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Grandchildren of smokers at risk
The London Sunday Times ^ | 4/09/05 | Not Listed

Posted on 04/09/2005 8:20:36 PM PDT by paulat

Grandchildren of smokers at risk

NEW research suggests women who smoke while pregnant are putting their grandchildren as well as their children at risk, writes Jonathan Leake. The study suggests that some of the chemicals in smoke can permanently alter the DNA of those exposed to it in ways that can be inherited by smokers’ children, grandchildren and possibly subsequent generations too.

The researchers analysed asthma rates in both the children and grandchildren of women who smoked during pregnancy.

They found the grandchildren of such women had 2.1 times the normal risk of developing asthma. The children of women who smoked in pregnancy were 1.5 times more likely to develop asthma.

Dr Frank Gilliland of the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California said: “These findings indicate smoking could have a long-term impact on a family’s health that has never before been realised.”

In Britain about a quarter of all women smoke, with the proportion rising among younger women.

Gilliland and his colleagues studied 338 children who developed asthma before their fifth birthdays, comparing them with 570 youngsters without the condition.

They found children whose mothers and grandmothers both smoked had the highest risk, with a likelihood of developing asthma 2.6 times higher than normal. The research will be published in Chest, a medical journal.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addiction; asthma; cancersticks; disgustingteethtoo; foolishdeadlyhabit; health; pufflist; smokingkills; tobaccoslaves
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1 posted on 04/09/2005 8:20:36 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat

We have also found that the grandchildren of smokers are 12% more likely to live in a mobile home.

Therefore, smoking causes mobile homes.


2 posted on 04/09/2005 8:22:40 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: paulat

Well, considering how many generations back tobacco use goes, I'd say we're all doomed.


3 posted on 04/09/2005 8:22:52 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: paulat

Yeah, right. Bad science again. I just don't buy this.


4 posted on 04/09/2005 8:23:13 PM PDT by Rightone
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To: paulat

It is patently obvious that female smokers should be put in prison for life, unless they do so while pregnant. These women need to be executed.


5 posted on 04/09/2005 8:23:38 PM PDT by stevem
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To: proxy_user
Therefore, smoking causes mobile homes.

So, by extension, smoking causes tornadoes.

6 posted on 04/09/2005 8:23:55 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: paulat

Oh my God. Even people who have never seen a cigarette are "at risk". We are all gonna die.


7 posted on 04/09/2005 8:24:38 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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To: paulat; SheLion

Good Grief..............

Talk about ridiculous. More kids have asthma now with smoking rates at less than 1/4 of the population - relatively few had asthma back when more than 50% of the population smoked..........and back then women not only smoked while pregnant - they also drank alcohol and caffeine.


8 posted on 04/09/2005 8:28:22 PM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: paulat

The scientists will next find that thinking of thoughcrime will cause your grandchildren to be executed by big brother.

big brother loves you.

(/s)


9 posted on 04/09/2005 8:29:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: paulat

Egads... I think this article is designed to heap guilt upon grandmothers everywhere who were dumb enough to smoke at one time in their lives (me included). I have probably sentenced my two grandchildren to a life as twinkie addicts also. I am happy to say, cigerettes and twinkies are dim memories to me now.


10 posted on 04/09/2005 8:29:30 PM PDT by Cate
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To: Cate

...notice...I posted this with no comment. Thought it would speak for itself.


11 posted on 04/09/2005 8:32:21 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat

Doing the math... every person needs to form a couple, and every couple needs to have 2 offspring. Less than that, the human race shrinks, more and it grows.

Of course survival of a family lineage is similarly affected by not having children, or by having more than 2 kids.

It's just math. I'd believe that smoking affects your future family legacy. So does choosing to stay single and not have any kids. Is that a crime? (I think it is...)


12 posted on 04/09/2005 8:44:00 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

Huh? What on Earth are you talking about? How is it relevant to this story?


13 posted on 04/09/2005 8:47:12 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Gabz

Oh my God. I was just about to turn in and I spotted this piece of "news".

I have 5 healthy kids and 6 healthy grandchildren.

I smoke and they all still love me.

It never ends,does it?


14 posted on 04/09/2005 8:56:53 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: Mears
It never ends,does it?

No it doesn't. And it will not stop until the so-called science writers of the media get off their collective butts (pun intended) and start actually dissecting this "science" instead of just printing press releases verbatim.

15 posted on 04/09/2005 9:00:30 PM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: paulat

If I understood the story, the message is- don't smoke, or your grandkids won't do so well. I'm trying to analyse "So what?" Do we really care if our family tree dies out in 2 generations?

Not that you'd want to have sick grandkids. I'm just thinking in terms of birth numbers, and whether we value our family name surviving.


16 posted on 04/09/2005 9:01:04 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: paulat
They found the grandchildren of such women had 2.1 times the normal risk of developing asthma. The children of women who smoked in pregnancy were 1.5 times more likely to develop asthma.

