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Beijing issues pollution warning as skies turn yellow
AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/6/05 | AFP - Beijing

Posted on 04/06/2005 8:03:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

BEIJING (AFP) - People in Beijing were warned to stay indoors as the Chinese capital was shrouded in yellow smog with pollution reaching dangerous levels.

"Under these polluted conditions, we propose that the majority of citizens reduce their time outdoors and avoid breathing this seriously polluted air," the Beijing Environmental Protection Bureau said in a warning posted on its website.

Beijing's air quality has been at the lowest level for the past two days with the air "seriously polluted," the bureau said.

Experts said the capital was experiencing a heat inversion, where warmer air in the atmosphere was keeping the colder ground air in place, making it difficult for the pollution to disperse, the bureau said.

Meanwhile warmer spring temperatures in the city also meant that work at construction sites has increased, further kicking up dust that is mixing with the ever-increasing auto pollution.

"Under this situation, the thickness of every kind of air pollution has clearly increased, especially breathable suspended particles, which have risen rather quickly," the bureau said.

Suspended particle levels were hovering around the dangerous level of 400 and 500 micrograms per cubic meter, it said.

According to satellite photos, the inversion was lingering over northern China's Hebei and Shanxi provinces and extending southward to the Yangtze river, the paper said.

During the past decade of China's economic boom, the nation has also produced some of the worlds most polluted cities, with Beijing's air quality regularly ranking among the worst in the country and world.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: beijing; china; environment; hebei; issues; pollution; provinces; shanxi; skies; turn; warning; yellow
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1 posted on 04/06/2005 8:03:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

They need environmentalists. We don't appreciate them often enough. Without them, we have...Bejing.


2 posted on 04/06/2005 8:06:24 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: NormsRevenge

bwahahahaha! Low cost provider of goods and services? At what price China? Your payments are coming due. I would like to see China break up like the Soviet Union.


3 posted on 04/06/2005 8:07:26 PM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: NormsRevenge
of course, China is a signatory to the Kyoto protocol, and being an emerging economy...Kyoto doesn't apply.

Hey Kyoto morons.....now what ?
4 posted on 04/06/2005 8:08:01 PM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: followerofchrist
They need environmentalists.

They also need some virulent labor unions.

5 posted on 04/06/2005 8:09:02 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: NormsRevenge

This is one of the few times when governemtn has the legitimate right to get involved in the business of private business because the private business is hurting other private business, including the bodies of private individuals on their own private property.

I am a Libertarian, yet see the need for government oversight of this.


6 posted on 04/06/2005 8:09:06 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: steel_resolve

price to who? the elites in china could care less about worker protection. I've got news for you, the elites in the US could care less about worker protections either - that's why business owners are gung ho to get illegals and guest workers into the US, because they know these workers can be stepped on.


7 posted on 04/06/2005 8:09:16 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: NormsRevenge

The Olympics should be an interesting event in this venue. Don't look for any record times.


8 posted on 04/06/2005 8:10:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: oceanview

I am looking at the overall picture. You can't have much of a country if you destroy it in the process of trying to become a superpower, which is exactly what China is doing. I do agree that they don't give a bit of thought to their workers. They are so many chess pieces...


9 posted on 04/06/2005 8:15:59 PM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: stylin19a

The Kyoto protocol is about regulating carbon dioxide not air quality.


10 posted on 04/06/2005 8:19:46 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: Torie
It will be one of those weird things in life, The ChiComs are most concerned about losing face, witness Taiwan, the spy plane incident, etc. They can't admit to even the slightest mistake (this is more of a Chinese Characteristic, but combine it with Totalitarian & Marxism it gets ratcheted up beyond belief).

So in the next year or two they find out the Air Quality during the Olympics will hurt the World's perception of them and their system, there will be some amazingly major changes.

But it would be kinda cool to see the 1500m Gold Medal Winner finish with a 5 + minute time. :)
11 posted on 04/06/2005 8:30:54 PM PDT by HKTechBoy (There is no gray area in Life)
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To: Conservative Firster
You're right...mostly carbon dioxide.
Kyoto also includes additional greenhouse gases:

methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur hexafluoride, and chlorofluorocarbons which all supposedly contribute to air pollution...along with dirt\dust particles.
12 posted on 04/06/2005 8:45:48 PM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: stylin19a

That list shows the idiocy of Kyoto. What about good old fashioned coal soot? Darkens the skies (making the air warmer), and contains actual pollutants rather than plant food.

