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IDF gets world's best attack helicopters
Yedioth Ahronoth ^ | 04/03/05

Posted on 04/03/2005 1:30:17 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot

Three Apache Longbow helicopters arrive in Israel as part of USD 640 million defense-upgrade project; equipped with advanced night-vision system; remaining choppers to arrive by the end of 2006.

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) received three Apache Longbow helicopters Sunday as part of a newly-established 20-helicopter squadron.

The highly advanced chopper can fly in all weather conditions and at nighttime, as it comes equipped with a night-vision system that transfers images directly to the pilot's eyes, a senior IAF officer said.

Another major advantage of the chopper pertains to its radar, which permits the detection of more than one target at a time and enables the pilot to launch a missile without maintaining eye-contact with the target, he said.

"This technique, which is called 'Launch and Forget,' offers us an efficient way to deal with the current risks helicopters face - from Kalashnikov gunfire, to anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft fire," the officer said.

"The cockpit is a story in itself. Each activity or malfunction on the helicopter appears on the screen," another IAF officer said. "Everything is very user-friendly."

Each helicopter cost an estimated USD 27 million, and all in all Israel has invested some USD 640 million in the project, including the upgrading of Israeli-manufactured choppers and infrastructure development.

'We must prepare for any situation'

The remaining Apaches are expected to arrive in the country by the end of 2006 as part of a deal that was struck five years ago between the Defense Ministry and a number of American companies, including Boeing.

"This is a helicopter that brings unique capabilities to a long list of (military) operational aspects," an IDF official said.

Upon the establishment of the new IAF squadron, a number of Apache helicopter squadron pilots were sent to the U.S. to study the advanced helicopter.

Despite the recent positive developments in the Middle East, the IAF is certain the acquisition of the Apache Longbows is a necessity.

"We must prepare for any situation, including a 'classic' war," an IAF officer said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apache; apachelongbow; iaf; idf; israel; israeldefenseforces; israeliairforce; militarytechnology; miltech
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Similar to most of Israel's US-acquired military hardware, the Apache Longbow (Sharaf in its Hebrew name), will receive improvements in its armament and navigational systems, using Israeli developed technology that does not yet exist in the US.
1 posted on 04/03/2005 1:30:19 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot
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To: Convert from ECUSA; Laffalot; SJackson; Alouette; SirLurkedalot; yonif; anotherview; dervish; ...


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Israel Defense Forces and Israel ping list. Here you will find news, articles and fascinating stories about the IDF and Israel.



2 posted on 04/03/2005 1:31:16 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Come get some...

3 posted on 04/03/2005 1:36:46 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
Each helicopter cost an estimated USD 27 million, and all in all Israel has invested some USD 640 million in the project,...

Pure BS, these helicopters are given to the Israeli government by US sponsored grant programs. Not that I mind helping the Israelis, but a little honesty and gratitude would be nice once in a while.

4 posted on 04/03/2005 1:38:14 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: anyone
When the Arab Muslim lay down their guns, there will be peace. If the Jews lay down their guns, there will be no more Jews.
5 posted on 04/03/2005 1:45:02 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: Last Dakotan

Any source for you claim?


6 posted on 04/03/2005 1:46:08 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

you = your


7 posted on 04/03/2005 1:47:00 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: MississippyMuddy


8 posted on 04/03/2005 1:51:51 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

ping!


9 posted on 04/03/2005 1:51:54 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: Last Dakotan
Pure BS, these helicopters are given to the Israeli government by US sponsored grant programs. Not that I mind helping the Israelis, but a little honesty and gratitude would be nice once in a while.

Your login shows your mindset and the reason for it. ; )

10 posted on 04/03/2005 1:52:14 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Last Dakotan

Pure BS, these helicopters are given to the Israeli government by US sponsored grant programs. Not that I mind helping the Israelis, but a little honesty and gratitude would be nice once in a while.
Your post

Israel provides many things too America via, Medicinal technology, missile technology, computer technology, and Israel is very consistent on paying back loans from America. Please Sir before you ask for "honesty and gratitude" understand, Israel does both of these in abundance. Be well and be safe :)

Jeff


11 posted on 04/03/2005 1:52:23 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Yes that pic says it all my friend, I always use pictures as this when the Muslims talk about "Jewish occupation of Arab lands lol" (then the death threats come lol) ^5 habibi and Shalom from South Mississippi :)

Jeff


12 posted on 04/03/2005 1:54:09 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: MississippyMuddy

Shalom ;)


13 posted on 04/03/2005 1:55:14 PM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
"This technique, which is called 'Launch and Forget"

Generally speaking,that is refering to "absent/unknown" fathers? That isn't as big a problem in Israel as in the USA,is it? ;^)

14 posted on 04/03/2005 1:55:46 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

The Apaches are not there to gather dust. Some serious Muslim brains has better start thinking peace. Another day of dancing around the Qu'ran have ended. As have ended the dances in Iraq.

