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Hidden explosives tie FBI to OKC destruction?
Worldnet Daily ^ | 4/6/2005 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 04/06/2005 5:33:20 AM PDT by ricoshea

Hidden explosives tie FBI to OKC destruction?

Posted: April 6, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern

On Thursday afternoon, March 31, within hours of the death of Terry Schiavo, the FBI approached an entirely surprised Georgia Rucker in the forgotten little town of Herington, Kan., an hour or so southwest of Topeka.

The agents asked Rucker for the keys to a cracker box of a house she was trying to sell on South Second Street. They told her they were searching for possible explosives. Naturally, she obliged. Unconcerned by what they might find, Rucker went and had her hair done while she waited for them to finish. "I didn't think it was possible for there to be anything there," she told a reporter from the Daily Union in nearby Junction City.

Rucker was wrong. The FBI soon called in the Topeka bomb squad, evacuated the immediate neighborhood, and cordoned off a three-block area. They worked through the night and into the next day. As Rucker learned, this is the house in which Terry Nichols lived at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Although the FBI on the scene would not confirm that its agents found anything, ABC News and others were told by Oklahoma City's FBI office that explosive devices had indeed been found. The news spin, at least what little surfaced in a period of predictable news frenzy, was that the FBI was embarrassed for not having found this old material 10 years prior.

As has happened all too often in the past, however, seeming FBI incompetence provides a cover for a much more troubling story. The story, as high-level forensic economist Stephen Dresch relates it, revolves around an extraordinary figure, Gregory Scarpa Jr., a convicted mobster now serving hard time at the federal super max in Florence, Colo.

Readers may remember Scarpa from multiple Emmy-winner Peter Lance's book, "Cover-Up." As Lance relates, Scarpa cooperated with the Justice Department in the summer of 1996 by scheming to rout the calls of jailmate Ramzi Yousef through to the FBI. Unfortunately for the United States, Yousef often used two obscure languages that the FBI could not translate quickly enough, if at all.

[A letter I received two weeks ago from a purported NSA insider identified the key language as Baluchi, Yousef's native tongue. Again, reportedly, Yousef's final transmission on the subject translated as follows, "What had to be done has been done, TWA 800 (last two words unintelligible)."]

What is undeniable is that the day after TWA Flight 800 blew up off the coast of Long Island, Yousef asked for a mistrial, citing the now prejudicial environment post-explosion. He was denied. By allowing him to communicate overseas, however, the Justice Department may well have unwittingly assisted Yousef in his effort to destroy that ill-fated plane.

No one doubts that his allies were capable of it. Indeed, Yousef had bombed a plane in the Philippines, killing a passenger and almost blowing the plane out of the air. He also served as the mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing and was convicted for the same. His uncle, Khalid Shiekh Muhammad, with whom he communicated from his New York jail, was the mastermind of 9-11.

Possibly to silence him, the Justice Department cut Scarpa no slack for his help with Yousef and deep-sixed him in Colorado for 40 years, a severe sentence for a non-lethal RICO charge. On March 1, 2005, Scarpa called Dresch, who was consulting with an attorney on a related case. Scarpa informed Dresch that an unnamed inmate had made him aware of a cache of explosives to be used in an act of domestic terrorism, possibly on the 10th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19.

Dresch surmised, correctly as it turned out, that the inmate was Terry Nichols, the convicted Oklahoma City bomber, and he immediately contacted the FBI by both phone and fax, as well as Massachusetts Congressman William Delahunt with whom Dresch had been working on an FBI-related matter. The FBI visited Scarpa at the prison on March 3, two days later. Having been burned once, this time Scarpa insisted on a written cooperation agreement before he talked.

The following day, an FBI polygraph expert flew in from D.C. and administered what Dresch's own expert calls an "absurdly flawed examination." The FBI expert claimed that Scarpa was lying. Scarpa immediately called Dresch's associate and insisted that she and Dresch visit him.

