Skip to comments.Schiavo 's parents sought, were denied own expert to observed autopsy
Posted on 04/02/2005 7:17:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Legal setbacks for Terri Schiavo's parents continue even after the brain-damaged woman's death.
The Pinellas County Medical Examiner's Office denied the parents' request to have independent medical experts observe Schiavo's autopsy has been denied.
Over their seven-years-long legal battle, Bob and Mary Schindler sought independent investigation of their daughter's condition. They wanted to select a neuropathologist and a forensic expert to observe her autopsy.
The autopsy was completed yesterday. Results are not expected for several weeks.
Terri Schiavo's body was cremated today. Her husband plans to bury her remains in a family plot in Pennsylvania. He is required to tell the Schindlers about any memorial services he plans for her, and where the ashes are interred.
The Schindlers have planned their own memorial service for their daughter Tuesday night in Gulfport.
"The Schindlers hoped to have an independent expert observe the autopsy. They wanted to bring in Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, the well-known forensic pathologist and coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
Wecht told the Schindlers he would observe an autopsy, but Schindler attorney David Gibbs told Reuters Saturday that the Pinellas County Medical Examiner's office refused their request."
Pinellas County Medical Examiner:
" Wow. This was so easy. I kept the Schindlers' observer away from the post
and simply used Terri's official Pinellas County Autopsy report
which Judge Greer gave me last week after he defied the Executive and Legislative branches.
Let me assure you that Judge Greer's report
which was written BEFORE we burnt all the evidence
says absolutely positively nothing about abuse.
Everything was normal. Honest. [wink]"
I am afraid that that is one horribly corrupt county.
I am afraid that you are right! How can "this" happen?
It's a National atrocity!
Terri never had a chance to be heard, because she could not speak nor were her parents plight heard. Perhaps now, in her death, her voice is at last being heard, throughout the entire US, and the world.
HEALTHFUL DRINKS WITH WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDGE GREER
Subhuman scumbag Torturer and Murderer-At-Will Pinellas County Judgenfuhrer Greer ..... 65
..................................................................... Terri Shiavo 0
...................................................................... Lee Malvo 49
................................................................. Scott Peterson 48
INDICTMENT 9 (applicable to Pinellas County)
" 9. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed war crimes, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so-called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including nationals of German-occupied countries. This program involved the systematic and secret execution of the aged, insane, incurably ill, of deformed children, and other persons, by gas, lethal injections, and diverse other means in nursing homes, hospitals, and asylums. Such persons were regarded as "useless eaters" and a burden to the German war machine. The relatives of these victims were informed that they died from natural causes, such as heart failure. German doctors involved in the "euthanasia" program were also sent to Eastern occupied countries to assist in the mass extermination of Jews."
Official flag of Pinellas county, Florida - The State of Human Torture and Prolonged Starvation
I heard Dr. Wecht on Jim Quinn's radio show on Friday morning, he stated on the air that he asked for "professional courtesy" to observe the autopsy and was denied.
Of course they did. They are hiding something. The autopsy will be BOGUS and will be used to convince people Terri should have been STARVED, DEHYDRATED and CREMATED.
Whoever writes copy for the AP needs to go back to school...
Clearwater,Florida is the world headquarters for the church of scientology which has a dogmatic love and obsession with euthanasia and believe that disabled people have no essential value.
the Florida Bar Assn is on very cozy terms with the COS,and they hold their annual meetings in the church's ft. harrison hotel
I think you're right and it's very, very sad. The powers that be obviously didn't want to give anyone anytime to get someone else in there either.
I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case.
I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case.
oops, sorry for double post.
Please call Tom Delay's office, Monday!
It is disgusting that she was put to death in such a manner. A tragedy. But you are over the top in your Holocaust analogy. 6 million Jews were murdered because they were Jewish. There may be a "slippery slope" aspect here, I'll grant you that. But you make your argument irrelevant with this stuff.
The county ME will whitewash the entire case and cover the local judge's butt by submitting a benign report.
Greer gives new meaning to "the law is an ass".
If the Coroner tries to cover up for Greer, I think he is going to regret it. Whether or not anyone is actually fired or impeached, these people are succeeding in ruining their reputations forever.
"I heard today that there is a move to ask Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint an independent counsel to investigate Terri's case."
I hope he does.
BTW, I just found this excellent Ann Coulter article on the murder of Terri. It was posted a few days ago, but I missed it. If anyone else missed it, be sure to read it.
The emperor's new robes [Ann Coulter on the death of Terri Schiavo]
Also on the pro-killing side are conservatives still pissed off about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 who are desperately hoping to be elected "most consistent constitutionalist" by their local Federalist Society chapters.
You can't grow peanuts on your own land or install a toilet capable of disposing two tissues in one flush because of federal government intervention. But Congress demands a review of the process that goes into a governmental determination to kill an innocent American woman and that goes too far!
It's not a radical extension of current constitutional doctrines even the legitimate ones! for the federal government to assert a constitutional right to life that cannot be denied without due process of law under the Fifth and 14th Amendments. Congress didn't ask for much, just the same due process John Wayne Gacy got.
But people even stupider than lawyers have picked up on the vague rumblings from "most consistent constitutionalist" aspirants and begun to claim that Congress' action is an affront to "limited government."
