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Cardinal Bernard Law to help elect new Pope.
Voice of America ^ | 4/5/2005

Posted on 04/08/2005 2:56:33 PM PDT by cowtowney

Cardinal Bernard Law The Vatican has granted a prominent role in the Pope's funeral rituals to a U.S. cardinal who was forced to resign amid accusations that he protected sexually-abusive priests.

Cardinal Bernard Law, the former archbishop of Boston, will celebrate Mass on one of the nine days of mourning for Pope John Paul II.

Some American Catholics feel this privilege represents the Vatican's lack of recognition of the abuse scandal that rocked the U.S. Catholic Church.

Cardinal Law resigned from his Boston post in 2002, when it became known that his archdiocese simply transferred priests who had been accused of abuse to other parishes.

Last year, Cardinal Law was granted a post at one of the main basilicas in Rome. It is through this position that he was given a role in the Pope's funeral masses.

He will have also have a say in the selection of the next pope


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abusivepriests; bashing; bernardlaw; catholicchurch; childabuse; children; nextpopee; pope; popejohnpaulii; priests; sexabuse
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This drives me crazy. The Church has got to get rid of these creeps. Put his butt in jail. It's not enough to call it a crime, he has to pay the time.
1 posted on 04/08/2005 2:56:34 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney

Can sinners be forgiven?


2 posted on 04/08/2005 3:01:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cowtowney

I am in complete agreement. I cringed when I saw him on TV today- and wondered if he's truly grasped the significance of his actions (and lack of).


3 posted on 04/08/2005 3:01:43 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: cowtowney

Thus, no sensitivity to those who were hurt, exalting someone of this calibre, leaves room for questions to the legitimacy of the understanding how DEEP this will affect those who had hoped for some truth and justice.


4 posted on 04/08/2005 3:02:03 PM PDT by rovenstinez (.)
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To: cowtowney

I agree.

The fact that Law is being allowed to pick the new Pope is unseemly.

It does give the appearance that the Church doesn't care one bit about this issue...unless it affects them economically.

Though Cardinal Law was never accused of sex abuse himself, his action bring disrepute to the Church just as much.


5 posted on 04/08/2005 3:02:30 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

Law. One vote of 116. No one should worry yet...


6 posted on 04/08/2005 3:05:47 PM PDT by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: Salvation
Can sinners be forgiven?

Only if they repent. There is no forgiveness for unrepentant, willful sins

7 posted on 04/08/2005 3:06:50 PM PDT by lupie
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To: Salvation
Perhaps...if they are repentant.

Also, sinners like Law should be removed from their position.

9 posted on 04/08/2005 3:09:00 PM PDT by July20
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To: cowtowney

Don't flame me here, but my first thought when I read the article was that he would name Michael Jackson, Pope!!!

Sorry, I know that is in bad taste, but so is having Law help name the next Pope!


10 posted on 04/08/2005 3:10:01 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: BigEdLB

Law will give his vote to the one who most wants to cover up the pedophile problem. That's a no-brainer.


11 posted on 04/08/2005 3:10:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BigEdLB

unless they elect him Pope... let's face it (and this comment may not be popular with Catholics), but John Paul II was a saintly figure... but many past Popes have been quite vile and evil. There is no guarantee that JPII's replacement will be any good.


12 posted on 04/08/2005 3:10:59 PM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: LightCrusader

I hope you're being facetious. This isn't anti-Catholic bigotry. Law belonged in jail. Period. Everyone on earth will face a higher authority eventually, but that doesn't make him or anyone else exempt from our laws.

I'm Catholic, and frankly embarrassed that Law and Mahoney (our local cardinal) will have a vote. I only take solace in the fact that they represent less than 2% of the vote, so they won't swing it given the 2/3 majority required.


13 posted on 04/08/2005 3:15:33 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: Salvation

Has he shown contrition for his sins?


14 posted on 04/08/2005 3:16:00 PM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: LightCrusader

"As far as "putting his butt in jail", keep in mind that the Church answers to a Higher Law than secular society."

Whlie they do ALSO answer to a higher authority, that doesn't mean they are above civil law.

Cardinal Law should be rotting in jail right now, for allowing those gay pedophiles to attack the children of Boston. And, as much as I hate to agree with Clinton, the Pope does leave a "mixed legacy" for his failure to crack down on pedophilia (which has proven to be widespread in many dioceses across the world.)