Asthma is INHERITED. My non smoking Grandmother had it. 4 of her kids had it. I have it. Several of my cousins have it.

17 posted on 04/09/2005 9:04:24 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("If Stabenow were any bigger a roadblock, she could halt traffic on all of I-75.")
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To: Gabz

WAIT A MINUTE.

I'm a smoker. I have no kids.

But they tell me that smoking while pregnant, will hurt my childs health. (OK, I can buy that).

Now, me smoking is going to hurt my grandchildren? Um..show me the science, toots.
I mean, that is just hyresterical bull shit.
And not a shard of evidence.


18 posted on 04/09/2005 9:06:34 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: SteveMcKing

Small birth numbers???????

A majority of the parents of the baby boomers smoked--didn't keep their birth rates down.

Birth rates are down NOW and most of the parents don't smoke.

What's your point?


19 posted on 04/09/2005 9:07:23 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: paulat

After 5000 years of tobacco use it is suddenly obvious that some people smoke tobacco. They and their offspring and even their grandchildren are doomed and will die a slow agonizing death. We should all get under our beds and stay there until the universe has imploded. Once that happens we should all come out from under our beds and be thankful that we are still alive given the fact that the universe doesn't exist anymore. Whew, and I thought giving up cigarettes was hard.


20 posted on 04/09/2005 9:08:36 PM PDT by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: paulat
They might want to check to see what these people use to heat their homes.

Wood burning stoves seem to be a large contributer to asthma. I hadn't realized that until I heard a doctor of FNC talk about it. My nephews suffer from it primarily in the winter months and they do have a wood burning stove in their house.

21 posted on 04/09/2005 9:08:54 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: Happygal
Um..show me the science, toots.

EXACTLY. At best the most they can say is that smoking while pregnant MIGHT hurt the child and they can't even be that strong when referring to grandmothers.

The few people I knew while growing up that had asthma had non-smoking parents. And the majority of kids I see nowadays with it not only have non-smoking parents, they live practically antiseptic lives.

22 posted on 04/09/2005 9:12:37 PM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: Mears

The points you make are very good. Mine are equally true.

The sum total of our discussion is abstract and useless... like this study.


23 posted on 04/09/2005 9:13:00 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing
.........abstract and useless... like this study.

Sums things up quite nicely!

24 posted on 04/09/2005 9:15:26 PM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: paulat
And the demon weed shall curse you unto the third generation.
25 posted on 04/09/2005 10:22:43 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: paulat
Let's say I could get a government grant and tweak the results to say that "experts" cause cancer. Perhaps this is jumping the gun, so to speak, but isn't it now time to ban the so-called "experts"? Shouldn't we declare that second-hand "experts" can put others at risk? Therefore, "experts" should be banned from public places, even though their use is still 'legal'?
26 posted on 04/09/2005 10:27:19 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: paulat
Statistical homeopathy. The weaker the apparent causal link between two correlated phenomena, the stronger the imputed link.

To illustrate, suppose a particular factory uses some chemical which is suspected of causing Syndrome Q. If the incidence of SyQ is much higher among factory workers than among the population at large, that would suggest there might be a causal relationship.

Suppose, however, that the incidence is higher not only among those who actually work in the factory, but also among family members. That would seem to suggest the causal mechanism was so powerful that people didn't even need to work in the factory to be affected.

Now suppose that the incidence was higher not only among the families of factory workers, but also among those who ever visited with the factory workers. That would seem to suggest something more potent still...

Or else it would suggest that perhaps the implied causal relationship doesn't really exist.

27 posted on 04/09/2005 11:13:00 PM PDT by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Gabz

Smoked and drank coffee while pregnant. All 3 kids are alive and well. Youngest is 27. The powers that be need TO LEAVE US ALONE. I'm going to have a cigarette now.


28 posted on 04/09/2005 11:21:03 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Terri..I don't personally know you but I love you.)
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To: SheLion
Do you believe they are trying this again? I know the retro movement is big in america but damn.Does anyone remeber the "scientist/whores" that said the same tihng about lsd in the 60s when they were tryingot scare people away from it they said it broke dna strands so they parents were at risk of passing on birth defects to thier kids.Then in the late 70s and early 80 s all of the "scientist/whores" admitted they faked the results becasue the federal goverment PAYED them to release those results.I am absolutly certian beyond a shadow of a doubt that that is whats going on here.Hell it might even be some ofthe same "scientists/whores" that did the lsd trials in the mid 60s
29 posted on 04/09/2005 11:27:59 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Gabz; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; Cantiloper; metesky; ...
The researchers analysed asthma rates in both the children and grandchildren of women who smoked during pregnancy.

I smoked before, during and after my pregnancy, and my daughter never ever had asthma!

Smoke and the Asthma Epidemic: A Reality Check

They found children whose mothers and grandmothers both smoked had the highest risk, with a likelihood of developing asthma 2.6 times higher than normal. The research will be published in Chest, a medical journal.

My whole family smoked.  There isn't one case of asthma among the lot.