Oh, wait - then nations like China, Mexico, Russia, and India would have to comply and we'd have a surplus. I lost sight of the objective - destroy the US.


13 posted on 04/06/2005 8:57:04 PM PDT by datura (Fix bayonets.)
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To: NormsRevenge
AVOID BREATHING THE AIR



14 posted on 04/06/2005 9:02:00 PM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: stylin19a

Coals from various regions can be identified through mineral ash analysis. Metals and other identifiers vary from coal to coal and, if there are no emission controls, these IDs can be picked out of the dust blowing out of industrial chimneys into the prevailing west to east wind. Because coals in the world are known and traded, we know that Chinese industrial pollution is falling out over the Great Lakes. You can find it in the fish.


15 posted on 04/06/2005 9:02:16 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: NormsRevenge
When you base your energy on soft coal there is a down side!
16 posted on 04/06/2005 9:02:41 PM PDT by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart 3/18/05 American was gone when I woke up)
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To: NormsRevenge

We get some of their crud over here, you can see it as different shades of yellow, brown, or blue when looking toward the Alaska Range from Fairbanks. We also get raw smoke from Mongolia and Indonesia.


17 posted on 04/06/2005 9:04:45 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: NormsRevenge
I love the smell of freshly made $159 Sneakers in the morning...It smells like....#&$!.
18 posted on 04/06/2005 9:10:10 PM PDT by dirtydanusa (100% American, no Jap cars, no Chinese shoes.)
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To: traviskicks

You think private business is responsible for this pollution? In China?


19 posted on 04/06/2005 9:13:25 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Fast1
When you base your energy on soft coal there is a down side!

We've been there.


Donora, PA at noon on Oct. 29, 1948
as deadly smog envelops the town.

20 posted on 04/06/2005 9:22:07 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: farmfriend


21 posted on 04/06/2005 9:25:20 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: NormsRevenge

I was there in November. Any amount of physical exertion produced a burning sensation in the lungs. Not pleasant at all.


22 posted on 04/06/2005 9:29:35 PM PDT by UncleDick
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To: this_ol_patriot
The old timers had a saying a dark sky meant a good payday or something like that.

Now-days it means lung cancer!
23 posted on 04/06/2005 10:59:02 PM PDT by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart 3/18/05 American was gone when I woke up)
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To: Rocky

You think private business is responsible for this pollution? In China?


True private business doesn't even exist in china.


24 posted on 04/07/2005 12:45:36 AM PDT by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: followerofchrist
"They need environmentalists. We don't appreciate them often enough. Without them, we have...Bejing."

I can't recall too many "environmentalists" objecting to China's pollution index. Have you?

25 posted on 04/07/2005 12:48:31 AM PDT by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Sweet Lord! Is that for real??? High noon???


26 posted on 04/07/2005 12:50:21 AM PDT by hoagy62 (The reason for the Second Amendment is in case all the others fail.)
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To: hoagy62
Oh yes, here's a Google on Donora smog and lots of interesting things come up, it was the incident that brought air quality to the forefront back then. It was a lethal fog of sulfur dioxide, carbon monoxide and metal dust, zinc, from the zinc works there. 20 people died. My Dad used to tell us about it.

We used to go past the Palmerton, PA zinc works back in the 60's on the way to Phillies games. It stripped an entire mountainside of trees and always stunk to high heavens but the money and the jobs were there. Here's a linked picture of that. It's cleaned up now.

Really though we weren't concerned that much back then. I grew up in the hard coal region of NE PA and we had culm banks in our back yards and coal trucks all over the place. We all burned coal and grew up blowing black snot all the time.

27 posted on 04/07/2005 2:54:19 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Rocky

You think private business is responsible for this pollution? In China?
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At least partially. I wonder what %. Although, I do recall Eastern Europe was much more polluted under the communists. Good point.


28 posted on 04/07/2005 5:41:50 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: NormsRevenge

Red Chinese, yellow China.


29 posted on 04/07/2005 5:45:10 AM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
This is another reason why all the industrial jobs are going to communist China.

They don't mind poisoning their citizens/slaves as they crank out shoddy garbage for Wal Mart.

And no pesky lawyers or public activists to get in the way either, they just disappear in the middle of the night.

Yeah, communist China a capitalist paradise!

30 posted on 04/07/2005 5:52:56 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: Torie
The Olympics should be an interesting event in this venue. Don't look for any record times.

Coming to an Olympics near you!

Guy: "She said she choked on a chunk of air"


What's that stink?

