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Gospel of Judas back in spotlight after 20 centuries
Middle East Online ^ | 2005-03-30 | Patrick Baert

Posted on 04/04/2005 10:11:49 AM PDT by robowombat

2005-03-30 Gospel of Judas back in spotlight after 20 centuries Swiss foundation seeks to shed light on controversial Christian text named after apostle said to have betrayed Jesus. By Patrick Baert - GENEVA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About 2,000 years after the Gospel according to Judas sowed discord among early Christians, a Swiss foundation says it is translating for the first time the controversial text named after the apostle said to have betrayed Jesus Christ.

The 62-page papyrus manuscript of the text was uncovered in Egypt during the 1950s or 1960s, but its owners did not fully comprehend its significance until recently, according to the Maecenas Foundation in Basel.

The manuscript written in the ancient dialect of Egypt's Coptic Christian community will be translated into English, French and German in about a year, the foundation specialising in antique culture said on Tuesday.

"We have just received the results of carbon dating: the text is older than we thought and dates back to a period between the beginning of the third and fourth centuries," foundation director Mario Jean Roberty said.

The existence of a Gospel of Judas, which was originally written in Greek, was outlined by a bishop, Saint Irenee, when he denounced the text as heretical during the second century.

"It's the only clear source that allows us to know that such a Gospel did exist," Roberty explained.

The foundation declined to say what account Judas is said to give in his alleged gospel.

According to Christian tradition, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ by helping the Romans to find him before he was crucified.

"We do not want to reveal the exceptional side of what we have," Roberty said.

The author of the text is unknown.

"No one can clearly state that Judas wrote it himself," Roberty said, while pointing out that the other gospels were probably not written by their supposed authors either.

The four recognised gospels of the New Testament describe the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and are said to record his teachings from the eyes of four of his disciples, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The Roman Catholic Church limited the recognised gospels to the four in 325, under the guidance of the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine.

Thirty other texts - some of which have been uncovered - were sidelined because "they were difficult to reconcile with what Constantine wanted as a political doctrine," according to Roberty.

The foundation's director said the Judas Iscariot text called into question some of the political principles of Christian doctrine.

It could also to some extent rehabilitate Judas, whose name has often come to symbolise the accusation of deicide - God-killing - levelled by some Christian teachings against the Jewish people, he added.

After the manuscript is restored, the text is due to be translated and analysed by a team of specialists in Coptic history led by a former professor at the University of Geneva, Rudolf Kasser.

Jean-Daniel Kaestli, an expert on gospels who has seen the manuscript, said the discovery was "very interesting", although the papyrus was in a bad state.

He added that it was not going to lead to a revolutionary change in the vision of the Bible, although it could shed some new light on parts of Christianity's holy text.

The Maecenas Foundation, which aims to protect archaeological relics found in poor countries, hopes to organise exhibitions around the manuscript and to produce a documentary on the process of unravelling the text.

The full launch is due in Easter 2006.

Gospel of Judas back in spotlight after 20 centuries Swiss foundation seeks to shed light on controversial Christian text named after apostle said to have betrayed Jesus. By Patrick Baert - GENEVA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About 2,000 years after the Gospel according to Judas sowed discord among early Christians, a Swiss foundation says it is translating for the first time the controversial text named after the apostle said to have betrayed Jesus Christ.

The 62-page papyrus manuscript of the text was uncovered in Egypt during the 1950s or 1960s, but its owners did not fully comprehend its significance until recently, according to the Maecenas Foundation in Basel.

The manuscript written in the ancient dialect of Egypt's Coptic Christian community will be translated into English, French and German in about a year, the foundation specialising in antique culture said on Tuesday.

"We have just received the results of carbon dating: the text is older than we thought and dates back to a period between the beginning of the third and fourth centuries," foundation director Mario Jean Roberty said.

The existence of a Gospel of Judas, which was originally written in Greek, was outlined by a bishop, Saint Irenee, when he denounced the text as heretical during the second century.