30 posted on 04/10/2005 4:54:20 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: paulat
Grandchildren of smokers at risk

Oh my frickin' G-d.

They gotta be kidding me.

I bet Isaac Newton is at risk from contemporary smokers, too.

31 posted on 04/10/2005 4:56:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Larry Lucido
Therefore, smoking causes mobile homes. So, by extension, smoking causes tornadoes.

Tornados are thought to be related to global warming.

Ergo, smoking causes global warming.

32 posted on 04/10/2005 4:57:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: proxy_user
Therefore, smoking causes mobile homes.

Confusing correlation with causation.
I think owning a mobile home leads to smoking.../sarcasm
33 posted on 04/10/2005 5:02:46 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Lazamataz
GALLERY OF FAMOUS SMOKERS

I doubt if many of the grandchildren of these famous people had asthma!

34 posted on 04/10/2005 5:40:53 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gabz

Hi Gabz. Good to see you.

>> More kids have asthma now with smoking rates at less than 1/4 of the population - relatively few had asthma back when more than 50% of the population smoked <<

Exactly right. The current generation of wimps is raising and even wimpier generation. While we're getting softer, the rest of the world is getting tougher.

If it doesn't change, this country won't fare well in the next world war.


35 posted on 04/10/2005 9:14:04 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Beware of appalachian_dwellers bearing gifts.......or not.)
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To: appalachian_dweller

Scary, isn't it?


36 posted on 04/10/2005 9:20:43 AM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: paulat
Bull Sh!t!
37 posted on 04/10/2005 9:35:07 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

Don't yell at me...yell at the London Sunday Times....


38 posted on 04/10/2005 10:37:57 AM PDT by paulat
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To: Gabz; SheLion

I have a picture of myself with a cigarette in one hand and a scotch in the other---New Years Eve----1962---My second child was born 6 weeks later.

No asthma,no bronchitis,no nothin'. He's a big guy now with kids of his own who are also very healthy.

Decaf coffee was out of the question---I drank gallons of regular and no one told me not to.

I did have to watch my sodium intake,though. Evil stuff,salt!!!!! LOL


39 posted on 04/10/2005 11:46:10 AM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: RasterMaster

Experts cause extreme angst----no one could argue with that theory.


40 posted on 04/10/2005 11:51:11 AM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: paulat
Grandchildren of smokers at risk

They sure are!

However smoking has nothing to do with their demise.....

41 posted on 04/10/2005 12:27:28 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Mears
No asthma,no bronchitis,no nothin'.

The SN's just hate the likes of you!!! ; )

You, my FRiend are a breath of fresh air with your post.

EG

42 posted on 04/10/2005 12:30:15 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: SheLion
I doubt if many of the grandchildren of these famous people had asthma!

I was born with asthma, pneumonia, bronchitis, and whooping cough and spent the first 6 months of my life in an oxygen tent.

Neither of my parents or my four grandparents smoked and before leaving grade school I achieved 2 Presidential physical fitness awards signed by President Nixon.

Nowadays I am convinced that I would have been labeled an invalid and would be deemed unable to be a productive member of society.

43 posted on 04/10/2005 12:37:32 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: SteveMcKing
It's just math. I'd believe that smoking affects your future family legacy. So does choosing to stay single and not have any kids. Is that a crime?

Wow!

I hope your profession isn't related to philosophy.

44 posted on 04/10/2005 12:40:34 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Mears

I'm sure there are pictures of me with a cigarette while pregnant - I sure know there are a bunch of me being in "bars"..........the Legislature was in session, it was an election year, and political fundraisers were all held in the bar/tavern area of local restaurants.........but the beers seen in my hand were non-alcoholic.

I did not drink decaf coffee either - I see no useful purpose for that stuff.........but I had long given up drinking much coffee by the time I was pregnant.

My almost 7yo is healthy as a horse and as stubborn as her mother!!!!


45 posted on 04/10/2005 1:25:07 PM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: SheLion
My mother smoked...neither my brother nor I had/has asthma!

I smoke and my daughter has never had asthma!

Though my maternal grandmother never smoked cigarettes, my maternal grandfather smoked a pipe and cigars...as does my husband.

This whole thing about what others will/DO get because someone else smokes, is beyond stupid!

46 posted on 04/10/2005 2:19:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SteveMcKing

And what "vices" do YOU have, that will kill off/harm your grandchildren?


47 posted on 04/10/2005 2:22:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Gabz

My almost 7yo is healthy as a horse and as stubborn as her mother!!!!




LOL! Talk to me in another 8 years or so!


48 posted on 04/10/2005 4:59:08 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: Mears
LOL! Talk to me in another 8 years or so!

I don't have to talk to you then - I know now - she will be just as stubborn as I was at that age - and just as healthy!!!

49 posted on 04/10/2005 5:17:11 PM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: stevem

Are you genuinely advocating the mass execution of pregnant smokers, or did I miss the sarcasm?


50 posted on 04/10/2005 5:22:09 PM PDT by mysterio
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