It should be noted that the FBI's current chief counsel, Valerie Caproni, was the Clinton Justice official who oversaw Scarpa's work with Yousef. To thicken the plot, it was also Caproni who illegally ordered the FBI to take the TWA Flight 800 investigation away from the National Transportation Safety Board and who arranged the prosecution of James and Elizabeth Sanders for James' reporting on the TWA Flight 800 investigation. The absurdly compromised Caproni has any number of reasons for keeping Scarpa out of the light.

On March 10, Dresch and his associate met with Scarpa for seven hours. He gave them a letter from Nichols that provided a highly detailed description of the cached bomb making material – nitromethane, blasting caps, kine-pak, etc. Nichols had told Scarpa that he hid this second cache 10 years ago to be used as a follow up to the Oklahoma City blast.

Nichols' apparent goal in sharing this information was to bust the man who allegedly supplied the material, a reported FBI informant named Roger Moore. Nichols also wanted to expose the FBI's role in supplying Moore the material, presumably in a sting gone awry. Nichols was certain that Moore's fingerprints would be on the material.

No longer trusting the FBI, Dresch worked through a contact, who had high-level Homeland Security connections. Together, they improvised an arrangement for Scarpa, and on March 11, Dresch laid out the offer. Scarpa relented and provided Dresch with the address of the house and detailed descriptions of the location of the cache within it.

Dresch went to Herington the following day and found the house to be vacant and for sale. His well-connected contact had not followed through, however, on retrieving the material and giving Scarpa credit where due. Only later did the contact claim that his people were surveilling the site waiting for someone to retrieve the material. It would take nearly three more weeks, the day of Schiavo's death, for the FBI to go in.

On Saturday, I called Jeff Lanza, the FBI public affairs officer on the scene, whom I have met on at least a few occasions. I left a message, asking him to confirm whether the Scarpa information led to the activity at Nichols' former home. His office paged him. Two days later he has yet to get back to me.

Lanza, however, made a point of telling the Junction City paper, as paraphrased, "that the FBI did not receive a tip leading them to search ... but rather had received the information during an investigation." But either Lanza or Gary Johnson of the FBI's Oklahoma City office is not on message. "Johnson," writes ABC News, "said the discovery was prompted by a recent tip."

In any case, when I visited the house on Saturday morning, there were neither media, nor police, anywhere to be seen. The Scarpa story is one that many people don't want told – Valerie Caproni, chief among them. And from the looks of things, they may be succeeding.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barfalert; bill; clinton; conspiracy; fedbabykillers; hillary; nicholeswassetup; okcbombing; okcsubmariner; oklabomb; reno; thefedscumdidit; toon; x42
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1 posted on 04/06/2005 5:33:20 AM PDT by ricoshea
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To: ricoshea

Occam's Razor. WND tried way too hard to weave this fabric.


2 posted on 04/06/2005 5:39:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: ricoshea
THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION,
The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
By David Hoffman,Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997


On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?

3 posted on 04/06/2005 5:40:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER! - "If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us")
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To: ricoshea
...Scarpa cooperated with the Justice Department in the summer of 1996 by scheming to rout the calls of jailmate Ramzi Yousef through to the FBI.

Say what? This makes no sense at all - not that the rest of the article does, either.

4 posted on 04/06/2005 5:49:08 AM PDT by Grut
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To: ricoshea
On Thursday afternoon, March 31, within hours of the death of Terry Schiavo ... It would take nearly three more weeks, the day of Schiavo's death, for the FBI to go in.

Golly, that sure is spooky!</sarcasm>

I can only guess this is what it takes to make it show up on some people's radars.

5 posted on 04/06/2005 6:02:54 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

Curses, one less post and I would have been the one to point out the silliness of not one but *two* completely irrelevant Terry Schaivo references. Are we supposed to reckon time itself by her death now?