Of course, the most limited of all possible governments is a king. We don't have that sort of "limited government." What we have is divided government: three branches of government at the federal level and 50 states with their own versions of checks and balances.
Or at least that was the government designed for us by men smarter than we are. We haven't had that sort of government for decades.
Alexander Hamilton's famous last words in "The Federalist" described the judiciary as the "least dangerous branch," because it had neither force nor will. Now the judiciary is the most dangerous branch. It doesn't need force because it has smoke and mirrors and a lot of people defending the moronic scribblings of any judge as the perfect efflorescence of "the rule of law."
This week, an indisputably innocent woman will be killed by the government for one reason: Judge Greer of Pinellas County, Fla., ordered it.
Polls claim that a majority of Americans objected to action by the U.S. Congress in the Schiavo case as "government intrusion" into a "private family matter" as if Judge Greer is not also the government. So twisted is our view of the judiciary that a judicial decree is treated like a naturally occurring phenomenon, like a rainbow or an act of God.
Our infallible, divine ruler is a county judge in Florida named George Greer, who has more authority in America than the U.S. Congress, the president and the governor. No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church!
It's a good system if you like monarchy and legally sanctioned murder. But spare me the paeans to "strict constructionism" and "limited government."
I think Diogenisis is right on the mark.
It has been well established that the German death machine began with Euthanasia, and moved on from there. First it was the useless eaters, and eventually it was the Jews. Also Gypsies, Poles, and others who were considered to be useless.
From a Reuter's story filed today:
Michael Schiavo's lawyer George Felos said that his client hoped an autopsy would dispel doubts that he was trying to hide something by seeking to cremate his wife's body.
I would guess the Pinellas County Medical Examiner's decision guarantees their secret autopsy will not dispel anything. Especially now that the body has been cremated.
The ME must be incompetent. Otherwise, they would have extended professional courtesy to the Schindler's forensic pathologist, Dr..Wecht. Clearly, they do not want a recognized pathologist/corner looking at whatever it is they don't want seen.
It is the Pinellas County ME who did the autopsy. I think the whole county is rotten to the core.
Without a body, that'll be a hard thing to do.
If you believe that, the shyster Felos has a nice bridge to sell you.
Please let it load -- it's 11 mb.
Have headphones or sound on.
Believe what? I don't believe anything that scum Felos has to say. I simply don't like the concentration camp pictures and the Nazi flag analogies. It's awful, but not the same. She was allowed to die this way because people were convinced that she was already "dead" and would have preferred not to exist this way. I do not agree and think it's horrible. Especially when a loving family wanted to care for her. But Nazi Germany it is not.
Another observation, the Supreme Court is interferring with parental rights to take care of their children's medical needs. The government schools have been given at federal mandate that children age 12 and older can seek medical attention without their parent's permission.
Now I ask, is this not another example of the Feds getting involved in our homes?
Absolutely. It's a dark and craven road the State of Florida's Judiciary has embarked upon.
No, there's more to it than that. I don't know exactly how much more, but there's something very big and very evil behind the effort. Considering that it was necessary to pass new legislation to authorize Terri's execution, I don't think people would be going through so much trouble to kill Terri if they weren't expecting their efforts to clear the way for many more killings.
The new killing program in this country isn't going to be based on race, but unless something is done to stop it, an age-based killing program will be gearing up within the next few decades.
Let me guess the Pinellas county ME is part of the Mike Schaivo conspiracy too? Please she's dead move on.
How many bodies then would it take to convince you that he (Diogenesis) is not over the top?
Judge Greer did his evil deed under the law and in broad daylight in front of the whole nation. That is something even Hitler never accomplished, although he was planning on making it "legal" after the war was won.
So why didn't he allow Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, the well-known forensic pathologist and coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, to observe the autopsy? Considering everything, one would think he would welcome an independent observer -- unless he wants to hide something.
How is allowing Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, the well-known forensic pathologist and coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, to observe the autopsy "a circus".
Maybe they didn't want their evil circus of death to be turned into an autopsy.
Distasteful though it is, the horrible reminders are relevant.
It was evil and wrong. But occurred more in a "loophole" of the law and because of bad circumstances for Terri. Such as big $ for Michael to hire to best lawyers and pro bono novices for the Schindlers. Combined with a pro death Judge Greer.
It all sucks but is not Nazi Germany. Not even close.
This was evil and wrong but I do not believe that we have a genocide going on in this country. I respect your belief that we do but I see no proof of it.
"It all sucks but is not Nazi Germany. Not even close."
First the brain damaged, then the slightly brain damaged, then the disabled, then the "elderly" and that could be defined as anyone over 40, as the Supreme Court just decided in their allowing age discrimination suits, then those who are a trouble to the government, and on it goes.
I certainly hope we won't get to that, but nobody would have imagined, when Hitler got elected, how it will end up either.
The statements about Nazi-like behavior does NOT in any way intended to diminish the horrors of the Holocaust, it is pointing out the slippery slope.
that is one SCARY link!!! Eeeks........I wouldn't live in the state of Florida if someone paid me to do so!!!!
So Cyril is a media hound. Big deal. What have they got to hide?
what are the chances that this will be done? where did you hear this?
Are "guest" examiners common?
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