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Berger deal suggests darker plot
worldnetdaily.com ^ | Posted: April 5, 2005 | jack cashill

Posted on 04/05/2005 2:16:14 PM PDT by ovrtaxt

On Thursday, March 31, just hours after Terri Schiavo died, the Justice Department announced that former Clinton national security adviser, Sandy Berger, was about to get his wrist slapped.

Among the "mistakes" that triggered the slap was Berger's hand-shredding of several critical documents with a pair of scissors. Another "mistake" that Berger acknowledged was lying to all and everyone about what he had done when first questioned. He now admits the destruction of these documents was "not inadvertent."

With both Schiavo dead and the pope dying, the media were free to downplay the Berger story, which they eagerly did. They provided almost no answers and asked few questions. The Washington Post, however, did manage to pose a conundrum, "It remains unclear," asked the Post, "why [Berger] destroyed three versions of a document, but left two other versions intact."

In an earlier article on Berger, I suggested an answer to this question – the president's handwritten notes on a document make one version entirely more dangerous than an identical document without those notes. My source for this process was Col. Buzz Patterson, author of "Dereliction of Duty."

Patterson carried the "nuclear football" for the president during the fateful summer of 1996 and as such had almost total access. One morning that Patterson identifies only as "late-summer" 1996, he was returning a daily intelligence update to the National Security Council when he noticed the heading "Operation Bojinka." As Patterson relates, "I keyed on a reference to a plot to use commercial airliners as weapons." As a pilot, he had a keen interest in the same.

In the way of an omen, Islamic terrorist Ramzi Yousef was on trial in New York on the day of July 17, 1996, for his role in Operation Bojinka (Serbo-Croatian for "loud bang"). The publicly known part of this plot was Yousef's plan to blow up 11 American airliners over the Pacific. A lesser-known element of Bojinka, the one Patterson stumbled upon, was the plan to use planes as flying bombs. That same summer, courtesy of an FBI informant in Yousef's New York jail, Yousef was actively communicating with the terrorist world. Among his correspondents was his uncle, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9-11.

Patterson was not in position to connect Bojinka and TWA Flight 800. The knowledge of what happened the night of July 17, 1996, had been kept remarkably tight. What Patterson did learn from seeing the president's hand-annotated response to this intelligence report is that Clinton had read it carefully.

"I can state for a fact that this information was circulated within the U.S. intelligence community," Patterson writes, "and that in late 1996 the president was aware of it." That Clinton was reviewing this information in the immediate aftermath of TWA Flight 800's demise suggests more than mere coincidence: The FBI had received these documents from the Philippine police 18 months earlier.

Berger now says that the documents he shredded had to do with an after-action review written by Richard Clarke and dealing with various terrorist threats at the time of the millennium. A little skepticism is in order here. Could these documents possibly have been worth risking one's career over? I don't think so.

The Bush Justice Department has given Berger a pass in the form of a $10,000 fine and a meaningless three-year suspension of his security clearance. The probe dies with the fine.

There is one likely reason why the Bush administration cooperated in the suppression of this story. Revealing it might have dangerously destabilized the government. The TWA Flight 800-9/11 thread is among the very few revelations that has the potential to do just that.


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1 posted on 04/05/2005 2:16:19 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...
OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.
2 posted on 04/05/2005 2:17:34 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: ovrtaxt

" the president's handwritten notes on a document make one version entirely more dangerous than an identical document without those notes."

Exactly. I agree


3 posted on 04/05/2005 2:20:23 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: ovrtaxt

Berger deal suggests darker plot

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Is that a racist comment ???


4 posted on 04/05/2005 2:22:55 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: GeekDejure

Yeah, Stormfront propaganda. </wise guy comment>


5 posted on 04/05/2005 2:23:52 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: ovrtaxt
Please add me to your ping list.

What about the attack at the El Al (?) gate at LAX? Before the smell of gunpowder left the air it was alleged by the feds that it was not a case of terrorism. I think we know better now.

6 posted on 04/05/2005 2:26:47 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: nuconvert

What's the point of Bush helping Clinton cover his tracks? Did he make a deal with the Clintons--they won't have him Arkancided and he won't do anything that would jeopardize Hillary's run in 2008?


