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Oil tanker outruns swarm of pirates in strait chase
The Standard ^ | 4/6/05

Posted on 04/06/2005 8:37:59 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter

A huge Japanese-owned crude oil tanker came under attack from a gang of pirates in the Singapore Strait but managed to shake them off through the captain's evasion tactics.

``Pirates in seven small fishing boats surrounded the tanker and attempted to board it late Tuesday,'' said Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau's Kuala Lumpur-based Piracy Reporting Center.

The 150,000-tonne Yohteisan, the length of a football field, was headed east just past the southern tip of the Malacca Strait in heavy rain and poor visibility when the incident occurred near Indonesia's Karimun islands.

Choong said the captain's tactics to shake off the pirates included increasing speed and added that all crew members are safe and the tanker has continued with its journey.

He said the tanker could have posed an environmental disaster if the pirates had succeeded in boarding the ship and taken over control.

``Anything could have happened,'' he said. ``Singapore, of course, will take this attack seriously.''

Another maritime official said tankers the size of the Yohteisan would be ideal for militants to use to block choke points in the narrow Malacca Strait or in the Singapore Strait.

That scenario has been advanced several times recently.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestandard.com.hk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Japan
KEYWORDS: malaccastrait; maritime; oil; pirate; transportation
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1 posted on 04/06/2005 8:37:59 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Straight Vermonter

Pirates take over a tanker that has sattelite watch dogs over it...

Militants (aka muslim terrorists) or pirates?


2 posted on 04/06/2005 8:43:19 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: joesnuffy

Heh--I suspect these ae NOT pirates.


3 posted on 04/06/2005 8:46:01 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Straight Vermonter
...the captain's tactics to shake off the pirates included increasing speed...

Good idea.

4 posted on 04/06/2005 8:46:49 PM PDT by SquirrelKing (Tagline removed by moderator.)
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To: joesnuffy; RS; Kretek

Woo-HOO! We have a winner in 2!

Could be, actually...but a winner nonetheless


5 posted on 04/06/2005 8:47:21 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: joesnuffy

If the Strait were closed off by sinking one of these tankers in the worst possible place, how long would it take to clear the passage? Would three days strain the resources of the regions on the receiving end of the transport route? How about a week? A month? Tankers could go around, but service would be interrupted and would be much more expensive, driving the cost of oil up.


6 posted on 04/06/2005 8:47:53 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Piracy disappeared when there was a Carrier Battle Group in the region helping with the Tsunami relief. Maybe it would be good training for our Sailors and Marines to rid this region of Pirates. Remember the second stanza of the Marine Corps hymn refers to eliminating pirates.
7 posted on 04/06/2005 8:50:40 PM PDT by Sthitch
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To: joesnuffy

In this area of the world they are likely either one - depending on the needs of the day.


8 posted on 04/06/2005 8:50:56 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Let's pull the feeding tube of the American left - Defund NPR/PBS/CBP and the LSC)
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To: the Real fifi; joesnuffy; Straight Vermonter

Argggggghhhh. An Oil Tanker. That cargo will fetch a pretty price!

9 posted on 04/06/2005 8:52:44 PM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

This is one of those areas where this stuff has been going on for decades, and suddenly the MSM decided to start writing articles on it, making it look like a new problem.


10 posted on 04/06/2005 8:53:40 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: joesnuffy
Militants (aka muslim terrorists) or pirates

Good question. Malaysia won't allow Japan Coast Guard to patrol Malacca Strait
From an economic and strategic perspective the Strait of Malacca is one of the most important shipping lanes in the world, an equivalent of the Suez Canal, or the Panama Canal. The Strait forms the main ship passageway between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean, linking three of the world's most populous nations: India, Indonesia and China. The Strait carries 50,000 vessels per year, carrying between one-fifth and one quarter of the world's sea trade. Half of all oil shipments carried by sea come through the Strait, in 2003, an estimated 11 million barrels a day, a trade that is expected to expand as oil consumption rises in China. As the Strait is only one-and-a-half nautical miles wide at its narrowest point, Phillips Channel in the Singapore Strait, it form sone of the world's significant traffic bottlenecks (see link).

All these factors have caused the area to become a target for piracy and a perceived target for terrorism. Piracy has been a considerable problem in the Strait in recent years, rising from around 25 attacks in 1994 to a record 220 in 2000. Just over 150 attacks were carried out in 2003. This accounted for around one-third of all piracy in 2003.

The number of attacks rose again in the first half of 2004, and the total number is expected to top the 2000 record. In response to the rising crisis, the Malaysian, Indonesian and Singaporean navies stepped up their patrols of the area in July 2004.