31 posted on 04/07/2005 5:58:59 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Bonaparte

"I can't recall too many "environmentalists" objecting to China's pollution index. Have you?"

I wouldn't know, because they are probably illegal in China. As for leftists here, I have heard complaints. But what can they do?


32 posted on 04/07/2005 8:20:44 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: NormsRevenge; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ..
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
33 posted on 04/07/2005 1:20:18 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?!?)
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To: steel_resolve

WHen Cina breaks it will not be pretty, and it is coming.


34 posted on 04/07/2005 1:22:43 PM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!


35 posted on 04/07/2005 1:27:44 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: farmfriend

Dust from eroding yellow cake?


36 posted on 04/07/2005 1:58:37 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Have the Democrats,our RINOs and their MSM ever met a skunk too stinking to snuggle up to?)
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To: followerofchrist

Fortunately, they can do to environmentalists and labor union types in China (like in the photos of the Tibetans they executed) things we couldn't even consider here....


37 posted on 04/07/2005 2:06:40 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Hey Hey-- Ho Ho Haugen Haas have gotta go!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Snicker!


38 posted on 04/07/2005 2:32:02 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?!?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pay no attention to the smoldering yellow haze smothering the failed socialist state.


39 posted on 04/07/2005 2:36:22 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I don't see the problem...These American companies couldn't wait to get out of the U.S. of A. fast enough to be free from all these environmental and safety regulations...Now they're free and making busloads of money...

If we can just get rid of precipitators, waste water treatment plants and the County sewage treatment facilities so the companies can go back to dumping that stuff into the lakes and rivers, maybe we can get some of that business back...Lousy regulations anyway...


40 posted on 04/07/2005 6:07:55 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NormsRevenge

Doesn't suprise me a bit. The only time I ever saw Hong Kong when flying in was when a typhoon had blown all the pollution out to sea. It's worse in the mainland. 6 months after a building is built, it'll have black pollution streaks down it.

The rivers are BLACK. Not brown, not yellow, BLACK. It's nasty. Dirty country.


41 posted on 04/07/2005 6:15:16 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Schwaeky

"Fortunately, they can do to environmentalists and labor union types in China (like in the photos of the Tibetans they executed) things we couldn't even consider here...."

That's why they live in a sewer.


42 posted on 04/07/2005 7:08:15 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: NormsRevenge

43 posted on 04/07/2005 7:10:22 PM PDT by traumer
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To: followerofchrist
"But what can they do?"

Seems to me they could do some of the same things they've done when critical of American environmental policies and practices -- organize protests and demonstrations in front of the Chinese embassies and consulates, demand that China sign on to Kyoto, call for boycotts of Chinese goods, pressure Congress to impose restrictions on trade, step into the MSM spotlight.

Maybe I'm just naive, but I can't see what would stop them -- unless they're just reluctant to put pressure on a communist country.

44 posted on 04/07/2005 10:07:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: Bonaparte

Excellent suggestions. You are right. If environmentalists are truly thinking globally, they would stage huge protests and demand our government take action. But if our government doesn't take action to protect children in China against slave labor (we get cheaper trinkets), what makes you think they would impose sanctions for the environment? And would conservatives attack them for demanding such action? I think they would.


45 posted on 04/08/2005 5:52:12 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist
It is said that there are never any guarantees.

Back in the 18th century, Britain took no steps to protect the people of India from similar and worse abuses. As far as I know, only one man in England even cared. Eventually, that was enough.

46 posted on 04/08/2005 7:08:58 PM PDT by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: followerofchrist
Q: What do you call an environmentalist protestor in China?

A: Target practice!

47 posted on 04/08/2005 7:12:06 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Don't forget Centralia, PA.


48 posted on 04/08/2005 7:13:38 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: followerofchrist
"Fortunately, they can do to environmentalists and labor union types in China (like in the photos of the Tibetans they executed) things we couldn't even consider here...."

That's why they live in a sewer.

Well, they made their bed, now they have to lay in it...

49 posted on 04/09/2005 6:35:04 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Hey Hey-- Ho Ho Haugen Haas have gotta go!)
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To: farmfriend; All

Thanks for the ping!

...Of course, even the most foul pollutants 'Made in China' would never BEGIN to have the same deleterious effects as mere 'exhaling' would around here!

(...Yes, I *AM* gonna HAVE to post that graphic again... sorry.)


50 posted on 04/09/2005 7:10:39 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Benedict Arnold was a 'war hero' TOO... Before he became a Traitor.")
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