Posted on 04/03/2005 10:19:56 AM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
Arinze sounds like a terrific candidate, although the person to watch in all of this is Jean-Marie Lustiger, the former Archbishop of Paris, i.e. 'Glory of the Olive'.
"Where is the discussion about how reliably orthodox their beliefs are?"
Uh, see above, his remarks at Georgetown.
His orthodoxy is right. That he is dynamic, from Africa, and would help spread the Church to all parts of the world are just the icing on the cake.
Now, yeah - there will be racists, both Catholic and non-Catholic who will piss and moan (along with libs that hate that he is conservative). That would be too bad - for them.
It's possible that one or more of the three early African popes were black, but more likely they were coastal North Africans, descendants of the Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and other basically white people who lived there.
If Cardinal Arinze is elected pope, the media will hate him more than they hate Clarence Thomas, but they would have a hell of a time (phrase deliberately used) demonizing him (also deliberately used). He is very warm, outgoing, and likeable.
Thanks to you all too. Very interesting, but Pittsburgh, your St. Victor I looks a wee bit modern to me. The Pope in the hood?
Not sure, but as hubby said: nobody's got bling like the Pope's got bling!
they don't even play good basketball any more
just like Notre Dame and football....
If Arinze is chosen, he might use a name of an earlier African pope, or the name of an important African saint who wasn't pope, like Augustinus, Athanasius, or Cyprianus (bishop of Carthage, martyred in 258). Cyrillus is another name with African associations--St. Cyril of Alexandria was a major figure in the fifth century (and "pope" in the sense of Patriarch of Alexandria, since that title is given to the current Coptic patriarch).
"That church off to the side looks awfully 20th-century to me..."
Yes, extremely, now that you point it out. And that expression, I doubt anyone ever had the expression on their face before oh, say 1956 or so. Very "ironical"!
Well, it is interesting to wonder about who the next Pope will be, whoever it is, John Paul II will be a tough act to follow.
The speculation will soon be over.
"In many parts of the world, the family is under siege", the cardinal said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by the university. "It is opposed by an anti-life mentality as is seen in contraception, abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia. It is scorned and banalized by pornography, desecrated by fornication and adultery, mocked by homosexuality, sabotaged by irregular unions and cut in two by divorce."
Oh, Arinze is orthodox alright!
Looks like a black county commissioner here in Dallas, John Wiley Price.
My money is on a Roman Catholic.
Why? Are Catholics inherently racist?
The late John Paul II was a compromise. Two or three other candidates had more votes, but not enough, so one Cardinal, an American, lobbied hard for Karol W. and lo and behold, he had enough votes.
I read somewhere that the number of Latin and African Cardinals outnumber the Europeans. If that is the case the Europeans dont have much leverage in picking one of their own.
I always wondered the same thing; why everyone made a big deal about JPII being the "first non-Italian pope" for some 400 years, as if the Italians had a RIGHT to be pope.
I suppose the only thing I can think of is that the Italians are possessive of the role because the pope would have to live in Italy and be someone who knew and understood the culture and language of the country pretty well. Although IMHO, I don't think that should be the only reason to go with an Italian. After all, the pope is pope of the UNIVERSAL Church, not just Italy.
I would LOVE Arinze to get the job, however i think the fact that he's considered a "favourite" jinxes him. In the past elections, NONE of the so-called "favourites" got the job. It was always someone no-one expected.
Arinze is a favorite of conservatives. That might be enough to doom him. He is not a fav of those that are lib, and those that believe in Liberation Theology (Marxism with a collar).
we can call him Pope Daddy
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