Fears of terrorism rest on the possibility that a large ship could be pirated and sunk at a shallow point in the Strait (it is just 25m deep at its shallowest part), effectively blocking the Strait. If successfully achieved, the attack would have a devastating effect on world trade. Opinions amongst security specialists differ about the feasibility and likelihood of such an attack.

Strait of Malacca


11 posted on 04/06/2005 8:54:33 PM PDT by Milhous
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To: Sthitch
yes , but we can't do that 'over there' !
They are good little Malay and Indonesian muslims!
If we start messing with them they couldn't be busy pumping out more little muslims , and their countries could never allow that!....
12 posted on 04/06/2005 8:55:16 PM PDT by injin
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To: Straight Vermonter

Seven fishing boats vs an oil tanker? Couldn't the tanker simply disgorge fifty thousand gallons of payload and then light a match?


13 posted on 04/06/2005 8:57:36 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (“I am happy, be it yourselves as well.”...Pope John Paul II, March, 2005)
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To: joesnuffy
Militants (aka muslim terrorists) or pirates?

``Pirates in seven small fishing boats surrounded the tanker and attempted to board it late Tuesday,''

I would think that if it was a planned terrorist operation, it would have been immediately sunk. Something doesn't seem right with this version of events. JMO

14 posted on 04/06/2005 8:59:11 PM PDT by WildPlum
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To: injin
I completely understand that. Actually, I suspect that much of the piracy is looked upon favorably by these governments. The pirates take a larger piece of the shipping pie than either Malaysia, or Indonesia can. The vast majority of these ships just cruise on past the ports of these countries on there way to Japan, China or the United States, the pirates take a little cut for the non-producing Muslim countries in the way.
15 posted on 04/06/2005 9:00:43 PM PDT by Sthitch
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I wonder why Lloyds does not required an armed crew/ship. I would think a Bofors system could be adapted to deal with these situations.


16 posted on 04/06/2005 9:01:16 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
I wonder why Lloyds does not required an armed crew/ship. I would think a Bofors system could be adapted to deal with these situations.

Standard policy is not to resist at all. Though I think water cannons have been used some.

17 posted on 04/06/2005 9:03:15 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Sthitch
Thinking along the line of the 'raiders' used in WWII. Looks like a tramp steamer until a threat arrives and then the gloves come off. A couple of mounted deck guns and enough 20mm to take care of anything short of a naval warship.

Hell, you could man it with a bunch of squids from this site as a vacation cruise.

18 posted on 04/06/2005 9:11:51 PM PDT by 11Bush (If the shootin' don't start soon, I'll have to mount the Ma-Duece on my wheelchair.)
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To: Strategerist

"Standard policy is not to resist at all. Though I think water cannons have been used some."

Personally I prefer a diesel cannon and the last remnants of a stogie.


19 posted on 04/06/2005 9:12:27 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby!)
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To: Straight Vermonter; All

I don't know if this is against maritime laws or not...but have some of these companies thought about arming the sailors aboard these ships?

Or how 'bout placing a small security detail aboard each ship?

Nothing says Hello (to a pirate) better than a blazing .50 caliber machine gun.

It seems like the cost of arming the sailors or having a security detail would be cheaper than losing an entire ship.

Opinions anyone?


20 posted on 04/06/2005 9:13:53 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

In World War II they had a gun mounted on merchant ships and I think a military gunner aboard.

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea today.


21 posted on 04/06/2005 9:19:11 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: MplsSteve

How about a market based solution? Someone could start selling security escorts through the strait. Pick up the heavy hitters off the coast of Singapore then drop them off on the other side of the strait.


22 posted on 04/06/2005 9:23:25 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Straight Vermonter; RightWhale; Milhous
FWIW - the maximum speed of a displacement boat/ship is determined by it's length.
M = 1.34*sqrt(length of ship at waterline).
Out running small fishing boats is rather easy. Although these ships should have their own versions of Pinkertons.
RW - If they sank a tanker in the strait, a follow up by SEALs could clean the channel in 1 or 2 days, tops.
Milhous - Malaysia won't let the Japanese in, but the Indonesian coast guard is up in Japan being trained for just this kind of work right now.
23 posted on 04/06/2005 9:28:46 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: MplsSteve; Sam Cree

I think many cargo ships of various kinds do routinely carry weapons. I don't know about the big company supertankers and such, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

The best weapon they have though, is the ship itself, and maneuvering. A three or four hundred foot tanker moving at full ahead is not something anybody will wanna come very close to, especially if they are trying to not be boarded.

