Scottish Anglicans: We Ordain Practicing Gays

Fox News ^ | 3/23/05 | AP

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LONDON — Being a practicing homosexual is no bar to becoming a priest, the Scottish Episcopal Church (search) says, a stance that puts it at odds with the Anglican Communion (search) in other parts of the world.

[stm]

Don't think this is a duplicate, did not find an exact match. But this is further evidence of the slide of the Episcopal Church into oblivion. I don't know where it will all end.

[goldstategop]

Agreed. Without moral standards, that church will not survive.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[secret garden]

Anglican ping, accompanied by a heavy sigh.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Without moral standards, that church will not survive.

THAT'S MY CHURCH, and why moral relativism has seeped it's Dogma IN to it is the hand of Satan is beyond me? PRAY for schism.

[k2blader]

Disgusting.

[Waco]

Practice makes perfect??

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

So Scotland goes down the tubes as well. Or at least the Anglican ones. "Practicing gays". IOW, promiscuous sodomizing homosexuals can be ministers of God. Barf alert.

Why don't they just be honest and admit that they worship their own genitals? The most reprehensible type of idol worship that exists.

Let DirtyHarryY2K and me know if you want on/off this pinglist.

[MrDem]

Sounds like a bunch of wild turkeys in that Anglican Order...

[dennisw]

IOW The Anglican brief for buggery

[Triggerhippie]

Why don't they just be honest and admit that they worship their own genitals? The most reprehensible type of idol worship that exists.

Well, I, for one, thought that it was supposed to be the "love of money"="root of all evil."

Anyway you look at it, worshipping the "created" instead of the "Creator" is kinda messed up, IMHO.

[MisterRepublican]

What's next for these "churches"? Ordaining practicing Satanists?

[Blake#1]

The Anglican Church has already begun reform (read no gays). In fact the reformed church is growing by "leaps and bounds". Naturally you will not read this in the MSM. Many former Roman Catholics are joining and/or organizing their own Parishes.

[Route101]

Oh...so thats why theres no underwear under those kilts....

[cooper72]

"So Scotland goes down the tubes as well."

Come on. So a very, very minor church in Scotland does this and the whole of Scotland are raging nancies? There proportionally much more pro-gay policies, places, laws, clubs, and people in the USA than probably anywhere on the planet.

Hardly any Scots are Anglican/Episcopalian.

[Route101]

just the wiff of pantie waste fron Scotland is enough to bring the Mel Gibson give 'em hell.....

[StonyBurk]

How sad that the church was given to the world to bring
men to Christ-- but the unequal yoke of the righteous with the unrighteous has corrupted the Bride.As Jude records
the respose of those who Believe to these reprobates ought
be as the angel to Satan (over Moses) "The Lord Rebuke thee"

[sionnsar]

Anglican ping, accompanied by a heavy sigh.

This is old news now, not worth re-pinging.

[newheart]

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[newheart]

Oops. Should have read further.

You're right it is old news. OTOH, the fact that it has been picked up by Fox News means it will, sadly, get more play in the wider world.

[little jeremiah]

What about that verse - something about "Their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame."

[little jeremiah]

I'm sure that many Scots are similarly disgusted by the "gay" agenda as those of us here; and I would like to read some articles about how they're fighting it tooth and nail.

AFAIK, Scotland is very anti-gun and even anti-knife. Sounds pretty bleak.

[sionnsar]

The other side of the picture:

Welcome to www.scottishanglican.org.uk, Working for evangelical truth and apostolic order in the Scottish Episcopal Church.

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The Scottish Anglican Network represents concerned clergy and lay people from all over Scotland, who are committed to the catholic, charismatic and evangelical renewal of the church. We stand with the vast majority of Anglicans around the world who are committed to biblical orthodoxy. We love Jesus Christ and want our nation to know Him, through the deeds and words of His people.

This site is a resource for those seeking to understand the issues in human sexuality and orthodox faith and witness that are challenging the Scottish Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion.

The site represents a growing group of Anglicans in Scotland, concerned by the news that the bishops of the Scottish Episcopal Church are now publicly stating that homosexual practice is not a bar to ordained ministry and is part of the attempt to continue orthodox and mainstream doctrine on sexuality as the public teaching of the Church.

Click here to contact us

[cooper72]

Scotland is very anti-gun and even anti-knife. Sounds pretty bleak.

So does most of the world. We'll keep our values and you can keep yours. It's only fair!

[McGavin999]

They need a strong leader who will say "You are no longer members of our church and you may no longer use our name"

[cookcounty]

" Being a practicing homosexual is no bar to becoming a priest, the Scottish Episcopal Church (search) says...."

There's a Scottish Episcopal Church? Let me guess, four gays, three transvestites and a cat.

[little jeremiah]

Are you from Scotland? Your profile page says "UK". You like not being allowed to have personal defense weapons, even knives?

Do you agree with any conservative values as expressed on FR? What are your views on, say, abortion, homosexual "marriage", lowering taxes - just to mention a few?

BTW, these are legitimate questions, especailly since you're a noob who scorns the right to keep and bear arms.