7 posted on 04/05/2005 2:27:27 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ovrtaxt

Yeah, Stormfront propaganda. </wise guy comment>

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Is there such a thing as Stormrear truth? </curious guy question>




8 posted on 04/05/2005 2:28:25 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: cyncooper

ping


9 posted on 04/05/2005 2:29:20 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: Peach; Mo1
Patterson was not in position to connect Bojinka and TWA Flight 800. The knowledge of what happened the night of July 17, 1996, had been kept remarkably tight. What Patterson did learn from seeing the president's hand-annotated response to this intelligence report is that Clinton had read it carefully

ping

10 posted on 04/05/2005 2:32:07 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: ovrtaxt

BTTT


11 posted on 04/05/2005 2:32:31 PM PDT by auboy (The Grim Reaper wears a black robe.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

What's the point of Bush helping Clinton cover his tracks? Did he make a deal with the Clintons--they won't have him Arkancided and he won't do anything that would jeopardize Hillary's run in 2008?
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While that may be a bit of a stretch, who knows for sure? Bush sure has been openly friendly to Billy lately, especially letting him accompany them to the Pope's funeral...and Berger should be hanging from a tree, but he gets sent to his room, and no dessert.

Why am I getting more disappointed in the credibility and effectiveness of our Washington government almost on a DAILY BASIS ???


12 posted on 04/05/2005 2:32:40 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: ovrtaxt; OXENinFLA
I swear that I remember hearing one very brief TV report in the late 90's about an Islamist plot to fly planes into buildings. I remember it because I remember the visceral pull-back reaction I had to the mental image it created.

Of course, nobody took it seriously...

Ping and bump

13 posted on 04/05/2005 2:36:59 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: ovrtaxt

"" the president's handwritten notes on a document make one version entirely more dangerous than an identical document without those notes.""

Oh, please. Why would the president's comments be on a draft document? Berger's probably protecting his own legacy.


14 posted on 04/05/2005 2:38:55 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: thegreatbeast

You are officially pinglisted.


15 posted on 04/05/2005 2:40:16 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: EagleUSA
Why am I getting more disappointed in the credibility and effectiveness of our Washington government almost on a DAILY BASIS ???

You're not alone...

16 posted on 04/05/2005 2:41:39 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: prairiebreeze

Of course, nobody took it seriously...

Especially Clinton


17 posted on 04/05/2005 2:43:03 PM PDT by chainsaw (We are going to take things away from you for the common good. - H. Clinton June of 2004)
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To: ovrtaxt

I don't see what the problem is. Little Sandy simply forgot what his mommy taught him: "Never run with scissors, son. You might accidently shred documents with them, or, you might stab yourself in the back with them some day..."


18 posted on 04/05/2005 2:43:43 PM PDT by LRS
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To: Shermy
Oh, please. Why would the president's comments be on a draft document? Berger's probably protecting his own legacy.

"It remains unclear," asked the Post, "why [Berger] destroyed three versions of a document, but left two other versions intact."

In an earlier article on Berger, I suggested an answer to this question – the president's handwritten notes on a document make one version entirely more dangerous than an identical document without those notes. My source for this process was Col. Buzz Patterson, author of "Dereliction of Duty."

--So you think Patterson's claim is suspect? Why?

19 posted on 04/05/2005 2:44:57 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: Czar
Why am I getting more disappointed in the credibility and effectiveness of our Washington government almost on a DAILY BASIS ???
You're not alone...
I'll make it three - something has changed, President Bush does know when to cut a deal but this smells like Camembert
20 posted on 04/05/2005 2:45:46 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: ovrtaxt

The link to "Terror cover-up in Texas City?" shows link not found. I posted one of the original posts on the explosion, can you tell me what you found and where?


21 posted on 04/05/2005 2:48:35 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: ovrtaxt

"--So you think Patterson's claim is suspect? Why?"

It's a fishy story, with fish connections and assumptions.

No. 1 - why the President would be reviewing drafts of the document.

The simple answer for Berger was that he was protecting himself.

And the 9/11 commission made remarks about Berger's side notes on other documents.


22 posted on 04/05/2005 2:49:08 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ovrtaxt
"There is one likely reason why the Bush administration cooperated in the suppression of this story."

The Bush Administration didn't "suppress" any story, for one thing, and for another, there are *numerous* reasons why Berger got a light sentence (e.g. he's cooperating as a double-agent for us now).

23 posted on 04/05/2005 2:50:06 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ovrtaxt
OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT

The Clinton team is looking like the dots.

24 posted on 04/05/2005 2:51:38 PM PDT by alrea
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To: EagleUSA

Why am I getting more disappointed in the credibility and effectiveness of our Washington government almost on a DAILY BASIS ???

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Te he he.... I just learned that Burgler DID get desert!

Guess that would drop you down to "on a MINUTE BASIS" !!! ;-))


25 posted on 04/05/2005 2:54:21 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: ovrtaxt
"In an earlier article on Berger, I suggested an answer to this question – the president's handwritten notes on a document make one version entirely more dangerous than an identical document without those notes. My source for this process was Col. Buzz Patterson, author of "Dereliction of Duty."

--So you think Patterson's claim is suspect? Why?"

It would be *rare* for a President's handwritten comments on NSA docs to be stored in archives rather than destroyed after said comments were acted upon.