Boarding a ship that big moving at speed is not a trivial problem. It's complex enough when the crew is trying to help you board, but if they are in a "repel boarders" mode... its gonna be tough to pull off. Somebody pulls close aboard and tosses a grapple up... they're pretty much going to die if they think they can climb that rope.


24 posted on 04/06/2005 9:28:54 PM PDT by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: the Real fifi; Travis McGee; blam
"Heh--I suspect these ae NOT pirates."

Terrorists will simply use a mine.

Those guys were pirates.

25 posted on 04/06/2005 9:32:36 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MplsSteve

According to the article they have not killed anyone despite all the piracy they have done. I'd think they would be more ruthless if they were terrorists, they could just be locals with little or no options to provide for their village. Is this an area where the infrastructure was wiped out by the tsunami?


26 posted on 04/06/2005 9:32:59 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: ProudVet77

I'm not sure this straight is even small enough water to have one sunk ship seriously impair navigation. I haven't been through there, but from the diagram it looks like a pretty big crick.


27 posted on 04/06/2005 9:33:16 PM PDT by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: Teflonic

No. The Strait of Malacca was unaffected by the Tsunami.


28 posted on 04/06/2005 9:35:02 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: the Real fifi

Oh, they're pirates alright. That whole corner of the world, from Indonesia around to Yemen... is just lousy with them.

It does sound a little odd that they'd go after an oil tanker... just 'cause if they're after stealing the cargo and pocketing the money, not many ports can handle that sort of clandestine offload.


29 posted on 04/06/2005 9:37:24 PM PDT by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: Ramius

It's wider than the English Channel.
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/world/A0831307.html
But if worse case, if it's floating it could be pulled away from the scene. If it's not the USAF could bomb it into tiny bits within a few hours (Diego Garcia is pretty close). And the SEALs could destroy any protruding metal that interferes with ships.


30 posted on 04/06/2005 9:43:42 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Any info on the Methane Tanker that was hijacked last month?


31 posted on 04/06/2005 9:43:58 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: TheLion

Yes, merchant ships wer armed.

Nice shot of somebody sitting on a Liberty Ship's deck gun.

http://ontour.blogs.com/photos/san_francisco/david_on_liberty_ship_at_san_fran2.html

And

http://ontour.blogs.com/photos/san_francisco/jonathan_trying_to_remember_boy_scout_tr.html

http://www.usmm.org/libertyships.html

Libertys carried a crew of about 44 and 12 to 25 Naval Armed Guard. Some were armed with:

One 4 inch stern gun
Two 37 mm bow guns
Six 20 mm machine guns

http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/twhp/wwwlps/lessons/116liberty_victory_ships/116facts2.htm

Victory ships typically carried a crew of 62 civilian merchant sailors and 28 naval personnel to operate defensive guns and communications equipment. The crew quarters were located amidships. The Victory ships were different from the Liberty ships primarily in propulsion, the steam engine of the Liberty giving way to the more modern, faster steam turbine.


32 posted on 04/06/2005 9:44:12 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Only those without honor eat dead food, rather than making every meal a fight!)
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To: TheLion
In World War II they had a gun mounted on merchant ships and I think a military gunner aboard.

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea today.



They don't need that. If the Captain only would order the crew members to man all the firefighter guns that are placed all along the center of the vessel on oil tankers. If somebody would try enter the ship, just start the engine salt water pumps and flush them all overboard again. You've seen pictures of the water canons tug boats in N.Y. displays when a new luxury liner enter the port. Get the idea?
33 posted on 04/06/2005 9:52:35 PM PDT by danamco
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To: ProudVet77
Out running small fishing boats is rather easy.


Pirates don't use fishing boats. They use speed boats with the double speed of tanker's 15-18 knots, max!!!
34 posted on 04/06/2005 9:56:06 PM PDT by danamco
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To: ApplegateRanch

That last link was really interesting....thanks.


35 posted on 04/06/2005 9:57:28 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: danamco

Sure, the speed boats can catch the tanker... but boarding is not a simple thing. There's a pretty massive bow wave combined with whatever seas are there at the time... and if the captain is doing some snaky curves, rocking the ship and twisting left and right... trying to board would be something more than a small adventure.


