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Opponents say pass to proposed 'Road Rage Reduction Act' (GET OUT OF THE LEFT LANE!)
http://www.news-journalonline.com ^ | Last update: April 08, 2005 | By JIM HAUG

Posted on 04/08/2005 6:29:31 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican

TALLAHASSEE -- Slowpokes could get a $60 fine for hogging the fast lane and ticking off motorists who want to pass.

The "Road Rage Reduction Act" is speeding through the Legislature following a 27-10 vote in the Senate on Thursday, two days after the House passed a similar bill by an even wider margin, 109-4. A spokesman for Gov. Jeb Bush said the governor must still evaluate the issue.

The bill requires drivers to stay in the right lane unless they're passing a vehicle or making a left turn. Supporters -- including the Florida Sheriffs Association and Florida Police Benevolent Association -- said the bill would ease traffic flow and make it unnecessary for motorists to dangerously maneuver around slower moving vehicles.

Opponents, including Sen. Evelyn Lynn, R-Ormond Beach, said the bill's emphasis on slower drivers was misplaced.

"We should have our police catching all the offenders of speeding," Lynn pleaded on the Senate floor.

In addition to the proposed fine, the bill calls for a three-point penalty on a driver's record (motorists who accumulate 12 points can lose their license). Bill sponsor Mike Bennett, R-Bradenton, had pitched a four-point penalty but critics said it should be less than the four points assessed to reckless drivers.

The proposed law would allow for many exceptions to the right lane rule, such as using the left lane to avoid hydro-planing in a rain storm or to dodge debris in the roadway. Plus, it doesn't apply when there's no one else on the road.

"You can drive from (Tallahassee) to Miami as long as there's no one behind you," Bennett said.

Still, Sen. Rod Smith, D-Gainesville, called it a "traffic ticket enhancement" act, and Rep. Irv Slosberg, D-Boca Raton, one of the few opponents in the House, said it would increase speeding.

Local motorists were mixed in their reaction to the proposal.

Terry Carter, 26, of Holly Hill liked the idea of separating lanes for faster and slower drivers: "Most older people go slow. I have problems when I get cut off by an older person," Carter said.

Donna Parks, 48, of Volusia County said the bill was necessary: "All truck drivers should be in the right lane. Once when I was merging onto the interstate a truck driver was going so slow he almost ran me off the road," she said.

Naamon Lewis of Holly Hill, though, had doubts.

"We got a lot of people that hog that left lane, but I don't know about making a law," Lewis said. "Good gracious. I don't necessarily agree with the fine and (three) points off your license. I think that's stepping a little too far."

-- Staff Writer Eileen Zaffiro contributed to this report.

jim.haug@news-jrnl.com

SIGNS YOU MIGHT BE AN AGGRESSIVE DRIVER

· Do you get angry at drivers who cut you off, tailgate or go slowly?

· Are you impatient at stoplights or when driving in the slow (right) lane?

· Do you compete with other drivers, drag racing from stoplights or moving ahead in traffic jams?

· Do you punish bad drivers by tailgating, cursing, flashing high-beam headlights or blocking drivers attempting to pass?

SOURCE: Adapted from AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety aggressive driving quiz at www.aaafoundation.org/quizzes


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1 posted on 04/08/2005 6:29:31 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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Driving in the left (passing) lane with your turn signal blinking while going 20mph below the posted speed limit for miles and miles is the norm in Florida, where the average age is 72 and the average speed is 12mph


2 posted on 04/08/2005 6:31:59 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I thought it was a basic rule of the road that if you're not passing, you move out of the passing lane. To tell the truth though, I am much more annoyed at people who pass on the right than those who fail to do so on the left.


3 posted on 04/08/2005 6:33:04 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Great idea. One that Ohio needs. People who poke along in the left lane also create higher traffic density, which is by definition more dangerous than low density.

-Eric

4 posted on 04/08/2005 6:33:19 AM PDT by E Rocc (WPPFF, 2000 revision.)
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To: thoughtomator
To tell the truth though, I am much more annoyed at people who pass on the right than those who fail to do so on the left.

Isn't that thre same thing?