It would be *more* likely that each draft copy of said main report would have different comments from each agent who analyzed and marked up their unique copy, based upon their different knowledge base from their different CODE WORD level clearances.

In fact, my version easily explains why THREE DIFFERENT COPIES needed to be destroyed by Berger, whereas the WorldnutDaily author of the article for this thread doesn't explain at all why the President would have marked up 3 out of 5 copies of said main report differently.

26 posted on 04/05/2005 2:56:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ovrtaxt

Hmmm.... Major crime, solidly proven. Admitted criminal intent. Mild slap on the wrist as a result.

Lots of outrage over this, including a lot of pure speculation such as found in this article.

Admitting criminal intent is HUGE. Why would the prosecutors have forced Burglar to admit criminal intent if all they were going to give him was a light slap on the wrist?

For one thing, the admitted criminal intent makes it much harder to justify the trivial penalty. So why would the prosecutor insist on the admission, and even insist that the admission be made publicly?

Wouldn't it have been easier to justify the penalty if the admission was kept confidential? (Burglar's admission could have been kept confidential easily. National security issues, etc...)

So why was Burglar forced to make a public admission of criminal intent? Something does not add up...


27 posted on 04/05/2005 2:57:02 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: SF Republican
It didn't start with Dubya.

I suspect it goes back quite a way. Perhaps didn't start with Bush Sr., but I believe it became much worse at that time, at least in the "Third Way/NWO" sense of it. Flourished, of course, under Clinton, and I see little being done to put a stop to it under Dubya.

They're playing with fire. Trust in government seems to me to have hit another low point.

28 posted on 04/05/2005 2:57:18 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: ovrtaxt

Republican presidents always seem terribly concerned that the coverups of their Democrat predecessors must continue to be covered up.


29 posted on 04/05/2005 2:58:14 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Southack
The Bush Administration didn't "suppress" any story, for one thing, and for another, there are *numerous* reasons why Berger got a light sentence (e.g. he's cooperating as a double-agent for us now).

You know, I'd really like to believe that, but if the Bush Justice Department wanted to recruit Berger as a snitch on the antics of the Clintonista regime, they should have arranged for him to be visibly slammed with prison time, a massive fine, and real public exposure in the form of doing the perp walk, entering a facility of the Bureau of Prisons, all the while assuring his former masters that he isn't talking, that he's going to 'Do a MacDougall' (as in Susan), and then after he gets assigned to a solitary cell (for his own protection, natch), he gets walked right out the back door to an 'undisclosed secure location' where he spends the next several years detailing each and every crime committed during his tenure with the Clintons. After that, a convenient little sit-down is arranged with the Clintons where they are given the choice of quietly leaving public/political life forever, or they face the possibility of a successful prosecution for high treason, with a high probability of facing a military tribunal and subsequent firing squad.

I'd really like to think that something on that order has already taken place, but past events do not inspire confidence.

Let's consider something: our esteemed President may indeed be sincere as the day is long with his campaign to reform Social Security, but if our government is still shot through with traitors who are undermining our Republic, which is the bigger threat? We need to reestablish the House UnAmerican Activities Committee and the Senate Internal Security Committee, and we need someone with the stones of Joe McCarthy to start digging, and to get to the bottom of the question EVERYbody ought to want the answer to:

WHO has been selling out America?

/rant mode off.
30 posted on 04/05/2005 3:07:16 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: Shermy

The article doesn't mention it being a draft document. Even if it was it was one of Richard Clarke's, not Clinton's, so some comments on it would indicate he had read the report and didn't do anything about it.


31 posted on 04/05/2005 3:08:20 PM PDT by kas2591 (Life's harder when you're stupid.)
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To: SF Republican
Why am I getting more disappointed in the credibility and effectiveness of our Washington government almost on a DAILY BASIS ??? You're not alone... I'll make it three - something has changed

...Make it four, gents.

32 posted on 04/05/2005 3:16:55 PM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: Ranger Drew

I guess that will make it a conspiracy or a poker game


33 posted on 04/05/2005 3:20:30 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: EternalHope
"So why was Burglar forced to make a public admission of criminal intent?"

It could have been to protect the system (i.e. you can't just steal docs, destroy them, lie, and have a clean public character), or it could be such an admission will factor in to Berger's boss getting convicted (i.e. something illegal *did* happen).

34 posted on 04/05/2005 3:20:41 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ovrtaxt

Yet more evidence that DC insiders get to play by a different set of rules than the rest of us.


35 posted on 04/05/2005 3:25:36 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: ovrtaxt

bump


36 posted on 04/05/2005 3:32:14 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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38 posted on 04/05/2005 3:38:15 PM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: EternalHope

Perhaps there are copies of the Burglar docs.


