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Minutemen Are Heroes (Citizens Can Make A Real Difference Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/08/05 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 04/07/2005 10:14:56 PM PDT by goldstategop

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Aren't y'all excited by what American citizens can do to shut down illegal immigation along our borders? Our Minutemen have demonstrated citizens CAN make a real difference. We didn't ask Washington to act; WE did. And its time to keep more of this up til an Israeli-style security fence is built along our entire 2200 mile border with Mexico. If there's the will, it can be done. In the meantime, speak up for them.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
1 posted on 04/07/2005 10:14:58 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Wasn't Joseph Farah one of those Y2K survivalists?


2 posted on 04/07/2005 10:19:00 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: goldstategop

Let us not forget about enlarging the USCG. With the WOT, we need larger, more responsive Coast Guard to defend our least patrolled border - the oceans.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 10:19:16 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: goldstategop
Very well written, and I agree 100%.

Hubby is signed up for later this month!

4 posted on 04/07/2005 10:21:16 PM PDT by NordP (Keeping America Great - Rice/Hughes in 2008 ! -- What do you mean, she won't run?)
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To: Army Air Corps

Good point.


5 posted on 04/07/2005 10:21:44 PM PDT by NordP (Keeping America Great - Rice/Hughes in 2008 ! -- What do you mean, she won't run?)
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To: goldstategop

I fully support these people.

The more we push this, the more politically obvious it will be for Washington to take serious action.

I think everyone in DC is more afraid of being called anti-hispanic than defending thier obligations and oaths.

Time will bring the smarter politicians over to the side of sanity. Will know we've gotten there when Hillary stands a post.


6 posted on 04/07/2005 10:23:35 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Army Air Corps
Bush 41 "Read my lips....."

Clinton "I did not have sexual..."

Bush 43 "I'm against vigilantism..."

7 posted on 04/07/2005 10:24:49 PM PDT by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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To: Greenpees

I know a lot of hispanics who are in favour of cracking-down on illegal immigration; however, their voices are drowned out by the rabid leftist kooks who think that everyone has a right to violate our borders.


9 posted on 04/07/2005 10:26:33 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: goldstategop
We didn't ask Washington to act; WE did

The Founders would be proud.
10 posted on 04/07/2005 10:26:40 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: goldstategop

This could all go sideways, still (and there are plenty of people working hard to make that happen), but as of now, it looks like the MMP is about to light a real populist grassfire.

Now if we could just get Hugh Hewitt to stop making snide comments about them.


11 posted on 04/07/2005 10:27:18 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: grandmastwinkle1
The Minutemen are showing us not only how to seal our borders and protect our national security, they are demonstrating how we can take back our country from the political establishment.


12 posted on 04/07/2005 10:29:52 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: goldstategop

God Bless those men! Its amazing just how righteous the people of this great land are, despite the underhandedness of the Government.


13 posted on 04/07/2005 10:30:24 PM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: goldstategop

BTTT


14 posted on 04/07/2005 10:30:55 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yes, they would. Now, I need to find a lantern for that Liberty Tree - tax day is just around the corner...


15 posted on 04/07/2005 10:32:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: SENTINEL

Bush 43 "I'm against vigilantism..."
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No, IMHO, he is against any force that would either stop or impede the elitist's unification of the continent through ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. He knows he cannot do it legally. I hope someone can prove me wrong.


16 posted on 04/07/2005 10:33:56 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: B4Ranch

they are demonstrating how we can take back our country from the political establishment.
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The reality in this may be more than most can grasp at the moment...


17 posted on 04/07/2005 10:34:48 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: grandmastwinkle1

>>The U.N. will not allow a security fence. It'll never happen.<<

What do you think would happen if a popular footbal star was to start off the project by donating 25 million dollars to build fences on private property that adjoins the border.

The a few more sport stars each throw in a couple of million of their own money while asking all "True Americans" to send just one hours wages to the FENCE fund?

Do you think that the politicians would be able to stop this from growing out of control and the voters demanding that the Feds "fence our land"?

Do you think the politicians would listen or ignore a million calls a day to their offices?

Never underestimate what the American people can do when they decide they want to do it.


18 posted on 04/07/2005 10:38:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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they are demonstrating how we can take back our country from the political establishment.
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The reality in this may be more than most can grasp at the moment...