5 posted on 04/08/2005 6:36:01 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"We should have our police catching all the offenders of speeding," Lynn pleaded on the Senate floor.

Talk about misplaced panic...
At least one thing we can say about the speeders is most are competent drivers! Can't say the same for the deliberate obstructionists of the #1 lane.

Wish we had this law in California.

6 posted on 04/08/2005 6:36:25 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Rules of the Road Part I

1. Driver in front of you whom you can't pass = Stupid SOB.

2. Driver behind you wanting to pass = Crazy Bastard.

7 posted on 04/08/2005 6:37:18 AM PDT by N. Theknow (DUmmies: So low on the food chain they have plankton bites on their butts.)
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To: thoughtomator

When I took my first Florida driving test years ago, it was the rule.
I don't know why they are passing more laws instead of enforcing the ones they have already, if that rule is in fact law and still exists.


9 posted on 04/08/2005 6:38:03 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

This law makes a lot of sense to me, but be prepared for FR's own left lane vigilantes to start spamming the thread with, "If I'm going the speed limit, I should be able to drive in whatever lane I want to! Why should I let other people break the law?"


10 posted on 04/08/2005 6:38:25 AM PDT by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: N. Theknow

Bumper sticker: "Don't tailgate me; I drive like you!"


11 posted on 04/08/2005 6:39:35 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: thoughtomator
I thought it was a basic rule of the road that if you're not passing, you move out of the passing lane.

Always has been, and it's universally ignored. And it will continue to be ignored until a penalty is attached.

After 100 years, maybe we should try something different. I will grant you that the dumbell who approaches at 100 mph and passes on the right before you have a chance to move over should be shot, beaten, hanged, drawn and quartered and fined.

12 posted on 04/08/2005 6:40:28 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: finnman69

No, a driver can see a car passing on the left more easily than one on the right, since you sit in the left side of the car. A left-lane slowpoke can slow you down, but at least you can see him. A right-lane passer risks an accident every time he does so, since he comes right out of one's blind spot, against the rules of the road.


13 posted on 04/08/2005 6:40:30 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: Publius6961

It's funny, but I have noticed more people respecting left-lane passing rules in the past few years, at least in the New York metro area.


14 posted on 04/08/2005 6:41:20 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
Good Grief!

Wanna make a few extra bucks as the insane Road Rage poster boy?
By the way, do you support the proposed law?

15 posted on 04/08/2005 6:45:12 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

This is a terrible idea, absolutely horrible. First off, regardless of age, the average speed in FloriDUH is 20 MPH above the posted limit. And, God help you if you get in the way of a 19 year-old with a souped up Honda and a muffler that sounds like a hive of bees farting.

But, what makes it worse is that the citizens of FloriDUH PAID for 4 or more lanes to be able to use them to increase traffic flow and decrease congestion. What this law will do is increase the number of road rage incidents by increasing the amount of traffic in the right-hand lane(s) which already have a restriction on them that if a police or emergency vehicle is on the side of the road, you are required to vacate the adjacent lane in order to pass the emergency vehicle. So, what happens if you are toodling along in the right hand lane obeying the law and you happen upon an emergency vehicle on the side of the road? You move into the left lane, as the law requires, and suddenly find yourself getting a ticket for obeying the law!! Why is it that I have an image of Rod Serling wishing he had dreamed this one up for the Twilight Zone before he died!!??

The question becomes a legalistic nightmare for motorists AND cops. On the one hand, the cops are supposed to enforce the speed limits but, based on this law, they must selectively ignore the speed limit and ticket the person obeying the law but occupying the left lane.

Without a doubt, FloriDUH is rapidly becoming one of the stupidest states in America and idiotic laws like this is the reason why. The new state slogan should be: "Refining Stupidity to an Art Form".

Hopefully, Jeb will exercise a little common sense and veto this POC legislation when it comes to his desk.

But, then, if Greer issues a court order preventing him from vetoing it, he'll have no choice but to sign, won't he?


16 posted on 04/08/2005 6:52:26 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

My leftist sister is a die-hard, left-lane vigilante. She loves to plant herself there doing 55 because she believes that no one needs to go faster than that.