15 posted on 04/08/2005 3:18:06 PM PDT by nj26
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To: cowtowney

The burial of Pius XII was to be the symbol for the begin of of satan's rule over the catholic church.


16 posted on 04/08/2005 3:18:58 PM PDT by Truth666 (May the HOLY SPIRIT have mercy on the World!)
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To: LightCrusader

"More anti-Catholic bigotry"

Gimme a break. I'm pro-Catholic. You have to clean house to make it stronger, not cover this stuff up. And you have to show your faithful that you are cleaning it up. The Pope called it a crime. That makes Law a criminal.

"Handled it internally"

What a joke! He's in Rome electing the next Pope. Is that "handling it"?


17 posted on 04/08/2005 3:26:30 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: July20; LightCrusader
"Also, sinners like Law should be removed from their position."

Cardinal Law condoned and facilitated the rape of children. He did this for years.

John Paul II transferred Cardinal Law to a position of responsibility in Rome. Kicking the culprit upstairs hardly constitutes "handling it internally."

This is the black spot on John Paul II's 26 year pontificate.

18 posted on 04/08/2005 3:30:32 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Truth666
I hope you don't mind but I have a personal question about your screen name, and I am not being argumentative. However, I wonder why you use the "666" symbol of the devil with your name? It perplexes me considering the interesting comments you make and you appear to be a very spiritual and thoughtful person. Even your tag line is quite contradictory. Your home page reflects strong conservative and moral values. Perhaps this is something known to others who have been here for many years and I am missing some other intended meaning/sarcasm?

You can reply privately if you prefer. I just hate to see that number written because the devil loves the recognition, whether it is for a positive or negative reason. Please, don't take any offense, it is just my curiosity.

20 posted on 04/08/2005 3:39:28 PM PDT by CitizenM ("Rise, let us be on our way" - Pope John Paul, II (noted in Ratzinger's Homily@ PJPII's Requiem))
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To: billorites

It's all so embarrasing... and wrong.


21 posted on 04/08/2005 3:41:30 PM PDT by floridavoter2
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To: Salvation
Can sinners be forgiven?

He didn't stay around long enough to ask the raped children for their forgivness.

22 posted on 04/08/2005 4:03:59 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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To: CitizenM

the devil hates to see the truth exposing his symbol


23 posted on 04/08/2005 4:11:01 PM PDT by Truth666 (May the HOLY SPIRIT have mercy on the World!)
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To: billorites
This is the black spot on John Paul II's 26 year pontificate

That and not supporting Bush in the Iraq War.

24 posted on 04/08/2005 4:13:12 PM PDT by July20
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To: Salvation
Can sinners be forgiven?

Yes, but only God can forgive sin, man cannot, nor do you need a mere man nor a group to accomplish this.

You approach the throne of grace with boldness to seek mercy and receive grace through the obedience of Jesus Christ by the Holy Sprit and none other!

Neither do you need nor would it be helpful nor possible to ask anyone else(already in heaven)to intercede with Christ in your behalf!

25 posted on 04/08/2005 5:01:05 PM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: LightCrusader

Good grief. Everytime someone dare question the church...people always stand up and call it bigotry. Give it a rest. Just because someone has an opinion on a man who allowed people to molest children does not mean it is bigotry. I call it morality.


26 posted on 04/08/2005 5:11:26 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: July20
"That and not supporting Bush in the Iraq War."

I can make a principled argument for not supporting the invasion of Iraq.

27 posted on 04/08/2005 5:23:25 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

Many people can, according to their principles, including the Pope and the leftists. I appreciate those who supported Bush.


28 posted on 04/08/2005 6:17:28 PM PDT by July20
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To: July20
"I appreciate those who supported Bush."

Me too.

I wasn't too keen on it, but I think he's been proven right this week, particularly.

29 posted on 04/08/2005 6:25:30 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Cousin Eddie; nj26

How exacty is the Catholic church going to put Law in jail?


I think the DA is supposed to press charges. Not the Church.


30 posted on 04/08/2005 6:42:17 PM PDT by stands2reason (When in doubt, err on the side of life.)
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To: Salvation
Can sinners be forgiven?

Of course sinners can be forgiven but they have to truly repent: "Go and sin no more". Wish I knew how a cardinal could be defrocked. They should give him a job cleaning floors with a toothbrush in a monastery so he could learn humility...Or better yet a servant in a home for abused children so he could directly look into the eyes of devastation.