6 posted on 04/06/2005 6:08:36 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: jiggyboy
"reckon time itself by her death now?"

Yes, all time will now be stated as either ADTS or BTS.

7 posted on 04/06/2005 6:39:38 AM PDT by Deguello
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To: ricoshea
All of the arrogant east coast jerks don't work at the NYT:

the forgotten little town of Herington, Kan.

8 posted on 04/06/2005 6:46:17 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ricoshea

Clinton cronies still in high govt positions. Something Bush should have take care of as soon as he took office.


9 posted on 04/06/2005 7:09:45 AM PDT by ikka
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To: ikka

It has to be Clinton cronies, it could not be the actions of Bush, he is a saint.


10 posted on 04/06/2005 7:16:55 AM PDT by jeremiah (The ACLU and lawyers in general, are responsible for 90% of all problems nationwide)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...
OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.
11 posted on 04/06/2005 8:20:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 04/06/2005 8:47:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl (Please donate monthly to Free Republic!)
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To: Terabitten

Ping for later.


13 posted on 04/06/2005 8:50:52 AM PDT by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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To: ovrtaxt

please put me on your ping list. Thank you.


14 posted on 04/06/2005 8:51:08 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: ovrtaxt

please put me on your ping list. Thank you.


15 posted on 04/06/2005 8:55:38 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Grut
I am guessing this is just bad writing by an ignorant author. I would imagine the truth is that, if Scarpa did anything, he wore a wire so the FBI could have a copy of half of the conversation.

That said, I would think that all calls from this type of inmate would be monitored, and I find it hard to believe that the FBI could not identify a language.
16 posted on 04/06/2005 10:11:36 AM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: ricoshea

And the democrats still slam Bush for not being able to find Osama bin Laden.


17 posted on 04/06/2005 10:15:30 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: ovrtaxt
The fact that the FBI hid and destroyed evidence and put gag orders on witnesses is enough to sound the alarm.
18 posted on 04/06/2005 11:25:52 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping!

Your screen name is very apropos this time of year.


19 posted on 04/06/2005 12:24:45 PM PDT by auboy (The Grim Reaper wears a black robe.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping ovrtaxt!


20 posted on 04/06/2005 3:19:10 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: auboy
lol-- yes, it's bloodletting season again. I suppose a constant, nagging ache is better than a massive hemorrhage, therefore, I find it less frustrating to just pay my 941 amount monthly. (I own a business.)
21 posted on 04/06/2005 5:09:04 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: newgeezer; jiggyboy; Deguello; AppyPappy; OwenKellogg; ovrtaxt
I can only guess this is what it takes to make it show up on some people's radars.

Curses, one less post and I would have been the one to point out the silliness of not one but *two* completely irrelevant Terry Schaivo references. Are we supposed to reckon time itself by her death now?

Yes, all time will now be stated as either ADTS or BTS.


The author, Jack Cashill, was trying to tell the reader that the FBI timed their little trip to Herington, Kansas to coincide with the Schiavo death, hoping they could hide behind the news cycle her death would create. Apparently, it didn't work or this article wouldn't have been written. I would say it didn't work either because it took too long ("through the night & into the next day") to pack up all that bomb-making material, or someone gave the MSM a tip on the story. Or maybe both.

Also, notice this paragraph:

Dresch went to Herington the following day and found the house to be vacant and for sale. His well-connected contact had not followed through, however, on retrieving the material and giving Scarpa credit where due. Only later did the contact claim that his people were surveilling the site waiting for someone to retrieve the material. It would take nearly three more weeks, the day of Schiavo's death, for the FBI to go in.

Dresch's "well-connected contact" was probably told to keep his mouth shut -- that the FBI would handle it. Then the FBI waited until the Schiavo matter reached its crescendo before they moved in.

This is big. Just ask Valerie Caproni.


(Owen, I don't know who to ping about OKC stuff anymore, but I would bet there are some oldtimers out there who would really be interested in this. Maybe you have some names?)