40 posted on 04/05/2005 3:45:13 PM PDT by skybolt
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To: ovrtaxt
  

41 posted on 04/05/2005 3:51:59 PM PDT by wolficatZ ( + ><))))*> + "..wound my heart with a monotonous bunny rabbit...")
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To: ovrtaxt

BUMP for later reading :)


42 posted on 04/05/2005 4:32:37 PM PDT by Libertina (God's gift of life is precious at all ages, from birth to death.)
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To: Baynative

When is this nation going to wake up and DEMAND some actual accountability from our elected "leaders"? I'm certainly glad our founders were made of better steel than the dull-eyed mouth breathing nearly retarded fillers that call themselves Americans these days.

Washington DC needs to be steam cleaned with chlorine, allowing us to start with a clean slate of elected officials at the national level. I could go on and on. Maybe H5N1 will accomplish much of this for us.


43 posted on 04/05/2005 4:48:00 PM PDT by datura (Fix bayonets.)
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To: Southack

I don't think he's necessarily saying that the President marked up 3 copies. He may have marked one. Berger may have marked one, and who knows who else?Yes, it could be different agents, too.
I think the point is, SOMEONE wrote things that Berger didn't want others to see. IMHO.


45 posted on 04/05/2005 5:03:19 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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Hard to say. Maybe the White House doesn't want some of this getting out in public.
From what I understand, Berger must continue to cooperate and this isn't a done deal unless he does. He may have announced that it's over and behind him, but it's not. I read it would be several months before the deal is finalized.


46 posted on 04/05/2005 5:08:22 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: ovrtaxt

"Bergler" needs to do time..at least he should NEVER get any kind of scurity clearance ever again!!


47 posted on 04/05/2005 5:23:50 PM PDT by FlashBack (www.teamamericapac.org)
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To: nuconvert; Shermy
"I think the point is, SOMEONE wrote things that Berger didn't want others to see. IMHO."

Yes, that is the point, but not the point made by the article for this thread.

3 copies had notes that Berger took a risk to destroy, yet the article for this thread speculates only that President Clinton made margin notes...an implausible theory...to pretend that WJC himself marked up three different copies (the author for this article provided no other suspects for marking up the copies).

More likely, 5 different intel agents reviewed the Clarke Millenium Report; 3 of those agents added comments to their private copy (eyes only sort of thing) that Berger felt he needed to destroy. Not read. Not review. Not spin. Destroy.

Now, we know all 5 agents who reviewed that Clarke Report, so we know what Berger tried to permanently destroy. We know that 3 of those agents saw (or at least commented on) something unmentioned by the other 2 agents.

This *could* mean that we've clued in to one or two moles (or at least bad agents) in one or more of our intel agencies.

But what should stand out as obvious, yet unmentioned, is that Berger himself is a spy, by definition (i.e. "stealing classified documents"). Perhaps he's a spy only for himself for personal gain. Maybe. Or perhaps he's working for someone else. Hmmm...

But Berger is a spy. He's been busted, and "we" know something about what he tried to cover up, as well as that 2 reviewing intel agents didn't (perhaps honestly due to not having the right access) mention that thing that Berger tried to cover up. Hmmm, again. By hook, crook, or default, those other 2 agents somehow aided Berger's coverup. After all, they didn't mention that something that the other 3 noted.

48 posted on 04/05/2005 5:41:50 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack; nuconvert

Marginal notes busted Berger in the 9/11 report. Here's an article about that:
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib%3AArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/07/23&ID=Ar01000

In June of 1999, another plan for action against Mr. bin Laden was on the table. The potential target was a Qaeda terrorist camp in Afghanistan known as Tarnak Farms. The commission report released yesterday cites Mr. Berger’s “handwritten notes on the meeting paper” referring to “the presence of 7 to 11 families in the Tarnak Farms facility, which could mean 60-65 casualties.”According to the Berger notes, “if he responds, we’re blamed.”

On December 4, 1999, the National Security Council’s counterterrorism coordinator, Richard Clarke, sent Mr. Berger a memo suggesting a strike in the last week of 1999 against Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. Reports the commission: “In the margin next to Clarke’s suggestion to attack Al Qaeda facilities in the week before January 1, 2000, Berger wrote, ‘no.’ ”

In August of 2000, Mr. Berger was presented with another possible plan for attacking Mr. bin Laden.This time, the plan would be based on aerial surveillance from a “Predator” drone. Reports the commission: “In the memo’s margin,Berger wrote that before considering action, ‘I will want more than verified location: we will need, at least, data on pattern of movements to provide some assurance he will remain in place.’ ”


49 posted on 04/05/2005 5:50:07 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

"Marginal notes busted Berger in the 9/11 report."

And? So, the committee already had some of the documents or copies in their posession. But they didn't see others that he stole/destroyed.


50 posted on 04/05/2005 6:00:46 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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