How true. These 1300 - 1500 volunteers are the folks who hired the ICE/CBP to protect our borders, and the employees ain't gettin' the job done. The employers have had to take time out from their personal lives to show the employees how to git 'er done.

You don't think that's gonna resonate come next election day? I'd bet it will.

19 posted on 04/07/2005 10:40:20 PM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: goldstategop
A recap from the Maha Rushie on Thursday's Show:

We Can't Let Everybody Into This Country

April 7, 2005

ELIZABETH: Studio City, California (joined in progress): I really called because I'm kind of, I guess disappointed in your boasting of the Minuteman Project and not the president's guest worker program. I really am disappointed in that. He's right about Iraq; he was right about Social Security, and he's right about his immigration program, and I don't understand why you don't have senators on there committing to support the president's guest worker program and why you are perpetuating this idea that if you put more, you know, security on the borders they'll stop coming. When these are people who are wiling to die to come here.

RUSH: Whoa, whoa! I didn't do anything of the sort.

CALLER: Well sure you did, Rush. Yesterday you did.

RUSH: I did not. I never said this is going to have a long term impact. I said, "What they're doing now is working. There are fewer immigrants crossing."

CALLER: It's going to work for, what, two weeks? These are people who are willing to die crossing that desert. They are going to find a way to get past them.

RUSH: Well, no, they're not willing to die. That's why they're not coming. They think they're going to die, and the Mexican government is telling them they're going to die because these wacko Minutemen are going to shoot 'em so they're not coming. It's the exact opposite, but I'm not suggesting that as a policy, don't misunderstand, and the Minutemen don't shoot anybody. I'm just saying here that all of a sudden attention has been focused on this -- and guess what? The Mexican government is trying to sabotage it by finding alternate routes but they're not trying to cross where there are monitors to observe it happening. They're willing to die by accident, they're willing to die by, you know, asphyxiation in the back of a cheap van or whatever, but they don't want to get shot.

CALLER: Even though, Rush, the Border Patrol now is focusing on Jose Mexican who just wants to come here to get a job and not the war to terror and drug smugglers. If they were allowed to come here in a orderly fashion or legally, if much more of them were allowed to come here legally, the Border Patrol could focus it's resources on terrorists illegally trying to cross and drug smugglers.

RUSH: Elizabeth, I don't disagree. That's so much pie-in-the-sky. Of course nobody opposes legal immigration. I don't oppose legal immigration. I don't oppose people that want to improve their lives moving here whatsoever. I'm in total support of battening down the hatches when it comes to finding terrorists and bad guys -- who, by the way, probably think Mexico is the safest route -- probably safer than JFK these days. But I still think that the word here that bothers everybody is illegal, and as more illegals come in the US government keeps throwing up its hands and saying, "We can't do anything about this."

CALLER: Well, why do they have to come here illegally? Why can't they just come legally?

RUSH: We've always had limits on it, Elizabeth. We've always have limits.

CALLER: Why do we have to have that limit? There's a demand. We have to meet the realities of the demand for those workers.

RUSH: Now, see, I used to buy into that argument at one point, but I've had my mind -- no, I did. I've had my mind-set straight on this. Any time you are advocating something that supports and maintains low wages, you're ultimately hurting the American worker as well.

CALLER: Oh, really? How's that?

RUSH: This is no different than a minimum wage. When you establish an artificially low wage, what you do is grant businesses the opportunity to only pay that much.

CALLER: That's not what's happening now. Businesses have so much in taxes, and here in California, the minimum wage is $7 an hour, $7.25. It's going up to $7.50 next month.

RUSH: Why not ten?

CALLER: Exactly, so why finish high school when you make ten dollars an hour working at Wal-Mart?

RUSH: Why are you bringing Wal-Mart into this?

CALLER: Well, that's what I'm saying. Wal-Mart, you know, baggers whoever, whatever these immigrants are doing at Wal-Mart or a construction job or what have you are making minimum wage.

RUSH: One of the problems is we're not weeding out the people you're talking about. We're not weeding out the people that want to come here and genuinely improve their lives. What's happening is that way too many are coming here because they're being drawn by the magnet of our social welfare safety net or for whatever other reasons and they're not acculturating and they're not learning the language and they're not following the American path to success.