22 posted on 04/06/2005 7:16:18 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: sharktrager
I find it hard to believe that the FBI could not identify a language.

The FBI did not have the appropriate translators during the initial hours after OKC. They had to borrow 10 Arabic translators from the Pentagon.

Immediately after the bombing on a Wednesday, the FBI requested the translators be sent to OKC. By Friday, the FBI had changed its mind (and story), and sent a message to the military that the translators were no longer needed. By Friday, "John Doe #2" was the culprit.

23 posted on 04/06/2005 7:46:35 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: sharktrager; All

I may have a few of the details wrong, such as when the translators were sent back. And I don't have time right now to reread my post from 2002, but here it is if someone is interested:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/719338/posts?page=41#41

The info about those 10 Arabic translators is in red at reply 41.


24 posted on 04/06/2005 7:52:52 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: jeremiah
It has to be Clinton cronies, it could not be the actions of Bush, he is a saint.

(sigh). Some things never change.

If people would lay off the Bush-bashing, we would stand a heck of a better chance of getting people interested in pursuing this. By posting that kind of pot shot at Dubya, you cut the potential reading audience for this article (and any subsequent articles on OKC) at least by half. I'm sure that's not what you want, is it?

Submariner, is that you? :-)

25 posted on 04/06/2005 7:57:55 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: AppyPappy
Occam's Razor. WND tried way too hard to weave this fabric.

It's a very complex story. I thought Cashill did a pretty good job explaining it, although I did have to read it twice to soak it all in.

Valerie Caproni must be chewing her fingernails to the quick right about now.

26 posted on 04/06/2005 8:03:09 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: ricoshea

World Net Daily has reached tabloid status.


27 posted on 04/06/2005 8:05:17 PM PDT by BlkConserv
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To: ricoshea
I notice you haven't been back all day. What do you think about the article?
28 posted on 04/06/2005 8:06:35 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

Exactly,....who is/was this Georgia Rucker person?


29 posted on 04/06/2005 9:41:16 PM PDT by maestro
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To: ovrtaxt

Much appreciate the 'ping'!!!


30 posted on 04/06/2005 9:46:45 PM PDT by FlashBack (www.teamamericapac.org)
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To: Nita Nupress; Diogenesis
I don't know who to ping about OKC stuff anymore,

I keep the OKC/911 ping list, but it's specifically for the connection between the two and the related coverups.

Seems OKCSubmariner is banned or suspended. Diogenesis might know who to ping...?

31 posted on 04/07/2005 3:08:25 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (McClellan: Do away with daily press briefings! Come straight to the New Media!)
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To: Nita Nupress
to coincide with the Schiavo death, hoping they could hide behind the news cycle her death would create.

Yeah. And don't forget their OTHER diversionary tactic.....'announcing' something on a Friday, so that the sheeple had the weekend to be too busy to pay attention!

LOL.

32 posted on 04/07/2005 3:56:33 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: backhoe

Hey backhoe, any way you can go through your lists regarding the OKC bombing? See if you can get a ping list?


33 posted on 04/07/2005 4:03:37 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: ovrtaxt; backhoe
This is the addy for backhoe's early lists on the bombing. It needs to be made 'clickable'.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0534f5597c.htm

34 posted on 04/07/2005 4:14:01 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: mommadooo3

OK-

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0534f5597c.htm

Let me check later ( family shoo em out the door time ) when I have more time. As I recall, the Wall Street Journal was hitting this subject pretty hard a couple of summers ago, then went quiet suddenly.


35 posted on 04/07/2005 4:22:37 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Thanks, backhoe. I'm getting my kids ready for the bus. LOL.


36 posted on 04/07/2005 4:24:50 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: sauropod

read later


37 posted on 04/07/2005 4:27:12 AM PDT by sauropod (Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy. - Iraq Mujahadeen)
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To: MAK1179; briansb

Ping...... interesting details......