"It's the only clear source that allows us to know that such a Gospel did exist," Roberty explained.

The foundation declined to say what account Judas is said to give in his alleged gospel.

According to Christian tradition, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ by helping the Romans to find him before he was crucified.

"We do not want to reveal the exceptional side of what we have," Roberty said.

The author of the text is unknown.

"No one can clearly state that Judas wrote it himself," Roberty said, while pointing out that the other gospels were probably not written by their supposed authors either.

The four recognised gospels of the New Testament describe the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and are said to record his teachings from the eyes of four of his disciples, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The Roman Catholic Church limited the recognised gospels to the four in 325, under the guidance of the first Christian Roman emperor, Constantine.

Thirty other texts - some of which have been uncovered - were sidelined because "they were difficult to reconcile with what Constantine wanted as a political doctrine," according to Roberty.

The foundation's director said the Judas Iscariot text called into question some of the political principles of Christian doctrine.

It could also to some extent rehabilitate Judas, whose name has often come to symbolise the accusation of deicide - God-killing - levelled by some Christian teachings against the Jewish people, he added.

After the manuscript is restored, the text is due to be translated and analysed by a team of specialists in Coptic history led by a former professor at the University of Geneva, Rudolf Kasser.

Jean-Daniel Kaestli, an expert on gospels who has seen the manuscript, said the discovery was "very interesting", although the papyrus was in a bad state.

He added that it was not going to lead to a revolutionary change in the vision of the Bible, although it could shed some new light on parts of Christianity's holy text.

The Maecenas Foundation, which aims to protect archaeological relics found in poor countries, hopes to organise exhibitions around the manuscript and to produce a documentary on the process of unravelling the text.

The full launch is due in Easter 2006.


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To: AppyPappy

well that doesn't bode well for the position of the church on the gnostic gospels. Many people here paint themselves as experts on the Word and I'm hoping some of them will set us straight.


41 posted on 04/04/2005 11:03:09 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: robowombat

The New Testament Books (canonical)

The scholarly literature on the New Testament books is (of course) huge and easily accessible. There is no attempt here to discuss them individually. Here is their approximate order of composition:

I and II Thessalonians

~50 CE

I and II Corinthians

54-56

Galatians

~56

Romans

56-57

Colossians

~61

Philemon

~61

Philippians

~62

Gospel according to Mark

65-70

Gospel according to Matthew

80-85

Acts and Gospel according to Luke

85-90

Hebrews

85-90

Gospel according to John

90-100

Revelation of John

~95

Ephesians, James, and I Peter

95-100

I, II, and III John

100-110

I and II Timothy and Titus

110-130

Jude, II Peter

130-150


42 posted on 04/04/2005 11:03:16 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: robowombat; All
Who said you can't make additions to accepted Church doctrine? As I recall there, was a certain German malcontent who took a whore-nun as a wife and lived on a diet of worms? A lot of people accept his teachings. There was also the Geneva Taliban and the 37 Articles of Faith.
The Church accepts the tales of 3 or 4 men who may or may not have been contemporaries of Christ yet rejects and denies the influence of a Persian religion that was quite possibly proto-Judaism.
The Bible is nothing more than the Hebrew interpretation of Norse mythos, Freya being Mary, Thor the Son of Odin and his nemesis, Loki as Satan, the god of deception.
43 posted on 04/04/2005 11:05:23 AM PDT by olde north church ("Hi America, I'm Dr. Howard Dean. Turn your head and cough.")
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To: robowombat
Thirty other texts - some of which have been uncovered - were sidelined because "they were difficult to reconcile with what Constantine wanted as a political doctrine," according to Roberty.

Horse manure

Table of authorities.

44 posted on 04/04/2005 11:06:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: hosepipe

Latin had no "J"s.

That's why Pilate inscribed on the cross:

Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm

Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Judeans.