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RUSH: We have a couple of Minuteman stories here from AP. The first one's out of Tucson. "Three volunteers patrolling the border for illegal immigrants were being investigated after a man told authorities he was held against his will and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan. The volunteers said they were members of the Minuteman Project — a month-long effort... Carol Capas, a sheriff's office spokeswoman, said the 26-year-old Mexican man told agents he was physically restrained and forced to hold a shirt while his picture was taken and he was videotaped. The shirt read: 'Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt.' Barton is one of the three volunteers. He told agents that they waved the man over to them, offered him food and water, and gave him the T-shirt and money before the Border Patrol arrived." Gave him money. How about that? "Meanwhile, Border Patrol apprehensions of illegal immigrants have dropped notably in the Naco area since civilian volunteers began gathering there. Agency spokesmen credit an increased presence by Mexican authorities south of the border and say it's too soon to tell whether the volunteers are having an impact."

Apprehensions are down. The only change is the Minutemen show up because the Minutemen caused the Mexican army to mass on the other side. Whatever. Like Reagan said: Doesn't matter who gets credit as long as good things happen. Another, just to back the story AP: "The number of Mexican migrants trying to sneak into the United States through the Arizona border has dropped by half since hundreds of..." these vigilante right-wing hit squads. You know they're being called a "military militia" now by Reuters? Reuters calls them a right-wing militia, is what the Minutemen are. "The number of Mexican migrants trying to sneak into the United States..." Sneak. Sneak! We're not talking legal here, trying to sneak in. Now that doesn't mean the migrants have given up though. "Most remain determined to cross and say they'll simply avoid the area where the Minutemen are. Grupo Beta, a Mexican government sponsored organization that tries to discourage people from crossing illegally and aids those stranded in the desert, began patrolling the area along with state police officers on Sunday when Minutemen anti-immigrant activists began showing up, and in Mexico, the volunteers are seen as hunters of illegals and racists." In Mexico and Central America the Minutemen are being called racists -- and here's Reuters, "right-wing militia patrolling the Mexican border," blah, blah, blah. Right-wing militia now. Next thing, you know, they're all going to be from Michigan. Yeah, and Reuters cannot use the word "terrorists." Reuters reporters are not allowed to use the word terrorists in describing terrorists but they can call these guys a right-wing militia.

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RUSH: Macy in Los Angeles, I'm glad you called. Welcome to the program.

CALLER: Now, look, Rush, I can't even believe what I'm hearing out of you about this illegal immigration. They're not assimilating and stuff. You need to go read Thomas Sowell's study, [sic], you hear? Because what you just told that girl is wrong. They said the same thing about the Germans; they said the same thing about the Irish in the 1800s and the 1900s, and those people and their families still here today, and they just fine in America, they assimilated just fine, and they were criticized for the same thing, and the other thing you told that lady --

RUSH: Macy?

CALLER: -- they artificially, they had low wages. That bull. Now, you know that's bull.

RUSH: Macy?

CALLER: What?

RUSH: I love you. I really do. Let's take the first of your two points. In fact, let me take a commercial break. Can you hang on throughout commercial break and we can talk further?

CALLER: Yeah, I'll wait.

RUSH: Thanks. I'm looking forward to it.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Anyway back to Macy now in Los Angeles. Macy, your first pint about assimilation, acculturation and how long this debate has been going on and Dr. Sowell. Can I tell you a little story about my grandfather? My grandfather who was born in the early 1890s. I remember one time I was home when he was still alive back in the early nineties and I was talking to him about it. He said, "What's really hot and bothered and getting a lot of discussion on your program today?" I said, "Well, people seem to be bothered by immigration." He said, "You know what my high school debate topic was back in 1908?" I said, "No, what?" "Should we limit, or eliminate immigration by all southern Europeans because they stink. They're filthy," blah, blah, blah. Dr. Sowell is exactly right. These debates have gone on for I don't know how long, but those debates were about legal immigration. Nobody is saying that legal immigrants coming here, that are, you know, following the steps necessary, are not acculturating. It's the people that are not legal. That's all anybody is worried about here. Look at how many places now we have to have signs posted in multiple languages here. That's not acculturation. You know, America has a definite pathway to success, and one of the things you have to do to really succeed in this country is learn to speak the language and those who don't do that are acculturating.