36 posted on 04/06/2005 10:05:51 PM PDT by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: TheLion

right about the armed ships of ww2---they called the gun crews US Navy 'armed guard'--the merchant marine crews got the high risk pay and the 'swabbies' had to settle for 21-30 bucks a month even tho' the risks were equal but no one wants to talk about that--ww2 naval service vet


37 posted on 04/06/2005 10:06:41 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: danamco

Sorry, I was going by the posted article, which stated - ``Pirates in seven small fishing boats surrounded the tanker and attempted to board it late Tuesday,''


38 posted on 04/06/2005 10:11:48 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: danamco
"Out running small fishing boats is rather easy." I guess you really didn't bother to read the article. "Choong said the captain's tactics to shake off the pirates included increasing speed"

As to the other posts about arming tankers or merchants, are you sure you want to trust a tanker crew? Better to have the local Navy/Coast Guard defend them. A lot of these tanker crews are of questionable backgrounds, and if you give the ship guns which they can use it makes matters worse. It's why guards in prisons don't carry guns.
39 posted on 04/06/2005 10:19:00 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: Ramius

Amen--lots of fun climbing a rope ladder up the side of a ship, especially in rain or snow and ice---even if the ship is moving 'dead slow' you have to contend with the bow wave riding back along the side and the sea height of waves as well---brings back memories of the months I spent on "Security Boarding Detail" for New York harbor with the US Coast Guard after war was declared in Dec '41--eating and sleeping (when off duty) was an experience on some of the filthy foriegn freighters that came into port (Americans never know how good we really have it)---most of them did not want us on board anyway and did nothing to make life pleasant at the time---however, it was a wee bit better than Atlantic Sea Frontier patrols on an 83 ft wood hulled cutter and D-Day at Normandy with CG Resflo 1 (and to think that it took years before I learned the Coast Guard never was a Normandy, according to my local veterans service officer)--God Bless and keep our troops


40 posted on 04/06/2005 10:26:14 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: cmotormac44

Roger that, Shipmate.

CGC Polar Sea, and CGC Resolute here. Was a QM2. Did many boardings.


41 posted on 04/06/2005 10:32:53 PM PDT by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: Ramius

CMoMM here from those wonderful, clean lined ,bouncing little cutters--hey, we had a refrigerator in the galley and you could dry your clothes in the engineroom--in those days, it was a luxury---memories, memories, how they flow thru' the mind--Semper Paratus


42 posted on 04/06/2005 10:40:36 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: ApplegateRanch
Betcha don't know the last Liberty Ship in the US Navy. Designation etc. Fate, etc.

8^)

Nam Vet

43 posted on 04/06/2005 11:09:44 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Ramius

I have heard of them getting successfully aboard freighters, but agree it would be damned difficult under the circumstances you describe. I always keep a good distance from freighters and tankers off Miami, anyway it makes the skippers nervous if you come close.


44 posted on 04/07/2005 12:26:48 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Straight Vermonter; Travis McGee

That's a rather small tanker actually.

Glad they got away.


45 posted on 04/07/2005 12:34:33 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: Nam Vet
Betcha don't know the last Liberty Ship in the US Navy. Designation etc

Not if it isn't the O'Brien at San Francisco, I don't.

But, since you are a Nam Vet (Thanks!) I may very well have shipped you some ammo, grenades, bombs, or other goodies, mainly via Victory Ships. I worked the Naval Weapons Station, Port Chicago (Calif) docks in the late 60's.

We also had a few old scows owned by States Lines, as well as some 'independents' to load, and I do believe we had a wheezy, creaky, Liberty come in once or twice.

The Navy docks for Navy ammunition ships (IIRC, USS Pyro, and one or two others) were downstream from us. We loaded the DOD shipments to Cam Rahn, Da Nang, Subic Bay, etc.

46 posted on 04/07/2005 1:39:40 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Only those without honor eat dead food, rather than making every meal a fight!)
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To: WildPlum
Does sound like a foraging expedition ~ that's why they brought 7 boats with them.

Then, rob the crew of their personals and cash, and hat up!

Somebody sinks a big ship out in the straits these fellows are out of business.

47 posted on 04/07/2005 5:19:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Strategerist

"This is one of those areas where this stuff has been going on for decades, and suddenly the MSM decided to start writing articles on it, making it look like a new problem."

It's been happening about once or twice a week for years now and thats just the cases that are reported.


48 posted on 04/07/2005 5:22:33 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Enterprise; Mad_Tom_Rackham; Bloody Sam Roberts
Arrrr!

4/7/05: 'Pirate' Forces Run-Off Election At N.C. State

Earlier thread on FR:
'Pirate' On Ballot For Student Body President At N.C. State

49 posted on 04/07/2005 5:24:08 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Standing athwart FR, yelling 'Stop!')
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To: SquirrelKing
Pirates in seven small fishing boats surrounded the tanker...

I think running into them and sinking them would be a good choice too...

50 posted on 04/07/2005 5:27:06 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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