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Jews Have No Rights in Al-Quds: Egyptian Christian Copts
IMRA/Palestinian Media Center ^ | 4-5-05

Posted on 04/06/2005 5:30:48 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: SJackson

"Matta added that Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria has set a good example by calling for Arabizing Al-Quds and banning any Copt to visit the holy lands as long as they are still occupied by Israel."

Arabs first; Christians later. And licking the boots of their oppressors.


21 posted on 04/06/2005 8:28:05 AM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: monday

PS, if there is violence, it will likely come from Muslims, not Jews or Christians.


22 posted on 04/06/2005 8:29:50 AM PDT by monday
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To: Mi-kha-el

He was a Kach member and he claimed Halacha as
a justification. That certainly puts him in the
category of "religious extremeist".


23 posted on 04/06/2005 8:33:15 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: monday

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24 posted on 04/06/2005 8:34:27 AM PDT by SavedAndForgiven
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To: rahbert

Not ultra orthodox Jew. Maybe we define the terms differently.


25 posted on 04/06/2005 9:24:00 AM PDT by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: rahbert
He was a Kach member and he claimed Halacha as a justification.

R. Meir Kahane never justified acts of terror against civilians. He never used Halacha to defend murder. Now, by definition, any religious Jew who says that the land of Israel (all of it) belongs to the Jewish nation is called an "extremist".

26 posted on 04/06/2005 9:32:33 AM PDT by Nachum ( "Let everyone get a move on and take some hilltops! Whatever we take, will be ours- Ariel Sharon)
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To: Mi-kha-el
see post 20. Are you a little sensitive? Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you.
27 posted on 04/06/2005 9:33:03 AM PDT by monday
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To: Convert from ECUSA

First memo: The name "Al-Quds" is not mentioned in the Qurran even once (nor any other name of Jerusalem).

Second memo: IAF ThunderPilot says: Arabs are the modern Nazis (at least those who claim this kind of rubbish).

Third memo: The extreme Arabo-Nazis should go and drink some oil.

:)


28 posted on 04/06/2005 9:49:40 AM PDT by IAF ThunderPilot (The basic point of the Israel Defense Forces: -Israel cannot afford to lose a single war.)
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To: monday

I was just responding to the ultra orthodox point. Those guys don't believe in killing. Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying. And, yes, I am sensitive. Nothing wrong with it.


29 posted on 04/06/2005 10:41:19 AM PDT by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: dervish; All
"...Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria has set a good example by calling for Arabizing Al-Quds ..."

See my earlier post. Shenouda has been condemned by many American Copts for "collaboration" with the muslimes while his less connected bretheren are killed and raped.

My feeling, as a Roman Catholic is this: Ignore what Shenouda says, while treating him with a limited amount of appropriate respect, as befits a church leader. At the same time, we work to free our oppressed Christian brothers in Egypt and other historically Christian lands that were stolen by the muslimes. Accept the leaders of the Eastern churches that are accepted by the people of those churches as the legitimate voices of those rites, not the ones who collaborate with the muslimes and call for harm to our Jewish friends and bretheren.

Let us not forget, the God of Christianity is also the God of Judaism, and "Allah" is the moon idol of Mohammed's tribe. Anyone who tries to say that "Allah" is also the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus is a liar and should be treated as such.

30 posted on 04/06/2005 10:54:38 AM PDT by Bombardier (Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses!)
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To: Mi-kha-el

" And, yes, I am sensitive. Nothing wrong with it."

There is if it causes you to attack people without thinking.


31 posted on 04/06/2005 11:01:37 AM PDT by monday
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To: rahbert
Circular reasoning. Now you are claiming he was ultra orthodox because he claimed Halachic justification.

If he had claimed he was sent by God would that have made him the messiah?

There is a difference between aberrant behavior claiming religious justification and the norm of Islamists, for instance, in espousing Jihad. Neither Christianity nor Judaism of today, even in their most fervent forms, advocate violence.

32 posted on 04/06/2005 11:16:36 AM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: Bombardier

The Arabs have a saying:

First comes Saturday; then comes Sunday.

It pained me when the Palestinian gunmen, under the eyes of a watching world, took the Church of the Nativity and its religious occupants as hostages, defiled the Church, broke and stole its ornaments. The Christian population in the Palestinian areas has declined dramatically as have the Copts in Egypt. Tragic.


33 posted on 04/06/2005 11:32:54 AM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: dervish

On this we agree - that the norms of Jewish vs. Islamic
behavior are not to be compared. I would not be especially
fearful of Jewish suicide bombings.

Perhaps Kach is more accurately described as a religious
extremist group rather than an "orthodox" grouping.

My mistake in using the terminology...


34 posted on 04/06/2005 11:35:38 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: dervish

Perhaps it's time for a new Crusade.


35 posted on 04/06/2005 11:36:43 AM PDT by Bombardier (Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses!)
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To: monday

I had friend who once opined "Beware of medieval garb!"


36 posted on 04/06/2005 11:40:21 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Bombardier

I agree. They are State Puppets and probably don't speak for the rank and file Copt. The Copts are descended from the original Egyptians and are not Arabs. Its hard to believe that they have any sympathy for the people who stole their Country and imposed their religion on it. Their ancestors in Ancient Egypt had nothing but contempt for the desert dwellers.

The use of "Al Quds" for Jerusalem makes it look like the release was prepared by a Mufti or Imam, not a Christian Patriarch.


37 posted on 04/06/2005 11:44:41 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: sheik yerbouty

"I had friend who once opined "Beware of medieval garb!"

and medieval minds... ;^)


38 posted on 04/06/2005 12:15:06 PM PDT by monday
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To: monday

Attack, without thinking. What are talking about?


39 posted on 04/06/2005 4:08:22 PM PDT by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Do they parteth the hooves and cheweth the kuds?


40 posted on 04/06/2005 5:15:38 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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