If she gets one of these tickets, I'm gonna bronze the dang thing and hang it on my wall!


18 posted on 04/08/2005 6:59:58 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: DustyMoment
...and a muffler that sounds like a hive of bees farting.

LOL at this one! Never heard the sound those mufflers make described so accurately.

19 posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:32 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

BUMP for place


20 posted on 04/08/2005 7:01:59 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me...Philippians 4:13)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
SIGNS YOU MIGHT BE AN AGGRESSIVE DRIVER...

Well, I admit that I am a "passive-aggressive" driver. I once drove on I-80 from Sacramento to Reno the entire 100 miles in the fast lane. Never moved to the right once. Why?? Just because I wanted to. It was a lot of fun. But although I know it was not the right thing to do, I may have saved some lives. Because on more than one occasion I have been passed by someone going 100 mph on the same road. When I finally catch up to them, they didn't make a curve on the downslope of Donner Summit, and were through the guard rail, off the cliff, and..dead.

21 posted on 04/08/2005 7:02:20 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
And you're paying a lot less for that gas than I am in NYC!
And you don't even have to pump it yourself.

And on a humorous note, one of the local news stations, a few years back, did a story on road rage and they got into the left lane and drove at 55 mph ("the maximum speed allowed by law") to judge the other drivers' reactions to them. I think there was suggested legislation about road rage at the time.

It hadn't occured to anyone in the story that even though they were going at the speed limit, they were breaking the law for being in the passing lane and not keeping up with the flow of traffic! (on I-78, IIRC).

TS

22 posted on 04/08/2005 7:02:29 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Here he comes, here comes Speed Racer. He's a demon on wheels!)
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To: thoughtomator

I wouldn't pass on the right if you would get out of the left lane!


23 posted on 04/08/2005 7:03:39 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: thoughtomator
"It's funny, but I have noticed more people respecting left-lane passing rules in the past few years, at least in the New York metro area."

Do you mean the slower car pulling over into the right lane? In NY? Well, yeah, maybe, just maybe when there's an H1 Hummer with 28 "off road" lights all ablaze following 8 inches behind their rear bumper! Those of us who drive saner vehicles don't usually get that sort of response from the slow drivers. (Unless we follow right behind the Hummer.....)

24 posted on 04/08/2005 7:04:08 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: FormerLib
My leftist sister is a die-hard, left-lane vigilante. She loves to plant herself there doing 55 because she believes that no one needs to go faster than that.

Tell ya what you can do to break your sister of this: Make her drive between Ft. Worth and El Paso on I-20 about 10 times. If that doesn't cure her, nothing will.

West Texas was what they were talking about when they came up with the phrase "Miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles!"
25 posted on 04/08/2005 7:04:27 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: thoughtomator

If everyone stays out of the left lane, no one will have to pass on the right.


26 posted on 04/08/2005 7:05:19 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
IF your going to slow in the fast lane of course I tailgate you, flash my lights and honk. Anything that will piss the freaking hell outa you and make you nervous and scared.

Nice. Who's the vigilante, again?
27 posted on 04/08/2005 7:07:17 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Geez bub.......a little tense there aren't ya? Tailgate me and you'll have a tailpipe up your nose. And the nice thing about it is you'll be liable for the rear end accident. I have REAL good brakes. Com'on just a little closer, baby needs a new car.


28 posted on 04/08/2005 7:10:19 AM PDT by jumperbones (The dreams of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
2) People going less then 5mph over the speed limit in the passing lane (so with a 65pmh speed limit, people going under 70)

C'mon, you know darn well that wouldn't be fast enough for you. I've been doing 80 in the passing lane, passing cars, and STILL had people on my bumper, upset that I don't break into the line of traffic on my right just to let THEM pass.
29 posted on 04/08/2005 7:11:03 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: beezdotcom

You still need to get over. On 95 that's about what people are going in the passing lane!

On this issue, like smoking, I'm a libertarian. If someone wants to go 100, I get over and let them. And I really want someone going 75 to get over and let me do 80.


30 posted on 04/08/2005 7:13:15 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: FormerLib
If she gets one of these tickets, I'm gonna bronze the dang thing and hang it on my wall!