45 posted on 04/04/2005 11:06:21 AM PDT by djf
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To: robowombat
Thirty other texts - some of which have been uncovered - were sidelined because "they were difficult to reconcile with what Constantine wanted as a political doctrine," according to Roberty.

Not this nonsense again.

46 posted on 04/04/2005 11:06:41 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Campion

True. Don't have the references here, but I recall the first authoritative listing of what would become the cannon of the New Testament being in a Christmas letter sent out by one of the apostolic church bishops some time in the 2nd century A.D.

As for Constantine, he had a tremendous influence on the development of institutional Christianity by: 1) stopping the persecution of Christians, 2) by proclaiming official tolerance of the religion, 3) by adopting it as the official and only religion of the Roman Empire and finally, 4) by sponsoring a series of conferences to bring together church leaders and regularize Christian doctrine and practice. Whether or not the long partnership between church and state has been for good or for bad is the subject of a centuries-long discourse and many books.


47 posted on 04/04/2005 11:10:46 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: twigs
I have read some excerpts. What I read is not in any way consistent with the real gospels. I did not find them compelling.

Me too. All one has to do is scan the text and see that the "lost gospels" are no where near the level of scripture.

48 posted on 04/04/2005 11:11:12 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Mark in the Old South
To be included in the Bible a book needed to meet several specific qualifications.
The most important consideration for whether a NT book was inspired was that it had apostolic authority. The Apostles, as eyewitnesses of everything dealing with Christ, had a unique position and personal authority because they were chosen by Christ. It is this unique personal authority of the Apostles that assures the truth or canonicity of the NT books.
49 posted on 04/04/2005 11:12:25 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: olde north church
The Bible is nothing more than the Hebrew interpretation of Norse mythos, Freya being Mary, Thor the Son of Odin and his nemesis, Loki as Satan, the god of deception.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You are one funny dude.

50 posted on 04/04/2005 11:12:36 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: djf
The Dead Sea Scrolls are not a work in of themselves. That is the name given to a set collection of books like a private library. Many of the scrolls are works already known such as Isaias. Others are books specifically for the religious order who transcribed them similar to St Benedict's rules. I think there is even some grocery lists in the collection. Think of your grandfathers private office/library. Some are works they collected and some specific to them. Correct me if I am wrong but that is my understanding of them.
51 posted on 04/04/2005 11:13:30 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Raycpa

thax for the link


52 posted on 04/04/2005 11:13:54 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh
well that doesn't bode well for the position of the church on the gnostic gospels

Which church? Therein lies the rub.

53 posted on 04/04/2005 11:14:02 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: bigsigh

and thanx too.


54 posted on 04/04/2005 11:14:19 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: robowombat
Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ by helping the Romans find him

Not exactly.

55 posted on 04/04/2005 11:15:57 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: AppyPappy

the one which calims to know which of these are in and which should be out and made the decision about 1700 years ago.


56 posted on 04/04/2005 11:17:21 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: djf
When I say the Thomas gospel fits, it is because there are quite a few references to events that are described in the four gospels, and enough info to show that it's not something totally made up. It is very gnostic in flavor, and goes along and extends John.

No surprises there. The Gnostics were famous for taking existing scripture and corrupting it to support their peculiar doctrines. The Marcionites did the same thing

57 posted on 04/04/2005 11:17:53 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Raycpa

http://www.ntcanon.org/Gospel_of_Thomas.shtml


58 posted on 04/04/2005 11:19:34 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: bigsigh

Those guys are dead. If not, they have to be really old.


59 posted on 04/04/2005 11:19:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Mark in the Old South

Same thing with the Nag Hammadi texts, the point I'm making is not necessarily what the content is, but the fact they were put in jars, sealed, and buried for two thousand years. So the fact they were undiscovered and not mentioned does not prove whether they are or are not authentic.


60 posted on 04/04/2005 11:20:35 AM PDT by djf
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