31 posted on 04/08/2005 8:38:36 PM PDT by lainde
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To: lainde

Excellent insight and advice!


32 posted on 04/09/2005 5:28:38 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: LightCrusader

Nonsense.


33 posted on 04/09/2005 5:31:59 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: cowtowney
Cardinal Bernard Law, the former archbishop of Boston, will celebrate Mass on one of the nine days of mourning for Pope John Paul II.

Some American Catholics feel this privilege represents the Vatican's lack of recognition of the abuse scandal that rocked the U.S. Catholic Church.

Cardinal Law resigned from his Boston post in 2002, when it became known that his archdiocese simply transferred priests who had been accused of abuse to other parishes.

Last year, Cardinal Law was granted a post at one of the main basilicas in Rome.

It is through this position that he was given a role in the Pope's funeral masses.

He will have also have a say in the selection of the next pope.

Could it be said that these decisions warrant a second look at many other actions in which the church circumvented the Word of God by interpretiing the Word to fit Catholic Dogma?

34 posted on 04/09/2005 5:37:26 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: cowtowney
It's really disgraceful that this guy wasn't sent packing to monastery where he would live out the rest of his days doing penance, like breaking rocks in the hot sun. Absolutely, positively disgraceful that much remains the same for this man. That he's safely out of the reach of the arm of American law.

This guy is worse than the pederasts, if that's possible. The pederasts, say what you will, are diseased. That doesn't mean I don't hold them responsible for their acts, but they're basically carnal, notwithstanding all that disorders them. Law allowed the pederasts to continue to abuse kids, to perpetuate and increase the number of victims. He calculated, he premeditated the moves from one Parish to another.

It's not about forgivenss, it's about calling this guy to account for his deeds, not rewarding him with a vote on who the next Pope will be. For the third time, absolutely, positively DISGRACEFUL, and really, really embarassing.

35 posted on 04/09/2005 5:49:53 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: stands2reason

"How exactly is the Catholic church going to put Law in jail?"

Well, the Church shipped him off to Rome before the state of Massachusetts had a chance to do anything.

It is a disgrace that he retains his elevated position.


36 posted on 04/09/2005 7:21:34 AM PDT by nj26
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To: lupie
Only if they repent. There is no forgiveness for unrepentant, willful sins

True enough. That's why we are not to make judgments. Man sees only with the eyes. God sees what is in a man's heart.

37 posted on 04/09/2005 7:28:11 AM PDT by Renatus (C)
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To: Cousin Eddie

That's providing that the 2/3 (plus 1, I thought?) majority can be reached.

If after two weeks there's no 2/3 agreement it goes to a simple majority, I believe.


38 posted on 04/09/2005 7:34:54 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl

Cunning as serpents; innocent as doves.
Not throwing his lot in with the serpents seems to have been Cardinal Law’s failure.

In my time had have had some past dealings with Catholic bureaucracies, most notably an American-based, international catholic media apostolate. While one is given the impression that the Mother Superior is in charge, she is only as informed of the day to day operations as her associates want her to be. The leader has the “vision”, sees the forest so to speak, but it’s the underlings who must tend to the trees. Sometimes we are only as good as those under us. Many, many priests who served under Cardinal Law betrayed him. And these priests had been raised and long participated in the entrenched corrupt bureaucracy of the Archdiocese of Boston. Note how New York, not Boston or even the mother-diocese of Baltimore has been the moral authority in America.

An aside: as a Nutmegger living below the Mason-Dixon, I’ve seen that the fervent faith of Catholics in the Bible Belt which is nothing like the inbred, Easter-Christmas Cultural Catholicism of the Northeast.

Incidentally, Law is not a native Irish son of Bean Town. Cardinal law was born in Mexico to the son of a US Army Colonel. Later he graduated from high school in the US Virgin Islands before attending Harvard. As a newly ordained priest he was assigned to the Diocese of Natchez-Jackson during the height of the Civil Rights era. In the 60’s he was appointed bishop of the still relatively new diocese of Springfield-Cape Girardeau.

All those who think Law’s banishment to Rome will change anything in the Archdiocese of Boston are mistaken. The one man who now thoroughly grasps what is “wrong”…who now see’s “face to face” the darkness that is in Archdiocese has been exiled to Rome. Those who want Cardinal Law excommunicated or retired are really saying they want to preserve the status quo in Boston. They want the homosexuality and pedophilia to continue.