Dream on...
What makes you think she will even allow you to find out about it?
This is pretty funny though.

I remember my (French) sister in law came to visit California once for a month and managed to get 5 citations during that period. The last one, for speeding, I copied and blew up to poster size. When she was stopped and asked if she knew why she had been stopped she calmly answered, "I'm sure you're going to tell me"...

31 posted on 04/08/2005 7:16:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Bumper sticker II - "Drive like you stole it"


32 posted on 04/08/2005 7:17:43 AM PDT by byteback
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Translation: I should be allowed to drive as fast as I want, because I'm angrier than everyone else!


33 posted on 04/08/2005 7:18:26 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: pa mom
On this issue, like smoking, I'm a libertarian. If someone wants to go 100, I get over and let them. And I really want someone going 75 to get over and let me do 80.

Look at it this way. If you're selfish enough to want me, who is already passing cars, to get over so that YOU can pass cars FASTER, then you should assume that _I_ am selfish enough to not want to slow down and squeeze back into the slower right lane just for YOUR convenience.

When we're BOTH breaking the law, I don't think there are many "principles" left to lean on, libertarianism notwithstanding.
34 posted on 04/08/2005 7:19:34 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: beezdotcom

All I know is I get over for those faster than me, even if I'm going with the wind! I figure those folks are going to weave in and out if we don't let them through.

I don't weave, but will pass on the right if folks don't get over after a bit. I have also found, on three lane highways, the slow lane is the best one for cruising in! No one there.


35 posted on 04/08/2005 7:21:48 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: dpa5923; pa mom

I'm talking about folks who use the right lane to pass on a 3- or 4-lane highway, where the left lane is passable. I hate it when I'm cruising at 70 in the middle or center-right lane and somebody guns their vehicle past me on the right.


36 posted on 04/08/2005 7:22:52 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: beezdotcom
I've been doing 80 in the passing lane, passing cars, and STILL had people on my bumper, upset that I don't break into the line of traffic on my right just to let THEM pass.

Don't know where you drive, but here on I-5, often there is nowhere to "break into", in sections with just two lanes, and with a solid line of big rigs tailgaing each other as far as the eye can see in the "slow" lane. Makes exiting and merging onto I-5 really exciting.

37 posted on 04/08/2005 7:24:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: pa mom
All I know is I get over for those faster than me, even if I'm going with the wind!

So will I, IF the right lane is open. But as I indicated in my initial scenario, many's the time where the right lane is congested, I'm PASSING in the left, and some nutjob is STILL on my bumper, flashing lights, wanting me to squeeze right - and thereby slow down for their convenience.

I won't do it, I'll die on that hill, and may my family get a huge settlement.
38 posted on 04/08/2005 7:24:44 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
What a great law. I hope they enforce it. As to the others that are complaining about moving to the left lane to avoid emergency vehicles or whatever...did you miss the part of the article where they stated there were obvious exceptions such as hydroplaning, debris, etc? What is the problem with making a law to move people out of the passing lane? I think they should extend it and if you are in the right lane on a 3+ lane highway/Interstate within 1/4 mile of an on or off ramp and are not intending to use it, you should be ticketed as well. This law would also help emergency vehicles in congested traffic areas by designating one lane (the left) that no one would be in so they can get to the accident causing the congestion. Could be the difference between someone bleeding out and getting timely medical attention.

And for all you "Left-Lane vigilantes"...you do nothing to help any traffic situations. All you do is piss someone off that is trying to get somewhere in a hurry, most of the time the person then executes an more dangerous maneuver to get around you than if you had just let them go. Besides, maybe that guy behind you got a call from his wife that she is going into labor and he needs to get home NOW. You don't know the person's situation behind you, let them pass. It's common courtesy and to think that you are so superior to others that you will impose your will regardless of the consequences is ridiculous.
39 posted on 04/08/2005 7:25:14 AM PDT by KurtAZ (So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won't get away)
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To: thoughtomator

Have you noticed how many of those are guys 30-40 in a newish Taurus with a cell phone glued to their ear? (Agh! Another pet peeve.) I think they must be salesmen who are on the roads so much they feel they own them. I could almost feel sorry for them if they didn't annoy me so much!