[little jeremiah]

Very good news, thanks for posting that information!

[A. Pole]

Scottish Anglicans: We Ordain Practicing Gays

What about ordaining practicing Christians? Is it too extreme idea?

[winner3000]

(What's next for these "churches"? Ordaining practicing Satanists?)

A while back Scrappleface had something about the Episcopal Church ordaining a practicing Muslim Imam! It was hilarious.

[ElPatriota]

Whaaaoooooo... "practicing" imagine that, minister of GOD!

No wonder we don't get along with Europe... we are so different in values.

sad.

[Stormcrow]

"Agreed. Without moral standards, that church will not survive."

And these are the people who produced William Wallace.

I wonder what he'd have to say on this?

[cooper72]

I am a British Conservative, not an American Conservative.

I think there are similarities, but many, many differences.

[cooper72]

And these are the people who produced William Wallace. I wonder what he'd have to say on this?

Why is it when a tiny part of any country does something you disagree with you imply the whole nation is the same. The episcopalian church in Scotland is miniscule.

The fact is the USA is massively more pro-gay than Scotland. Does that mean the whole of America is sitting watching "Will and Grace" thinking how nice Will is? :-)

Or is it possible that EVERY country in the world has people you agree with and people you disagree with, just like the US?

[quadrant]

I'm not surprised. The Anglican Church of Scotland is the entity that more than any other that helped form the Episcopal Church in the US.

[PAR35]

So a very, very minor church in Scotland does this and the whole of Scotland are raging nancies?

As I posted on the other thread dealing with this, the Church of Scotland has journeyed well down the road of liberalism as well.

[cooper72]

Yes, that is true. I think the badge of the US Episcopalian Church has an imitation of the Scottish flag on the top left corner.

The Church of England is Anglican/episcopalian, the Church of Scotland is Presbyterian. I know of no-one who goes to the Scottish Episcopalian Church.

[Stormcrow]

"Why is it when a tiny part of any country does something you disagree with you imply the whole nation is the same."

I did no such thing.

[cooper72]

I don't think the Church of Scotland is much different to the US episcopalians in attitude.

[cooper72]

"and these are the people who produced William Wallace"

How could they, the Scottish episcopalian Church didn't even exist. Unless you meant Scots, in which case you are saying the whole nation is for this.

Actually no-one could care less.

[sionnsar]

I think the badge of the US Episcopalian Church has an imitation of the Scottish flag on the top left corner.

It does evoke the St. Andrew's Cross.

[Nowhere Man]

Why don't they just be honest and admit that they worship their own genitals? The most reprehensible type of idol worship that exists.

Yeah, that would be perfect and honest, they should just quit the Anglican Church (or Lutheran, or whatever they are in) and just start their own religion and own churches and leave the rest of us alone. I do know God love everyone, straight or homosexual and everything else, but He does not want us to sin so although they would be welcome to hear the message, they should not be trying to change it and if they feel that bad about it, then they should break off and go on their own. I made that arguement a while back but another Freeper who responded to it said, "well they want to shove their agenda on us, that's why."

I believe in "don't ask and don't tell" in life, I mean we all should keep sexuality to ourselves and if we need to discuss with someone, talk to your doctor, clergy, spouse, trusted friend, etc., on the side.

[cooper72]

"Why don't they just be honest and admit that they worship their own genitals?"

Is that not just men in general. ;-)

[PAR35]

Related:

Backing for gay priests could split Scottish Episcopals
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1373022/posts

SCOTLAND: Church divides over gay priests
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1372308/posts

Scottish church backs gay priests
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369050/posts

[Stormcrow]

And the "Scottish Episcopalian Church" is made up of what?

Belgians? Slovaks?

[cooper72]

And the "Scottish Episcopalian Church" is made up of what? Belgians? Slovaks?

So 45,000 people, and half of them disagree, make up the whole nation?

Does that mean the pro-gay groups in America are showing true American values? According to your logic they must be, as anyone from a country who believes something is representative of the whole nation. hmmm.

[PAR35]

I don't think the Church of Scotland is much different to the US episcopalians in attitude.

Probably slightly more liberal. Blessing gay "unions" is still controversial in much of the ECUSA. It seems the Scots have published a guide for their clergy.

A GUIDE TO SAME-SEX BLESSINGS
http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/resources/resblessing.htm

[cooper72]

Probably they are more liberal. But then your Democrats are probably more right-wing than many British Conservatives.

The joke here is that the American right is just to the left of Genghis Khan. ;-)

[Stormcrow]

"According to your logic ....."

My logic, sirrah, is that there are some Scotts (the people from whom I happen to be partly descended, thank you very much) who don't uphold the same standards that I would or that I assume William Wallace would.

Why that is either difficult or offensive to you is a matter best kept between you and your analyst.

[cooper72]

I assume you would know what William Wallace thinks then? As for what the Scots (not Scotts) think, I don't think they could care less what a minor Church does.

[Stormcrow]

"I don't think they could care less what a minor Church does."

Yet you seem entirely too exercised, not to mention defensive, about it.