Serious Muslims are looking in the mirror. Next fight is coming from the PA and Syria connection. Then Iran, then the mother lode--Saudi Arabia.


15 posted on 04/03/2005 1:57:46 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: MississippyMuddy
"When the Arab Muslim lay down their guns, there will be peace. If the Jews lay down their guns, there will be no more Jews."

And a hearty AMEN to that!

16 posted on 04/03/2005 1:59:11 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: jolie560

Some serious Muslim brains has better start thinking peace.

Forgive me , but , lol after speaking with the Muslims online for 4 years, I have yet too meet these people lolololol. I'm not makin' fun of ya, actually I agree, I'm just being a bit sarcastic lol. Be well Jolie :)

Jeff


seious Muslim brains OY VEY!!!


17 posted on 04/03/2005 2:00:34 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: MississippyMuddy

seious =SERIOUS sorry i'm still laffin' lol :)


18 posted on 04/03/2005 2:01:23 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

That map is great!


19 posted on 04/03/2005 2:04:24 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: jolie560

You are right about that. The Longbow is an awesome war machine. The Israeli tech/engineering tweaks will make it even better.

Serious butt-kicking is coming. I think that IAF Thunderpilot got it right when he included this quote on his "about me" page:

"We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours."
-Former Israeli Prime Minister, Golda Meir, adressing the Arab nations.


20 posted on 04/03/2005 2:04:55 PM PDT by msf92497 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: Last Dakotan; IAF ThunderPilot

I'm not sure what point you are making. In the sense that money is fungible you are right.

The US gives Israel 3 billion a year in foreign aid which is, as you say, grants to buy military hardware. This aid is tied to the peace deal brokered by Pres Carter under which Egypt gets the same deal, 3 billion. But that does not constitute all of Israel's budget, nor its only source of income. Israel has its own thriving military industry and is the third largest arms supplier in the world.

My sense is that Israel is very appreciative of the aid and PM Sharon has declared repeatedly that a better friend to Israel has never sat in the White House than Pres Bush.

George Schultz was the Secretary of State when Israel was expanding its arms industry. He is credited with dissuading Israel from pursuing large equipment programs such as the Lavi Fighter Plane which was under development at the time and then abandoned. Schultz convinced the Israeli Government that it made more economic sense, given the small size of Israel, to purchase large equipment systems from the US and concentrate its own arms programs on smaller weapons and tweaking US systems instead.

This was a mutually agreed upon arrangement and has worked to the benefit of both countries.


21 posted on 04/03/2005 2:08:00 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot
How about the CIA? Here

Israel usually posts sizable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid...

You can Google for more information, given that other sites may have their own agenda. WRMEA Claims 2 billion a year in loan guarantees, much of which is later made into grants.

Again, I am not arguing US aid to Israel, but I take offense when the transfer of military equipment to Israel is termed a Israeli investment when much of Israel is actually a US investment in a democratic, stable Middle-east.

22 posted on 04/03/2005 2:08:36 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: jolie560
Serious Muslims are looking in the mirror.

They need to check their mirrors often!

23 posted on 04/03/2005 2:09:57 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Last Dakotan

stable Middle-east.


STABLE MIDDLE EAST ? Since when?

Jeff


24 posted on 04/03/2005 2:10:21 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: EGPWS
Your login shows your mindset and the reason for it.

Insults aren't going to get you anywhere here. I'd stick to reasoned, informed logic.

25 posted on 04/03/2005 2:10:21 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

You'd get more bang for your buck, fewer maintenance headaches and a more reliable/survivable bird buying Zulu model Cobras.


26 posted on 04/03/2005 2:11:40 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: mark502inf

Objects in the mirror seem closer than they are ;)

NICE PIC!!!!!!

Jeff


27 posted on 04/03/2005 2:11:52 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: MississippyMuddy
STABLE MIDDLE EAST ? Since when?

We're tryin'. You might have seen something on the news about a war over there - with the same goal.