CALLER: The more successful they are, the more they assimilate into society, the more incentive they have to -- when they legally here, they have incentive to further their education here and further their skills here. That's what you don't seem to understand.

RUSH: No, I think it's the other way around. I think those who come here with those attitudes are the ones that get successful. I don't think it's success that breeds the latter, I think it's the previous that breeds success.

CALLER: What?

RUSH: They come here with the right attitude. They want to acculturate. That's what gets them on the road to success. I'm not opposed to any of that. I love that. I know we're a nation of immigrants. There's so much hypocrisy out there though. Where you live in LA a bunch of people are all for illegal immigrants because they're drivers and they're nannies and they don't have to pay them very much.

CALLER: No, they got to -- yeah, they all for illegal -- businesses are for illegal immigrants. But the people are not. The people don't like it at all, and it's mostly because of ignorance, because they don't understand things that Thomas Sowell has talked about and the things that many other economic scholars have talked about, and that's why I can't even believe what I'm hearing out of you, Rush Limbaugh, because you are very much a competition and pro-economic guy, and what you seem to be forgetting is that menial labor often produces the startup capital necessary for the successive generations to attain economic mobility.

RUSH: Macy, wait a minute. You're not hearing me, now. I'm talking about one classification of immigrant, and that's illegal.

CALLER: You're talking about illegals, but they're illegals just like (unintelligible) said because they can't get here legally.

RUSH: Well, get in line. Now, we can't let everybody in the country that wants to come here. We just can't.

CALLER: If you did you would create a --

RUSH: You have to stagger the entrants. We can't flood the market even if they're legal. We can't flood the market. It's gotta happen according to a policy, and the policy should not be based on any kind of discrimination. It just ought to be, "Okay, here's some rules. You want to come to America this is what you have to do." Nobody opposes that. But I get calls sometimes on this issue from people in the agriculture business, and they tell me, "If you succeed in this, if you succeed in getting rid of these illegals and so forth, why your food price is going to skyrocket," and I said, "My taxes are already sky high because I'm having to pay health care benefits for these people." You know, we all pay no matter where you start the calculation. Food may be cheap; taxes are going to be higher to accommodate it one way or another. I guarantee you in California as they come out with more cars that get greater gas mileage, guess what? The gasoline taxes are going to produce less revenues so they're going to have to find a way to replace that so even whatever you save by driving one of these super swanky new hybrids is going to cost you in the end because the government is not going to allow you to pay less. You know, Dr. Sowell is one of my idols. I can imagine why you're surprised, but you've got to be surprised because you're not understanding me.

I'll tell you what: In the spirit of reconciliation, I will tell you that I probably have not communicated this well enough today. That's what I'm hearing from you, if you don't understand it. I thought I had made it plain that we're discussing illegals here, and I'm not denying that some illegals, you know, rise to prominence at some point and get legal. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not the proscribed manner. Nobody wants to shut down the borders to all immigrants, at least I don't. That's not what I'm talking about.

Bottom line from Rush: We can't bring 'em all here. For a lot of reasons. It would be wonderful if our Elite would understand it as well.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
20 posted on 04/07/2005 10:41:23 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Great post. I was there and I SO want to go back


21 posted on 04/07/2005 10:43:19 PM PDT by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Isn't that what conservatives DO? DO things for themselves thtat need to be done?


22 posted on 04/07/2005 10:44:56 PM PDT by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: grandmastwinkle1
THE U.N.
23 posted on 04/07/2005 10:46:23 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: HiJinx

The hair loss in elected offices this summer will be tremendous.


24 posted on 04/07/2005 10:47:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: goldstategop

BUMP!


25 posted on 04/07/2005 10:48:31 PM PDT by adam_az (Support the Minute Man Project - http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: occutegirl

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376856/posts?page=77#77


28 posted on 04/07/2005 10:49:56 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: EagleUSA

>>A revolution has started and the self-serving politicians are at a total loss of how to go about doing damgage control trying to hide the fact the problem even exists in the first place.<<

The politicians and the media are scared s-less about the Minuteman Plan. If they weren't it would be all over the major news channels. This is the beginning of calm, well thought out peoples non violent uprising against the non performers, ie., major government, the Feds.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1372121/posts?page=935#935


29 posted on 04/07/2005 10:51:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: grandmastwinkle1

Screw the bolshevik UN


30 posted on 04/07/2005 10:54:35 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: B4Ranch
You nailed, and it needs repeating. (Disclaimer: I still see things in black and white.)