38 posted on 04/07/2005 4:31:01 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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To: backhoe; All
Here's a link to Alamo-Girls' Downside Legacy, that has more info.

OKC Downside Legacy

Coool. I DID it!

39 posted on 04/07/2005 4:37:12 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: ricoshea
By allowing him to communicate overseas, however, the Justice Department may well have unwittingly assisted Yousef in his effort to destroy that ill-fated plane.

Unwittingly...?

40 posted on 04/07/2005 4:39:14 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: newgeezer
I can only guess this is what it takes to make it show up on some people's radars.

I have two words: Sandy Berger.

41 posted on 04/07/2005 4:40:12 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ricoshea
"On Thursday afternoon, March 31, within hours of the death of Terry Schiavo, the FBI approached an entirely surprised Georgia Rucker..."

"...It would take nearly three more weeks, the day of Schiavo's death, for the FBI to go in."

AHAAAH!!! So THAT'S why they wanted to kill Terri Schiavo! It's all becoming clearer now...

42 posted on 04/07/2005 4:57:11 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: mommadooo3
Yeah. And don't forget their OTHER diversionary tactic.....'announcing' something on a Friday, so that the sheeple had the weekend to be too busy to pay attention!

You're so right. Thanks for pointing that out. This is a busy time for me right now so I don't have the time for following this up, but it's definitely going in my bookmarks so I can get back to it later.

I usually agree with the comments about WND, but this guy (Jack Cashill) has been all over this topic and his articles are usually well-written and factual. He wrote a book about TWA 800 and the terrorist connections ("First Strike: TWA Flight 400 and the Attack on America"), although I haven't read it.

Also, I think he's covered Clinton and the Chinese, as well as Ron Brown. And Doug from Upland and Bob J have had him on the RadioFR program a few years back. ("RadioFR - Doug from Upland interviews TWA800 Author, Jack Cashill")

Here's his material that's been posted on FR:
Google search on Cahill and FR

Mommadoo, I'm sorry I didn't think of you last night. I forgot you were interested in the OKC stuff! I'm so glad you found the thread and bumped it.

43 posted on 04/07/2005 5:04:22 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: mommadooo3
LOL! You've been here all these years and I didn't know you don't do HTML! Good job with the link. :-)

Gotta run, for now.

44 posted on 04/07/2005 5:06:28 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: doug from upland; Bob J

FYI... I mentioned your names here.


45 posted on 04/07/2005 5:07:29 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: ricoshea

WHAT ABOUT THE CUTTER CHARGES???


46 posted on 04/07/2005 5:15:46 AM PDT by ChefKeith (Apply here to be added to the NASCAR Ping List, Daytona is done but we got 31 more races to go...)
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To: mommadooo3; JohnHuang2; japaneseghost; Victoria Delsoul; Alamo-Girl; JudyB1938; karebare; ...
These are names I culled from one old and one new OKC posting-- be aware this is a "one-time only" ping list that will not be saved or used again. No need to send any "take me off yer !#$%^! ping list!" emails.

ovrtaxt, I believe you keep an OKC ping list- if so, I'd be obliged if you'd use it again.

Just consider the OKC mystery another artifact related to my tagline...

47 posted on 04/07/2005 5:27:38 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: ricoshea

Interesting. Thanks for the post.


48 posted on 04/07/2005 5:28:03 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: mommadooo3; All
Duh! I forgot to append the keyword database in my post... here 'tis:

 KEYWORDS: CONSPIRACY; JBS; MCVEIGH; MURRAHBUILDING; NICHOLS; OKC; OKCBOMBING; OKCSUBMARINER; RAMZIYOUSEF;

49 posted on 04/07/2005 5:35:44 AM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)™...)
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To: Nita Nupress
Submariner, is that you? :-)

What happened to him?

50 posted on 04/07/2005 5:36:01 AM PDT by MileHi
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