28 posted on 04/03/2005 2:13:19 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: anyone

Stable middle east = only one bus bombing a week for Israel. Muslims desire no peace with Israel, only it's destruction. There will never be a "stable middle east" because the middle east, is nothing more than a "stable". IDF, fuel up the choppers, stay on alert, and do what is needed!!!


29 posted on 04/03/2005 2:16:11 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: Last Dakotan

Agreed Dakotan, but, this is 1400 years of idealogy we are fighting against (too kill the Jews), maybe in another 100 years the Muslims will be able too come too the "peace table" without having a sword behind there back. Until then Israel and the rest of the world will pay the price of wishing for something that is unrealistic, in our lifetime. Please note though, I hope I am wrong in this matter but history teaches me different. We just agree too disagree on this I guess :) Best wishes be well and be safe :)

Jeff


30 posted on 04/03/2005 2:19:21 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

About time Israel got some AH-64Ds. I never liked the fact that the UAE and Egypt have AH-64As


31 posted on 04/03/2005 2:25:18 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Last Dakotan
>You might have seen something on the news about a war over there - with the same goal

Don't we still send cash
to the Pallies? Don't we urge
"restraint" on the Jews?

And aren't we still
promising that the Pallies
will get their own state?!

Hmmm. Maybe we should
give Bin Laden Canada
and he'll stop fighting . . .

32 posted on 04/03/2005 2:25:37 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Such as Hebrew lettering on the instrument panel!

:)

But let's see you guys build an Apache from the ground up.

Seriously,

How about a little quid pro quo!

Shalom


33 posted on 04/03/2005 2:26:01 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism is an Autoimmune Disease)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Please add me to your list, IDF


34 posted on 04/03/2005 2:26:58 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism is an Autoimmune Disease)
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To: All

According to this article, the helicopters have already arrived:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=79531


35 posted on 04/03/2005 2:27:11 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Daisy4

Sooooo, Where can i get into the raffle to get my own free Longbow whirlybird? I'm jealous!


36 posted on 04/03/2005 2:29:12 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Israel always likes to mod the weaponry it buys.


37 posted on 04/03/2005 2:30:22 PM PDT by dennisw ("What is Man that thou art mindful of him")
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To: IAF ThunderPilot

Terrific homepage.
I had no idea of the diversity in terrain in Israel. Awesome.

Some years ago Israeli pilots were for the most part young, 19-25 and single. Is that still true?


38 posted on 04/03/2005 2:32:10 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: dervish
I'm not sure what point you are making. In the sense that money is fungible you are right.

I am well aware of the foreign aid but I am greatful that we do send it! It is us and Israel against Islamonazis and we got to stick together and share our best technologies.

39 posted on 04/03/2005 2:34:11 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

You can volunteer in the IAF .... I know they will give you a free whirlybird ride!


40 posted on 04/03/2005 2:39:46 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Last Dakotan
Insults aren't going to get you anywhere here. I'd stick to reasoned, informed logic.

Okay, LD.

Greetings anyway.

I hope I didn't offend you with my salutation. ; )

41 posted on 04/03/2005 2:48:02 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: dennisw
Israel always likes to mod the weaponry it buys.

Always for the better, for they have the long term "in combat" experience 2nd to none.

42 posted on 04/03/2005 2:49:56 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Daisy4

Sooo what's the IAF? :)


43 posted on 04/03/2005 2:50:07 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: Daisy4

Nevermind! hehehe I got it ! My mind is a little slow right now.... time for more coffee.

I just want my free whirlybird so i can have it in my front yard to wash on the weekends :)


44 posted on 04/03/2005 2:51:25 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
45 posted on 04/03/2005 2:51:49 PM PDT by SJackson (You simply have to accept the fact that we are all corrupt-Mahmud Abbas to senior UN official, 1996)
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To: Billthedrill

Awesome chopper. Sure beats the Hueys we had in Nam, in the 60s.


46 posted on 04/03/2005 2:52:51 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

Israeli Airforce.


47 posted on 04/03/2005 2:53:30 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: Paul_Denton
The Israelis began upgrading As into Ds back in 2000.
48 posted on 04/03/2005 2:54:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Daisy4

Thank you :)


49 posted on 04/03/2005 2:54:18 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: MississippyMuddy
I'll bet we'll see more changes in that region in the next 14 years than the past 1400. The human desire for freedom is what gives GWB and myself reason for optimism.
50 posted on 04/03/2005 3:01:28 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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