The Minutemen are showing us not only how to seal our borders and protect our national security, they are demonstrating how we can take back our country from the political establishment.

YEAH!

31 posted on 04/07/2005 10:57:22 PM PDT by Henchster
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To: B4Ranch

I sent ya some e-mail....


32 posted on 04/07/2005 11:00:15 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: goldstategop

The government fails to defend the borders, so ordinary citizens arm, organize, and do it themselves.

What a country. This is very cheering, especially after the Terri Schiavo tragedy.


33 posted on 04/07/2005 11:05:10 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Some people march to the beat of a different drummer. And some people tango!)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Ah, another lame attempt by ClintonBeGone to tar and feather the minute men by association.

Your schtick is getting old, and you're doing more damage than help to your 'cause'.


35 posted on 04/07/2005 11:10:09 PM PDT by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: goldstategop

I'm excited !

"I hope when the American people see that all it takes is will power, that they will demand Washington build an Israeli-style security fence along all 2,000 miles of the border."

excuse me , what they have in Israel (going up) is a Wall ,
a mega Wall, a modern wall. And that is what is needed on our border . Fences can be cut. What we need is a Wall , a wall that can be seen from Space ! With generous , well tended entry points for all legal passage. But as for the rest of the great open spaces , it's high time to close the door (or lose our country as we know it)


36 posted on 04/07/2005 11:10:11 PM PDT by injin
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To: EagleUSA

I don’t think it’s about “elitist unification of the continent”, or anything other high minded intellectual paradigm.

I think it’s about the money, plain and simple. I think our President truly believes that our economic salvation lies in the availability of a class of workers who have to take whatever is offered to them and who can’t stand up for their rights when they are abused.

I believe that he is willing to accept the risk that thousands of us could die because of terrorist infiltration of our country in order to maintain this labor pool.

I believe he is indifferent to the fact that educating, medicating and incarcerating millions of illegal immigrants is costing the taxpayers of this country billions.

I believe President Bush and his colleague, Sr. Fox are both indifferent to the long term damage the separation and disruption of families is having on Mexico and the fact that by using the US for their social problems the government of Mexico becomes weaker and less able to effect positive change in a country that sorely needs it.

I believe President Bush is indifferent to the long-term consequences of hosting a class of people who do not want to assimilate into our culture, and whom we will not permit to assimilate into our culture. Currently there are over 20,000 armed members of the MS-13 “gang” in the United States. If there is ever a real backlash against illegal immigration these people will act “Para La Raza”. We won’t be talking about “unification”. It will be very bloody and a lot of innocent people will be hurt.

Seen in a modern context the Roman Empire fell to what we today would probably call “illegal immigration”. Starting with the abandonment of a string of forts call the Limes, along the Rhine and Danube rivers there was an influx of Germanic people into Roman Gaul. At first the wealthy of the region welcomed them as cheap labor. They never assimilated into Roman culture. When the real throngs started poring across the frontiers a century later the “Roman” legions were composed mostly of German mercenaries who had little interest, beyond their purses, in defending the Roman Empire against their kinsmen. We could go the same way in 100 years or less.


37 posted on 04/07/2005 11:11:51 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: goldstategop
So, what are the odds that "Elizabeth" and "Macy" are government employees in real life?
38 posted on 04/07/2005 11:17:20 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: Army Air Corps

You are coreect...same here.


39 posted on 04/07/2005 11:21:24 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: ClintonBeGone
Wasn't Joseph Farah one of those Y2K survivalists?

Were'nt we all ?
How about posting your patriot resume, so we can compare it to Mr. Farah'S.

40 posted on 04/07/2005 11:33:53 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: Henchster
Long time no see. Good to see your name pop up.I hope all is well. The Picks of your grand kids were wonderful.
41 posted on 04/07/2005 11:42:34 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Are you suggesting that we are a generation away from Adrianople?


42 posted on 04/08/2005 12:23:50 AM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: rmlew

Heres an Associated Press Article....Who is this writer defending?????

