyers and pro bono novices for the Schindlers. Combined with a pro death Judge Greer.

It all sucks but is not Nazi Germany. Not even close.

42 posted on 04/02/2005 8:26:45 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: FairOpinion
Coz Dr. Cyril H. Wecht is a media hound..He's been on almost every news/talk show there is. And he's in a bit of hot water in PA.
43 posted on 04/02/2005 8:27:15 PM PST by ReeWalker
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To: Voir Dire

Absolutely.


44 posted on 04/02/2005 8:27:17 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Aliska

This was evil and wrong but I do not believe that we have a genocide going on in this country. I respect your belief that we do but I see no proof of it.


45 posted on 04/02/2005 8:29:06 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: SoCar

"It all sucks but is not Nazi Germany. Not even close."


Not YET...

First the brain damaged, then the slightly brain damaged, then the disabled, then the "elderly" and that could be defined as anyone over 40, as the Supreme Court just decided in their allowing age discrimination suits, then those who are a trouble to the government, and on it goes.

I certainly hope we won't get to that, but nobody would have imagined, when Hitler got elected, how it will end up either.

The statements about Nazi-like behavior does NOT in any way intended to diminish the horrors of the Holocaust, it is pointing out the slippery slope.


46 posted on 04/02/2005 8:32:39 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: kingattax

that is one SCARY link!!! Eeeks........I wouldn't live in the state of Florida if someone paid me to do so!!!!


47 posted on 04/02/2005 8:33:29 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: ReeWalker

So Cyril is a media hound. Big deal. What have they got to hide?


48 posted on 04/02/2005 8:33:42 PM PST by SoCar (Refugee from NJ)
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To: harpo11
I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case.

what are the chances that this will be done? where did you hear this?

49 posted on 04/02/2005 8:34:34 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: FairOpinion

Are "guest" examiners common?


50 posted on 04/02/2005 8:37:37 PM PST by eddie willers (Charter Member of the WPPFF)
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