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Yankee Group slams 'Linux extremists'
ZDNet UK ^ | 7 April 2005 | Ingrid Marson

Posted on 04/07/2005 1:09:46 PM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: aspiring.hillbilly
which is forking over $600 bucks to the richest man in the world for cdroms that basically cost 50 cents to reproduce

This is the same argument that socialized health care advocates use against drug companies - "it only costs the drug companies 15 cents to manufacture each cancer treatment pill yet they charge $100 a bottle!!!" Of course this argument ignores the cost of R&D and the huge financial risks involved.

The cost of the cdrom has nothing to do with the price charged for software - its just a distribution medium.

I'm typing this message on Firefox so I'm not against free software. I just have a problem with individuals decrying a company for trying to make a profit.

21 posted on 04/07/2005 2:08:41 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Still Thinking
Getting ready to try out Mandrake 10.1...

I think you mean Mandriva.

22 posted on 04/07/2005 2:09:33 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Mandrake 10.1

I use Mandrake 10.1 and feel it's the best Linux version out there. I converted from Windows about 3 months ago.

23 posted on 04/07/2005 2:15:15 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: ShadowAce

why does this not surprise me?


24 posted on 04/07/2005 2:17:40 PM PDT by NoClones
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To: JeffAtlanta

Exactly. The some of the "crazies" she is talking about seem to be posting to this thread. I'm all for the use of alternative products. This hatred of Microsoft disgusts me though. This is a CONSERVATIVE forum. Like it or not, but it is. One of the key tenets of CONSERVITISM is CAPITILISM. That means a company has the right to SELL a product for PROFIT. You guys want something for free. You can sign up for the socialistic plan if you wish, but don't spread your filth around here about it... Linux has every right to exist. I love the idea. I have it on my laptop. (2.6) At the same time however, I realize Microsoft is a corporation that exists to make money. There are around 30,000 employees at Microsoft worldwide, all of which need income. The $200 (home edition is only $99-$120 on newegg.com) is used to pay those programmers, not to make CDs. Step into the real world for just a brief second. I mean, I'm sure most of you read. You buy books then. Do you HONESTLY believe that a book costs $30 to make? HECK NO. $.25 tops. It's paper for goodness sake. Yet, it costs more... why? Because the paper company has lots of employees, the publisher has lots of employees, and the author needs SOME compensation. Use some logic people. Good grief...


25 posted on 04/07/2005 2:19:23 PM PDT by plewis1250
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To: Mr. Jeeves

there still are a few OS/2 loonies, in coo-advocaty, we call them the FUD4


26 posted on 04/07/2005 2:22:24 PM PDT by markman46
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To: JeffAtlanta

"I just have a problem with individuals decrying a company for trying to make a profit."

I guess the line is blurred between 'profit' and 'honest profit'...
The endless argument could start here about the origin of MS and its high connections... But there is no point.

As left and right always be in disagreement, the 'honest profit' defition will depend on the angle from the person observe it...

But as Linux getting more user-friendly the customer can make a fair choice...
Europe already ditching MS...



27 posted on 04/07/2005 2:24:14 PM PDT by bozot
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To: Jokelahoma

It's like my networking instructor said, "It's just an operating system, it ain't a religion!"


28 posted on 04/07/2005 2:26:59 PM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: ShadowAce
"There's an extremist fringe of Linux loonies who hang out on forums and are disrespectful and threatening because you disagree with them," DiDio told ZDNet UK on Wednesday. "That can hurt the Linux community."

She is right, but this is true of any community. Hell there are people on this forum who slam anything but windows and who call Linux users communist...

29 posted on 04/07/2005 2:28:37 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3
there are people on this forum who slam anything but windows and who call Linux users communist..

Really? Have you actually seen these posts? I never would've guessed....

< /humor >

30 posted on 04/07/2005 2:30:11 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: antiRepublicrat

whoa there!


31 posted on 04/07/2005 2:30:14 PM PDT by NoClones
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
Linux is basically free; microsoft charges and outrageous amount.

Not at the enterprise level. Where Linux saves yuo money is in the dev and test areas of large IT shops (those who can afford robust test and dev environments). If you want support on a linux server youre going to pay about as much.

32 posted on 04/07/2005 2:30:48 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: ShadowAce
"I've lived through the Unix wars — none of them reacted in this way," said DiDio. "It's just software. This has got way out of proportion."

I agree - it's just software for cripes sake. Some of these nuts need to get a life, or a job, or a girlfriend. I've never understood why any individual gives a hoot about what computer, operating system, web browser, etc. another person uses.

33 posted on 04/07/2005 2:30:53 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: plewis1250
There are around 30,000 employees at Microsoft worldwide, all of which need income. The $200 (home edition is only $99-$120 on newegg.com) is used to pay those programmers, not to make CDs.

And then you have college kids busily writing software and giving it away for free (which is their right to do), then graduate and wonder why they can't find a job where someone will pay them to do it! Why should a company pay them? The batch of college kids behind them are still doing it for free!

34 posted on 04/07/2005 2:36:13 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: plewis1250
This hatred of Microsoft disgusts me though.

What I have seen has not been attacking MS, its been attacking her? now she may or may not be a shill I dont know her work but youre off base here..

35 posted on 04/07/2005 2:38:22 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: Mr. Jeeves
They used to be OS/2 loonies until IBM said Linux was OK. ;)

Whatever you do, don't mention the Amiga.

36 posted on 04/07/2005 2:44:59 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: mdmathis6; ShadowAce
Seriously it should run fine but take care that you have the drivers you'll need to run the audio and video on the notebook correctly!

I tried the live Knoppix CD (based on Debian 3.3) on the same machine and it didn't seem to have trouble with any of the hardware except for running abysmally slow (no doubt due to running off the CD).

ShadowAce, I checked out that link. Wierd name, Mandriva, sounds like the angry Hindu goddess of computing! LOL

37 posted on 04/07/2005 2:46:02 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: ShadowAce
"I've lived through the Unix wars" LOL, like some post apocalyptic nightmare - we somehow all survived! Back in the early NT days, UNIX was the easy sell. NT just wasn't up to par back then, especially on transaction servers. Some might argue it still isn't, but its lighyears from where it came. My only complaints with Microsoft these days are the licensing arrangements.
38 posted on 04/07/2005 2:51:11 PM PDT by stacytec
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To: N3WBI3

I'm talking about in general. If you have EVER read some of the stuff she is referring to, you would easily see the seething hatred for this company...


39 posted on 04/07/2005 2:56:52 PM PDT by plewis1250
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To: ShadowAce

Brent Noorda on the didiot:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050407113517663

"But the journalistic integrity of any publication is
defeated when articles, such as those recently appearing
in the Salt Lake Tribune, include quotes from “analysts”
who are completely misleading and just plain wrong about
nearly every fact and interpretation. When the information
provided by analysts like Rob Enderle and Laura DiDio
weren’t incorrect, their statements represented
speculation more fitting to a daytime soap opera than to
the business section of a newspaper."

Brent's sister (Val) recently committed suicide.


40 posted on 04/07/2005 2:59:46 PM PDT by Boundless
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