Immigrant protests border volunteers’ actions
Authorities deny civilian group held border crosser against his will

Bryan Barton / AFP - Getty Images
A Mexican migrant holds the T-shirt of Bryan Barton, a Minuteman Project volunteer, near Naco, Ariz., on the U.S.-Mexico border, in this April 6 photograph. The Minuteman Project is a volunteer group watching the southeastern Arizona border to deter illegal immigration.
The Associated Press
Updated: 10:47 p.m. ET April 7, 2005TUCSON, Ariz. - Authorities determined Thursday that three volunteers involved in a civilian project to watch the border and report illegal crossers had an illegal immigrant pose for a flippant photograph but did not hold him against his will.

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The Mexican man had told sheriff’s deputies he was detained and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan. A review of a 15-minute videotape provided by Bryan Barton, one of the three volunteers, showed the T-shirt the man was holding read: “Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.” Barton was wearing an identical shirt.

“The county attorney’s office reviewed all available evidence, that indicates that there was no forcible detention, therefore the case is not substantiated, and no charges are pending,” said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff’s Department.

The sheriff’s department, Mexican Consul Miguel Escobar and the U.S. Border Patrol also agreed the 26-year-old man was not detained, said Capas and Border Patrol spokeswoman Andrea Zortman.

The man, who was not identified, apparently did not initially tell a Border Patrol agent he had been detained, but did so when interviewed later by sheriff’s deputies, Capas said. The man alleged when he tried to get away, the volunteers ran in front of him and would not let him go by.

The volunteers involved in Wednesday’s incident identified themselves as members of the Minuteman Project — a monthlong effort that has people from around the country spread out along a stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border to report undocumented migrants and smugglers.

Law enforcement fears
Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence. Mexico’s foreign relations department also pledged in the days leading up to the civilian operation to pursue all legal and diplomatic means to stop the volunteers and ensure they do not violate the rights of Mexican citizens.

The volunteers may alert authorities when they see someone cross the border, but are not allowed to detain anyone. The immigrant who complained he was held illegally was later picked up by the Border Patrol, and remains in custody.

Wednesday’s incident was the first reporting any possible detention, though volunteers earlier assisted an immigrant in distress.

“The Minuteman project has created a powder-keg situation with the potential to go beyond harassment and false imprisonment to real violence,” said Eleanor Eisenberg, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, which has legal observers keeping an eye on Minuteman volunteers.

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43 posted on 04/08/2005 1:51:02 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: jokar
How about posting your patriot resume, so we can compare it to Mr. Farah'S.

Sorry, I don't run with the 'patriot' klan.

44 posted on 04/08/2005 5:59:45 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: goldstategop
RUSH: One of the problems is we're not weeding out the people you're talking about. We're not weeding out the people that want to come here and genuinely improve their lives. What's happening is that way too many are coming here because they're being drawn by the magnet of our social welfare safety net or for whatever other reasons and they're not acculturating and they're not learning the language and they're not following the American path to success.

Yeah but Rush they are good enough to put terraced seating and an overhead projector in Tom Tancredo's basement.

And this comes from someone who would have voted for Arizona's Prop 200.

45 posted on 04/08/2005 6:06:54 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
Even the employer of those contractors were not aware that two members of his crew were illegals. But somehow, Tom was supposed to?

Your agenda is showing. Again...

46 posted on 04/08/2005 6:17:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: B4Ranch

A "National Fence Fund" is an excellent idea! We did that kind of thing to help renovate the Washington Monument.

An electrified fence would be even better. Of course don't expect the Bush, boot licking, elite/globalist crowd to contribute. They still need Jose and Juan to cut the yard and clean the pool.

HOORAH to the Minutemen.


47 posted on 04/08/2005 6:20:31 AM PDT by Quartermaster
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To: goldstategop
Now that we've seen the Minuteman Project in action, we all know it did none of those things

The open border lovers are hysterical because the Minute Men project has been so well run. It is amazing how many traitors there are in America who are not illegals.

48 posted on 04/08/2005 6:35:11 AM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: goldstategop

The fence sounds like a great idea.


49 posted on 04/08/2005 7:10:25 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: goldstategop
Rush:
...they're not acculturating and they're not learning the language and they're not following the American path to success.


Ain't that the truth! Anyone whose not sure about this, come to Bakersfield and I'll show you!
50 posted on 04/08/2005 7:32:36 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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