Agree, passing on the right is dangerous and obnoxious. That's why I get so annoyed with those who don't get over.


40 posted on 04/08/2005 7:26:22 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Publius6961
Don't know where you drive, but here on I-5, often there is nowhere to "break into",

Exactly. Why cause a wreck just to let somebody else pass FASTER than I'm PASSING? (And I _AM_ passing...)
41 posted on 04/08/2005 7:26:38 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: thoughtomator
I thought it was a basic rule of the road that if you're not passing, you move out of the passing lane. To tell the truth though, I am much more annoyed at people who pass on the right than those who fail to do so on the left.

LOL...

That's a product of a driving system w/o any order to it. It's funny you say that, I often drive in the D.C. area and up I-95 to the north and find that the far right lane is the most vacant and what the left lane should be.

It's long overdue getting laws like this passed. The next step is to enforce them. Far too many routine motorists out there seem to think they have a badge and the authority to decide how fast everyone else drives. In their eyes, it's OK to go a little faster than the speed limit, but only as fast over as they're going.

The first thing I look for on those cars is a Kerry bumper sticker.

42 posted on 04/08/2005 7:27:03 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: KurtAZ
It's common courtesy and to think that you are so superior to others

A common trait of the passers, too, don't forget...
43 posted on 04/08/2005 7:27:39 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: RebelBanker
"If I'm going the speed limit, I should be able to drive in whatever lane I want to! Why should I let other people break the law?"

That's one of the problems here in FL. Some older people feel morally obligated to go the speed limit in the left lane and block people from passing. What you say is their logic. If you are going the speed limit, you can't pass. Since it's against the law to speed, you should not be trying to pass. The law has been on the books for years. It's called obstructing traffic, even if you are doing the speed limit. I know becasue an older acquantance did get a ticket about 8 yeras ago for doing that on I-4. The state trooper was not amused.

44 posted on 04/08/2005 7:29:26 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: FormerLib
>>My leftist sister is a die-hard, left-lane vigilante. She loves to plant herself there doing 55 because she believes that no one needs to go faster than that. <<

As she is pacing the guy in the right lane, and the car behind her is desperately trying to get to the hospital because someone onboard is experiencing a seizure, your relative should be very proud.

Had this happen and the moron in the left lane saw me but refused to move over.
45 posted on 04/08/2005 7:29:31 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Fruitbat

The speed limits are another thing that needs to be addressed... on most highways, if you're traveling at the speed limit, you are an obstruction on the road.


46 posted on 04/08/2005 7:29:38 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: Publius6961
What makes you think she will even allow you to find out about it?

Because she's a leftist and will be howling for weeks over the injustice of it all. She really, really believes that she's serving the greater good by preventing others from driving too fast, regardless of what any law or common sense might dictate.

And yes, she does support banning all civilian firearms...how'd you know?

47 posted on 04/08/2005 7:29:47 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: beezdotcom

Do you have three or two lane highways by you? I'm thinking mostly of three lane, where the middle guys need to get over the same way the lefties do. In a two lane scenario, that's not an option.

95 through NC is two lane all the way and back up something fierce. If there's a truck in the right, EVERYONE is passing. No good solution there but get over asap, I suppose.


48 posted on 04/08/2005 7:30:13 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
IF your going to slow in the fast lane of course I tailgate you, flash my lights and honk. Anything that will piss the freaking hell outa you and make you nervous and scared. Wanna slow some more? Thats fine, with me, I can hold the horn down the whole time, we can get out, you can curse at me, but ill laugh, laugh at helplessly pathetic you are that you can't comprehend the passing lane/slow lane order, and think that you are so important that your slow idiotic self can dictate the lives of everyone on that road.

....what a mean attitude!....and your a CATHOLIC???????

.....shame on you!

49 posted on 04/08/2005 7:30:58 AM PDT by SweetCaroline (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me...Philippians 4:13)
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To: FormerLib

So glad she's out there keeping me safe! Now I won't get shot or get in a car accident. ;)


50 posted on 04/08/2005 7:31:40 AM PDT by pa mom
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