Nothing will change Archbishop O’Malley because all of the players…all of the Chancellery officers, all the auxiliary bishops, and all of the high-ranking priests who have participated in or collaborated in the real cover-up are still in office. Perhaps more scary still, some of those Aux. Bishops formerly under Law have now been named bishops of other dioceses.

Remember, Boston has consistently voted the Kennedy’s and Kerry’s back into office every four years.
Again, I suggest massnews.com to get the whole story behind what is happening in Boston.


39 posted on 04/09/2005 8:38:09 AM PDT by statsgirl (!Viva El Papa!)
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To: ambrose
Fortunately, we have not had any..."vile" popes for a good while.

For a long time the image of popes was built on the "Renaissance popes" - who were bad enough in different ways to provoke the Protestant revolt, alas. But since the Counter Reformation most have been devout men, flawed (as all men are) in different ways and degrees. None of the "papabili" are Bogias or Medicis.

On the other hand, Pope John Paul II was clearly a cut above, one of the very best popes the Church has ever had. It may be unreasonable to expect the next one to be as good as he is...but given the challenges that face the Church, he will still need to be a a very capable and devout man.

40 posted on 04/09/2005 8:59:58 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Renatus
True enough. That's why we are not to make judgments. Man sees only with the eyes. God sees what is in a man's heart.

Yes. But we also can tell by their fruits. If they show no signs of repentance and continue on in the sin, then we know there was no true and Godly repentance. On the other hand, if they do show signs of repentance, we still cannot know their heart on that matter much of the time. Sometimes though it is obvious and the Spirit will witness to us. But it is wrong to judge their hearts because that belongs to the Lord. We can just know that in the end, we each will stand in front of the Lord God and be accountable for each of our thoughts, words, and deeds. And that should be a most humbling Truth to each.

41 posted on 04/09/2005 9:04:09 AM PDT by lupie
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To: statsgirl
Many, many priests who served under Cardinal Law betrayed him. And these priests had been raised and long participated in the entrenched corrupt bureaucracy of the Archdiocese of Boston.

That may be true, but I'm not sure it negates my point. I'm not sure what you're getting at, really.

Did Law move around pederasts, or didn't he? Are you saying that whatever priests he moved around, he was led to believe that their move was necessitated by something other than pederasty? That he was in the dark about all of it, completely duped? Not trying to be confrontational, but that strains credulity. Still, if he's an innocent here, a dove, we all should know that. What's more, I appreciate being corrected when I'm wrong.

Note how New York, not Boston or even the mother-diocese of Baltimore has been the moral authority in America.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. And, speaking for myself, I never looked to Cardinal O'Connor or Cardinal Egan for the finer points on a Holy and Moral life. Not saying they were or are bad men, just saying I never saw either one as a moral 'authority.'

42 posted on 04/09/2005 10:16:35 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: nj26

ARe you saying that the DA only presses charges on people when they're in the country? That doesn't make any sense.




43 posted on 04/09/2005 2:35:42 PM PDT by stands2reason (When in doubt, err on the side of life.)
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To: cowtowney

The greatest failing of John Paul II was his lack of compassion for the little boys abused by priests with the tacit permission of the Catholic hierarchy and no action on his part.

The Pope just "swept under the rug" Cardinal Law's permissive handling of the pedophiles who were priests. Sort of makes you wonder if Law is a pedophile himself and just protecting his own.


44 posted on 04/09/2005 2:51:54 PM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: stands2reason

Who said that the Catholic Chuch should put him in jail?

Of course the Boston legal authorities should have prosecuted him, but there was a sweatheart deal to wisk him out of the country in return for no prosecution.


45 posted on 04/09/2005 4:40:03 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: AlbionGirl

Very true. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

I have a good feeling that it won't go more than a few days.


46 posted on 04/09/2005 4:41:34 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: The Iguana

well, at least we haven't seen anything like this for a long while:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaver_Synod


47 posted on 04/09/2005 5:31:22 PM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: Cousin Eddie
ut there was a sweatheart deal to wisk him out of the country in return for no prosecution.

Source?

48 posted on 04/09/2005 5:42:01 PM PDT by stands2reason (When in doubt, err on the side of life.)
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To: cowtowney

http://www.foxnews.com/

There's Cardinal Law. Saying mass in Rome.

This makes me sick.


49 posted on 04/10/2005 7:05:39 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney

Well, he's a Cardinal. That's what they do.


50 posted on 04/10/2005 7:10:42 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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